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Post by kidsker7 on Aug 25, 2021 9:37:20 GMT -5
I wonder about this one too. Seriously. His seat isn’t even warm. Throw 2020 out. For everyone. He has 2 20 win seasons in 3 years. I watched them beat Florida at Florida last fall. Their season went downhill after Amber Stivrins broke some fingers.
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Post by vbshrink on Aug 25, 2021 9:53:47 GMT -5
Seriously. His seat isn’t even warm. Throw 2020 out. For everyone. He has 2 20 win seasons in 3 years. Do these people look like they care about Georgia volleyball? Every single person I've met from UGA always talks about their football team. By this logic, Jim Iams would still be the coach at UGA.
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Post by jcvball22 on Aug 25, 2021 11:50:51 GMT -5
Do these people look like they care about Georgia volleyball? Every single person I've met from UGA always talks about their football team. By this logic, Jim Iams would still be the coach at UGA. I mean, they did let Joel McCartney stay there for at least 4 years, and he was horrendous....
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Post by vbshrink on Aug 25, 2021 13:03:25 GMT -5
I'm not disagreeing, but your mention of McCartney is actually relevant. He was fired mid-season (so ... 3.5 years?), which isn't something that programs do if they don't care/don't pay attention. But my larger point is that these "it's a football school, no one cares" comments on vb coaches are just lazy. Schools do care; ADs -- especially good ones -- care about the experience of all their student athletes. This is a general point, not a point about UGA, Josh Brooks, or Tom Black, though I do think Brooks is a pretty good AD. His football program is on incredibly solid ground right now, so why wouldn't he be paying attention to other sports?
Though to be fair, I totally get Girlpower's point, as well, that the 2020 season may just be considered a blip. I actually expect UGA to have a pretty decent year this year, and if so, then 2020 will probably be considered irrelevant. If the Dawgs are not very good again this year, though, I am genuinely curious. Not hoping for anything - I think Black is a capable coach. But of all the coaches in the SEC, I think he might be the most vulnerable if UGA has another bad season.
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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 25, 2021 13:09:52 GMT -5
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Post by silversurfer on Aug 25, 2021 14:08:53 GMT -5
I'm not disagreeing, but your mention of McCartney is actually relevant. He was fired mid-season (so ... 3.5 years?), which isn't something that programs do if they don't care/don't pay attention. But my larger point is that these "it's a football school, no one cares" comments on vb coaches are just lazy. Schools do care; ADs -- especially good ones -- care about the experience of all their student athletes. This is a general point, not a point about UGA, Josh Brooks, or Tom Black, though I do think Brooks is a pretty good AD. His football program is on incredibly solid ground right now, so why wouldn't he be paying attention to other sports? Though to be fair, I totally get Girlpower's point, as well, that the 2020 season may just be considered a blip. I actually expect UGA to have a pretty decent year this year, and if so, then 2020 will probably be considered irrelevant. If the Dawgs are not very good again this year, though, I am genuinely curious. Not hoping for anything - I think Black is a capable coach. But of all the coaches in the SEC, I think he might be the most vulnerable if UGA has another bad season. The "it's vb / no one cares" comment has legs, but you're right that that phrase shouldn't be a cover-all for everything. Lots of schools care very much if there's a situation that could make the school / department look bad, or if the state of the program is awful. And we're talking about schools where, yes, football and bball are their first priorities, but that doesn't mean carte blanche for chaos in all the other programs.
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Post by sonic on Aug 27, 2021 18:22:10 GMT -5
What about Matt Ulmer at Oregon? Seriously? They’re ranked in the Top 15 and in 4 seasons he has 2 of the programs 6 Sweet 16 appearances and 1 of 2 Elite 8s…. Ever…. I would say one sweet 16. Not sure 2020/2021 counts. There were not 64 teams in the tournament.
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Post by yoda on Aug 27, 2021 18:34:33 GMT -5
Seriously? They’re ranked in the Top 15 and in 4 seasons he has 2 of the programs 6 Sweet 16 appearances and 1 of 2 Elite 8s…. Ever…. I would say one sweet 16. Not sure 2020/2021 counts. There were not 64 teams in the tournament. I suppose Russ Rose is next after the loss to GT.
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Post by vbshrink on Aug 27, 2021 21:45:30 GMT -5
I would say one sweet 16. Not sure 2020/2021 counts. There were not 64 teams in the tournament. I suppose Russ Rose is next after the loss to GT. #FireRuss 🤣
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Post by sclawman on Aug 28, 2021 16:41:29 GMT -5
I'm not disagreeing, but your mention of McCartney is actually relevant. He was fired mid-season (so ... 3.5 years?), which isn't something that programs do if they don't care/don't pay attention. But my larger point is that these "it's a football school, no one cares" comments on vb coaches are just lazy. Schools do care; ADs -- especially good ones -- care about the experience of all their student athletes. This is a general point, not a point about UGA, Josh Brooks, or Tom Black, though I do think Brooks is a pretty good AD. His football program is on incredibly solid ground right now, so why wouldn't he be paying attention to other sports? Though to be fair, I totally get Girlpower's point, as well, that the 2020 season may just be considered a blip. I actually expect UGA to have a pretty decent year this year, and if so, then 2020 will probably be considered irrelevant. If the Dawgs are not very good again this year, though, I am genuinely curious. Not hoping for anything - I think Black is a capable coach. But of all the coaches in the SEC, I think he might be the most vulnerable if UGA has another bad season. Josh Taylor's making a strong statement for hottest seat in the SEC after the first weekend.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 30, 2021 21:03:29 GMT -5
Posting my opinions... -keep in mind, this is women's volleyball, not men's basketball or football. The majority of the coaches won't have their contract renewed not fired or resigned. Not unless a donor is willing to buy out the contract, no one is being given money to not coach volleyball. -Hot Seat can always turn warm or cold. -contracts will expire unless something happens -just my opinion, I don't think anyone should be fired, I think the following has a warm seat at least. I was hesitant to put Tennessee on the list but given the track record of their AD, championships or bust or self-proclaimed championship or bust. I do think the power 5 coaches will have more difficult time trying to get ahead. Oklahoma and Texas will be 2-4 difficult games for coaches listed below, do they lose a tournament for conference games? Big 12 is the Little 8, can ADs justify those salaries when the tv money is cut in half? Pac-12 Oregon (42-36 last 4 pac12) Colorado (23-37 last 3 pac12) Big 10 Iowa (8-32 last 2, big10) Maryland (19-41 last 3, big10) Michigan St (14-41 last 3, big 10) Michigan (28-25 last 3, big 10) Big12 TCU (14-34 big 12 last 3) Kansas St (22-42 big 12 last 4) Kansas (20-28 big 12 last 3) SEC Georgia (new ad, 36-40 in sec) Arkansas (24-38 in the last three sec seasons) Alabama (11-29 in sec) LSU (25-38 in sec last three) Mississippi St (8-52 in sec) Tennessee (new ad, 21-17 in sec last 2 seasons) WCC Loyola (26-26 in wcc, 1st losing season in 10 years) St Marys (25-28 in wcc last three) Pacific (15-30 in wcc last three) MWC New Mexico Fresno St Nevada BW Long Beach St (24-25 in bw) UCI UC Davis ACC UNC Miami Did you mean to put Oregon St. instead?
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Post by vbnerd on Aug 30, 2021 21:17:05 GMT -5
Big 12 is the Little 8, can ADs justify those salaries when the tv money is cut in half? Heard this the other day - If the Big 12 schools don't happen to figure something out, they'll have to reduce about 1/3 of their payroll. That's department wide, but I wouldn't expect the revenue sports to give up as much as a sport like, say, volleyball.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 30, 2021 21:19:23 GMT -5
Big 12 is the Little 8, can ADs justify those salaries when the tv money is cut in half? Heard this the other day - If the Big 12 schools don't happen to figure something out, they'll have to reduce about 1/3 of their payroll. That's department wide, but I wouldn't expect the revenue sports to give up as much as a sport like, say, volleyball. VB, baseball, and softball are in the crosshairs most likely, as they're pretty well-compensated for sports that don't further the bottom line. Women's BB coaching salaries are the big outlier in terms of pay v. revenue, but the comparison to men's BB is just too stark for them to back off there.
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Post by vergyltantor on Aug 30, 2021 21:35:25 GMT -5
It was interesting that Kelly Sheffield was suggested as a replacement. This was rejected by another poster because he was "ensconced". Kelly was coaching at Dayton at the time.
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Post by vbnerd on Aug 30, 2021 23:20:15 GMT -5
It was interesting that Kelly Sheffield was suggested as a replacement. This was rejected by another poster because he was "ensconced". Kelly was coaching at Dayton at the time. Sheffield had a player die in a plane crash and promised not to leave that team, those players. The last of them graduated in 2013 which is when he went to Wisconsin. He'd had calls from better jobs than Georgia and said "no." Remember when Christie Johnson Lynch was the heir apparent at Nebraska? Ray Bechard was on the hot seat at Kansas? And Matt Peck was the favorite for Mississippi State/Alabama/Iowa and a few others? Things change.
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