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Post by vb watcher on Jan 18, 2022 15:18:07 GMT -5
Even if we grew mens vball men would still take womens volleyball jobs. Look at basketball, baseball, softball, soccer and all other sports that both genders. So no that isn’t the way to get more womens coaching jobs. Take a look at coaching data. You are making a lot of assumptions that are incorrect. How do you propose we get more women coaching in the men's game? seems to be working now. dramatic increases in last few years. start off at club level before jumping to D1 was a start. reach out to alumni starters. but like any other profession, whether you agree with personal family structure choices or not, there will always be less represented female because a significant portion would rather forego personal vocational achievement for having children and raising families, within a less impactful vocational role. Like all professions, just as a "friendly old" network can lead to a few proven losers being recycled, "checking all the boxes" can lead to folks being given higher spots without merit. I would argue that makes it even stickier for the chosen coach as well as administration.
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Post by karellen on Jan 18, 2022 15:33:12 GMT -5
Seriously...new thread....please
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Post by yourmom on Jan 18, 2022 17:00:15 GMT -5
It isn’t irresponsible because regardless of the sport, across all sports, all positions, women are pushed out of mens jobs. Even if you made the data sets equal the percentage of women coaching mens volleyball would still be tiny as heck. Quality of job isn’t the topic here. Jobs are. There are many women who are taking part time positions to get into coaching on the womens side, why wouldn’t that also be possible for women on the mens side. There is so many women coaching boys Club, but not at the college level? Why. Because men have such a small amount and they want to keep it for the men. How do you know women have no interest in coaching men. That is a problematic statement that alludes to the reason women aren’t on the mens side is becuase they don’t want to, not that they are pushed out from those positions. Mens volleyball is like all other male sports. It is a closed off club from women and when one or two get hired it is a big deal because it has been closed off for the existence of sports. Women coach boys and men. They just aren’t able to at the college level, not because they don’t to. Even if we grew mens vball men would still take womens volleyball jobs. Look at basketball, baseball, softball, soccer and all other sports that both genders. So no that isn’t the way to get more womens coaching jobs. Take a look at coaching data. You are making a lot of assumptions that are incorrect. Quality of job is part of the equation here, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. I've never heard anyone say that "men have such a small amount and want to keep it for the men." You're speculating and I think you're flat-out wrong. I don't think that women have no interest in coaching men - I think that there are very few jobs in NCAA men's volleyball that could entice a person who has been coaching NCAA women's volleyball: the pay would probably be worse, the funding probably worse, the travel would probably be worse, recruiting is harder, the prestige of the team on campus is probably less (there are a few exceptions: UCLA, BYU, maybe a couple others). Let's say that a volleyball coach is coaching an NCAA men's volleyball team. That coach is also married and has kids. Now, let's say that person gets fired from their job. They don't want to relocate too far away because they have friends and family in the area. Is it more likely that coach is going to be able to find another nearby NCAA coaching job in men's volleyball or in women's volleyball? You think if we look across all sports, because women not coaching in mens sports is a norm and volleyball is a microcosm of all sports that men aren’t keeping women out? It’s a hard pill to swallow I get it. But yes they are. I think also it is interesting that because things are worse on the mens side you don’t think women would be interested in the jobs. A very fascinating take and maybe you should think of why you assume women wouldn’t be interested. With the large amount of women who coach boys club. The losing their job example can happen to men and women. The reality is women don’t have equal opportunity in mens sports to coach. It isn’t bc they aren’t interested or because it is “too hard” which are really interesting takes. Women don’t want to coach mens volleyball because it is just too hard so they stick to womens volleyball. Meanwhile men take bad womens coaching jobs with limited funding in bad locations with no issue. Your comments just perpetuate the idea women don’t want the jobs instead of looking at it as a microscom of sport that gate keeps women from mens jobs.
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Post by yourmom on Jan 18, 2022 17:02:25 GMT -5
I don't think that women have no interest in coaching men - I think that there are very few jobs in NCAA men's volleyball that could entice a person who has been coaching NCAA women's volleyball: the pay would probably be worse, the funding probably worse, the travel would probably be worse, recruiting is harder, the prestige of the team on campus is probably less (there are a few exceptions: UCLA, BYU, maybe a couple others). This is it right here. The average women's job is so much better than the average men's job, even taking into account the fact there are more "elite" men's programs as an overall percentage (because it's such a smaller world). The women have (way) better pay, better schedules, more visibility, and vastly more opportunity for career growth. If you coach in the SEC, ACC, or B1G, you'll play more nationally-televised matches in one year than you will in an entire men's career. You're probably a top-two women's sport at your school compared to an afterthought at most men's programs (BYU and Hawaii, excepted). How many great men's jobs are there? Five? There's probably 50 on the women's side, not even counting all the great spots in D2 and D3. With Tv Now I am watching mens games left and right on espn. We aren’t considering the big conferences bc those are outliers. Think of the small D1-D3, NAIA and JUCO who have similar experiences to the mens teams.
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Post by britney97 on Jan 18, 2022 17:10:17 GMT -5
Think of all the different threads and/or topics this could be in......
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Post by karellen on Jan 18, 2022 17:48:32 GMT -5
I have been making a lot of posts for several years. Is it just me, or are we getting way off topic A LOT more often than previous years? and the discussion of those tangents are going on and on and on a lot more as well....
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Post by ineedajob on Jan 18, 2022 18:14:21 GMT -5
Quality of job is part of the equation here, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. I've never heard anyone say that "men have such a small amount and want to keep it for the men." You're speculating and I think you're flat-out wrong. I don't think that women have no interest in coaching men - I think that there are very few jobs in NCAA men's volleyball that could entice a person who has been coaching NCAA women's volleyball: the pay would probably be worse, the funding probably worse, the travel would probably be worse, recruiting is harder, the prestige of the team on campus is probably less (there are a few exceptions: UCLA, BYU, maybe a couple others). Let's say that a volleyball coach is coaching an NCAA men's volleyball team. That coach is also married and has kids. Now, let's say that person gets fired from their job. They don't want to relocate too far away because they have friends and family in the area. Is it more likely that coach is going to be able to find another nearby NCAA coaching job in men's volleyball or in women's volleyball? You think if we look across all sports, because women not coaching in mens sports is a norm and volleyball is a microcosm of all sports that men aren’t keeping women out? It’s a hard pill to swallow I get it. But yes they are. I think also it is interesting that because things are worse on the mens side you don’t think women would be interested in the jobs. A very fascinating take and maybe you should think of why you assume women wouldn’t be interested. With the large amount of women who coach boys club. The losing their job example can happen to men and women. The reality is women don’t have equal opportunity in mens sports to coach. It isn’t bc they aren’t interested or because it is “too hard” which are really interesting takes. Women don’t want to coach mens volleyball because it is just too hard so they stick to womens volleyball. Meanwhile men take bad womens coaching jobs with limited funding in bad locations with no issue. Your comments just perpetuate the idea women don’t want the jobs instead of looking at it as a microscom of sport that gate keeps women from mens jobs. How kind of you to tell me what I think. And I didn’t say “harder.” I said “worse.” But reading has always been an issue for you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2022 18:17:08 GMT -5
You think if we look across all sports, because women not coaching in mens sports is a norm and volleyball is a microcosm of all sports that men aren’t keeping women out? It’s a hard pill to swallow I get it. But yes they are. I think also it is interesting that because things are worse on the mens side you don’t think women would be interested in the jobs. A very fascinating take and maybe you should think of why you assume women wouldn’t be interested. With the large amount of women who coach boys club. The losing their job example can happen to men and women. The reality is women don’t have equal opportunity in mens sports to coach. It isn’t bc they aren’t interested or because it is “too hard” which are really interesting takes. Women don’t want to coach mens volleyball because it is just too hard so they stick to womens volleyball. Meanwhile men take bad womens coaching jobs with limited funding in bad locations with no issue. Your comments just perpetuate the idea women don’t want the jobs instead of looking at it as a microscom of sport that gate keeps women from mens jobs. How kind of you to tell me what I think. And I didn’t say “harder.” I said “worse.” But reading has always been an issue for you. FYI people are begging you to take this elsewhere
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Post by calvin23 on Jan 18, 2022 18:27:30 GMT -5
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Post by justahick on Jan 18, 2022 18:48:24 GMT -5
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Post by comic on Jan 18, 2022 19:09:42 GMT -5
Use the search button people! This was mentioned 3-4 days ago
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Post by vballguy2001 on Jan 18, 2022 19:20:27 GMT -5
Use the search button people! This was mentioned 3-4 days ago Hey ...at least its job news 😁. This whole man/women in coaching conversation is the 3rd time it has been brought up. Lets see if we can bring it up a 4th or 5th time. There is a whole thread for it. Go debate the topic there. Happy job hunting!
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Post by austintatious on Jan 18, 2022 20:04:11 GMT -5
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Post by nogame11 on Jan 18, 2022 20:58:32 GMT -5
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Post by yourmom on Jan 18, 2022 21:50:48 GMT -5
You think if we look across all sports, because women not coaching in mens sports is a norm and volleyball is a microcosm of all sports that men aren’t keeping women out? It’s a hard pill to swallow I get it. But yes they are. I think also it is interesting that because things are worse on the mens side you don’t think women would be interested in the jobs. A very fascinating take and maybe you should think of why you assume women wouldn’t be interested. With the large amount of women who coach boys club. The losing their job example can happen to men and women. The reality is women don’t have equal opportunity in mens sports to coach. It isn’t bc they aren’t interested or because it is “too hard” which are really interesting takes. Women don’t want to coach mens volleyball because it is just too hard so they stick to womens volleyball. Meanwhile men take bad womens coaching jobs with limited funding in bad locations with no issue. Your comments just perpetuate the idea women don’t want the jobs instead of looking at it as a microscom of sport that gate keeps women from mens jobs. How kind of you to tell me what I think. And I didn’t say “harder.” I said “worse.” But reading has always been an issue for you. Oh dagger to the heart. BuT rEaDiNg hAS BeEN An ISSuE. Just a valid point in your argument. Thanks for the clarification.
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