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Post by bbg95 on Aug 31, 2021 21:47:08 GMT -5
The college football season has already started, with the most notable result being Nebraska losing to Illinois to drop to 12-21 in the Scott Frost era, but the first full week of play gets underway in the next few days. The top 25 matchups are No. 1 Alabama vs. No. 14 Miami on a neutral field in Atlanta, No. 3 Clemson vs. No. 5 Georgia on a neutral field in Charlotte, No. 12 Wisconsin hosting No. 19 Penn State, No. 18 Iowa hosting No. 17 Indiana, and No. 21 Texas hosting No. 23 Louisiana. Exit question: does Frost get to the end of the season without getting fired, or does he get Kiffined on a tarmac at some point.
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Post by ned3vball on Sept 1, 2021 5:02:53 GMT -5
The college football season has already started, with the most notable result being Nebraska losing to Illinois to drop to 12-21 in the Scott Frost era, but the first full week of play gets underway in the next few days. The top 25 matchups are No. 1 Alabama vs. No. 14 Miami on a neutral field in Atlanta, No. 3 Clemson vs. No. 5 Georgia on a neutral field in Charlotte, No. 12 Wisconsin hosting No. 19 Penn State, No. 18 Iowa hosting No. 17 Indiana, and No. 21 Texas hosting No. 23 Louisiana. Exit question: does Frost get to the end of the season without getting fired, or does he get Kiffined on a tarmac at some point. Buyout is $15 Million after 2021(during as well or more?). $10M after 2022. $2.5M 2023-2026. He probably gets this year, but if things go this way, some big time boosters will scrape together $10M.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 1, 2021 11:18:27 GMT -5
The college football season has already started, with the most notable result being Nebraska losing to Illinois to drop to 12-21 in the Scott Frost era, but the first full week of play gets underway in the next few days. The top 25 matchups are No. 1 Alabama vs. No. 14 Miami on a neutral field in Atlanta, No. 3 Clemson vs. No. 5 Georgia on a neutral field in Charlotte, No. 12 Wisconsin hosting No. 19 Penn State, No. 18 Iowa hosting No. 17 Indiana, and No. 21 Texas hosting No. 23 Louisiana. Exit question: does Frost get to the end of the season without getting fired, or does he get Kiffined on a tarmac at some point. Buyout is $15 Million after 2021(during as well or more?). $10M after 2022. $2.5M 2023-2026. He probably gets this year, but if things go this way, some big time boosters will scrape together $10M. Yeah, I agree about the buyout. If that wasn't an obstacle, I think Frost might have gotten fired already. He's in pre-Devaney territory.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 13:41:48 GMT -5
Buyout is $15 Million after 2021(during as well or more?). $10M after 2022. $2.5M 2023-2026. He probably gets this year, but if things go this way, some big time boosters will scrape together $10M. Yeah, I agree about the buyout. If that wasn't an obstacle, I think Frost might have gotten fired already. He's in pre-Devaney territory. He inherited a crappy situation. This isn't all Frost's making, but they wanted the Big Ten...they got it. Rather than being Top Two in the Big 12 (maybe three), they dropped down the totem poll. Then add to that years of being decent rather than great and in that situation, why would a kid dreaming of the NFL come to the middle of BuFu Nebraska when they can be in the SEC or a big city like Columbus/Ohio State dominating the Big 10?
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 1, 2021 13:47:31 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree about the buyout. If that wasn't an obstacle, I think Frost might have gotten fired already. He's in pre-Devaney territory. He inherited a crappy situation. This isn't all Frost's making, but they wanted the Big Ten...they got it. Rather than being Top Two in the Big 12 (maybe three), they dropped down the totem poll. Then add to that years of being decent rather than great and in that situation, why would a kid dreaming of the NFL come to the middle of BuFu Nebraska when they can be in the SEC or a big city like Columbus/Ohio State dominating the Big 10? While you're right that Frost didn't inherit the best situation, he's made it worse. As for your point about recruiting, it's true that some schools have a natural geographic advantage, but somehow Lincoln Riley gets top talent to come to Norman year after year. And sure, Nebraska's less-than-stellar record since Osborne retired doesn't help, but Nebraska still has a top 10 football brand. The right coach should be able to make it work.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 14:30:49 GMT -5
He inherited a crappy situation. This isn't all Frost's making, but they wanted the Big Ten...they got it. Rather than being Top Two in the Big 12 (maybe three), they dropped down the totem poll. Then add to that years of being decent rather than great and in that situation, why would a kid dreaming of the NFL come to the middle of BuFu Nebraska when they can be in the SEC or a big city like Columbus/Ohio State dominating the Big 10? While you're right that Frost didn't inherit the best situation, he's made it worse. As for your point about recruiting, it's true that some schools have a natural geographic advantage, but somehow Lincoln Riley gets top talent to come to Norman year after year. And sure, Nebraska's less-than-stellar record since Osborne retired doesn't help, but Nebraska still has a top 10 football brand. The right coach should be able to make it work. But it isn't a top 10 brand and hasn't been for a decade or more. As for Norman, I think it is a cow-hick town except it isn't as cold there as Lincoln and it's right next door to Texas. Nebraska as a national power is kaputt. The schools that should scream about being mediocre for years are UCLA and USC. There's no excuse there.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 1, 2021 14:37:45 GMT -5
While you're right that Frost didn't inherit the best situation, he's made it worse. As for your point about recruiting, it's true that some schools have a natural geographic advantage, but somehow Lincoln Riley gets top talent to come to Norman year after year. And sure, Nebraska's less-than-stellar record since Osborne retired doesn't help, but Nebraska still has a top 10 football brand. The right coach should be able to make it work. But it isn't a top 10 brand and hasn't been for a decade or more. As for Norman, I think it is a cow-hick town except it isn't as cold there as Lincoln and it's right next door to Texas. Nebraska as a national power is kaputt. The schools that should scream about being mediocre for years are UCLA and USC. There's no excuse there. Brand is not the same thing as recent performance, which is just one factor and generally not the most important one when it comes to the top brands. History has a lot to do with branding, and Nebraska had a 30-year era of dominance that turned it into one of the top brands in college football. As for USC, that's a top five football brand with great geography, so their fans and alumni absolutely should be upset. UCLA is a basketball school. Edit: Branding is a bit subjective, so maybe I'm giving Nebraska a little too much credit. But even if they aren't a top 10 brand like I think, they're still at least a top 20 brand. There is absolutely no excuse for them to be 12-21 in the Scott Frost era. Mike Riley did significantly better.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 16:12:35 GMT -5
But when was the last year they were actually good? How old were today's recruits at that point? "Brand" further back than that is pretty much irrelevant. Kids go where programs are successful and win--that's why they go to Nebraska for volleyball...and not for basketball, football, etc.
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Post by trojansc on Sept 1, 2021 17:42:21 GMT -5
big opening match for the American Athletic Conference tomorrow....
Boise State at UCF.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 1, 2021 17:56:30 GMT -5
With regard to the branding, I thought this was pretty interesting:
Now, I wouldn't have the schools in this exact order (for example, USC is a top five brand, not 12th, and even as a BYU alumnus, I wouldn't rank them in the top 10--more like 20th), but I actually think his top ~20 schools are correct as the top football brands in the country in some order.
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Post by maplespear on Sept 1, 2021 18:39:56 GMT -5
Glad you started this thread. I like Scott Frost and everyone including me was very excited for him to be our coach. He was an ex player that won 2 NC, had great success at UCF, and was/is well respected by his peers. I'm not sure what's going on but the current QB Adrian Martinez is just not good. Second QB Caffrey left and I thought he was better than Adrian. Not sure what the answer is. Frost's bragging to everyone that his players were working out during Covid when it was illegal is just strange to me. Makes me think his focus needs adjustment.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Sept 1, 2021 18:43:41 GMT -5
With regard to the branding, I thought this was pretty interesting: Now, I wouldn't have the schools in this exact order (for example, USC is a top five brand, not 12th, and even as a BYU alumnus, I wouldn't rank them in the top 10--more like 20th), but I actually think his top ~20 schools are correct as the top football brands in the country in some order. Excellent list…for 1985 (give or take). I’m joking, kinda sorta, but there are definitely some head scratchers.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 2, 2021 20:35:53 GMT -5
Ohio State on upset alert trailing Minnesota 14-10 at halftime. Minnesota missed an open receiver late in the half that would have scored another TD.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 2, 2021 22:36:08 GMT -5
Ohio State comes back to win 45-31.
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Post by trojansc on Sept 2, 2021 23:30:58 GMT -5
UCF was down 21-0 to Boise State but now leads 30-24 and with possession in the 4th. They need to save face for the AAC. Tulsa lost to UC Davis, ECU lost to Appalachian (not too shameful) and South Florida got disgraced by NC State.
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