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Post by ineedajob on Jan 18, 2022 12:16:15 GMT -5
As of now 70% of the new D1 hire HC are mangos. Where's the equity? Lol Can you delete this comment. It’s just bad. OH NO 70% of the head coaching hires for WOMENS SPORTS are women. Head over to the mens side and tell us the data on how many women are coaching mens teams. You can count on your fingers. If this was a joke it’s a bad one. Delete this. Here lies the problem. Instead of being happy women are getting womens coaching jobs again we got guys like this who want to now ask “where’s the equity”. Don’t LOL and then try to respond “it’s just a joke”. I'm happy that women are getting head coaching jobs in volleyball. However, comparing the percentage of men coaching NCAA women's volleyball to the percentage of women coaching NCAA men's volleyball is an irresponsible use of statistics. There are like 150 NCAA men's volleyball head coaching jobs (sorry I don't know the exact number, it keeps changing). More than 100 of those are D3 and a portion of those are part-time. Then there are well over 1,000 NCAA women's volleyball head coaching jobs. Sure, some of those are part-time, but not nearly as high of a percentage as the men's side. The point is that there aren't even close to as many quality jobs on the men's side. Would I like to see one of those quality jobs go to a woman? Absolutely. I think Sanlin at McKendree seems to be doing a great job, and she has to pull double-duty with both the men's and women's programs. The way women's volleyball is treated and the opportunities it presents, it can draw the top (and bottom) men's coaches to the women's side. Other than BYU (which I would argue was a special situation), women's coaches have little interest in going over to the men's game. If you want women to get more NCAA women's coaching jobs, one way is to continue the growth of NCAA men's volleyball.
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Post by karellen on Jan 18, 2022 12:23:53 GMT -5
Wow....not Russ Rose news, but big just the same
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2022 12:58:16 GMT -5
As of now 70% of the new D1 hire HC are mangos. Where's the equity? Lol Wouldn't the more prudent question be how many females apply for either mens or women v-ball D1 head coaching positions? Per cent of female held positions does not necessarily equal interest in holding those positions. (not speculating one way or another what that per cent might be) But without those applicant statistics, you cannot imply the previous lesser percentage of female coaches was due to "old boys network" otherwise, we might as well imply the same as to a lack of males as dental hygienists, Womens History professors, grade school teachers, human resources staff, etc. BTW, there seems to be quite a few women with multi decades of D1 coaching experience retiring this year. 🤯 Percent (1 word)
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Post by n00b on Jan 18, 2022 12:59:47 GMT -5
Wouldn't the more prudent question be how many females apply for either mens or women v-ball D1 head coaching positions? Per cent of female held positions does not necessarily equal interest in holding those positions. (not speculating one way or another what that per cent might be) But without those applicant statistics, you cannot imply the previous lesser percentage of female coaches was due to "old boys network" otherwise, we might as well imply the same as to a lack of males as dental hygienists, Womens History professors, grade school teachers, human resources staff, etc. BTW, there seems to be quite a few women with multi decades of D1 coaching experience retiring this year. 🤯 Percent (1 word) Unless you’re Canadian or British.
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Post by karellen on Jan 18, 2022 13:35:40 GMT -5
Announcements and postings may slow down this week. NCAA AD meetings start tomorrow. Alot of administrators will be travelling and out of office...
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Post by exit237a on Jan 18, 2022 13:40:26 GMT -5
Announcements and postings may slow down this week. NCAA AD meetings start tomorrow. Alot of administrators will be travelling and out of office... Appreciate the intel!
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Post by underthenet on Jan 18, 2022 14:00:41 GMT -5
36-69, 16-45 in four years as AC at Seton Hall. Not all on her of course, but an interesting recent resume to be hired so quickly after the previous coach's departure
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Post by n00b on Jan 18, 2022 14:26:41 GMT -5
36-69, 16-45 in four years as AC at Seton Hall. Not all on her of course, but an interesting recent resume to be hired so quickly after the previous coach's departure “ While she has been recognized as a young, rising star in the profession, her playing and coaching success speaks for itself”
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Post by logcabincoach on Jan 18, 2022 14:35:08 GMT -5
Unless you’re Canadian or British. BMAH
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Post by yourmom on Jan 18, 2022 14:41:38 GMT -5
Can you delete this comment. It’s just bad. OH NO 70% of the head coaching hires for WOMENS SPORTS are women. Head over to the mens side and tell us the data on how many women are coaching mens teams. You can count on your fingers. If this was a joke it’s a bad one. Delete this. Here lies the problem. Instead of being happy women are getting womens coaching jobs again we got guys like this who want to now ask “where’s the equity”. Don’t LOL and then try to respond “it’s just a joke”. I'm happy that women are getting head coaching jobs in volleyball. However, comparing the percentage of men coaching NCAA women's volleyball to the percentage of women coaching NCAA men's volleyball is an irresponsible use of statistics. There are like 150 NCAA men's volleyball head coaching jobs (sorry I don't know the exact number, it keeps changing). More than 100 of those are D3 and a portion of those are part-time. Then there are well over 1,000 NCAA women's volleyball head coaching jobs. Sure, some of those are part-time, but not nearly as high of a percentage as the men's side. The point is that there aren't even close to as many quality jobs on the men's side. Would I like to see one of those quality jobs go to a woman? Absolutely. I think Sanlin at McKendree seems to be doing a great job, and she has to pull double-duty with both the men's and women's programs. The way women's volleyball is treated and the opportunities it presents, it can draw the top (and bottom) men's coaches to the women's side. Other than BYU (which I would argue was a special situation), women's coaches have little interest in going over to the men's game. If you want women to get more NCAA women's coaching jobs, one way is to continue the growth of NCAA men's volleyball. It isn’t irresponsible because regardless of the sport, across all sports, all positions, women are pushed out of mens jobs. Even if you made the data sets equal the percentage of women coaching mens volleyball would still be tiny as heck. Quality of job isn’t the topic here. Jobs are. There are many women who are taking part time positions to get into coaching on the womens side, why wouldn’t that also be possible for women on the mens side. There is so many women coaching boys Club, but not at the college level? Why. Because men have such a small amount and they want to keep it for the men. How do you know women have no interest in coaching men. That is a problematic statement that alludes to the reason women aren’t on the mens side is becuase they don’t want to, not that they are pushed out from those positions. Mens volleyball is like all other male sports. It is a closed off club from women and when one or two get hired it is a big deal because it has been closed off for the existence of sports. Women coach boys and men. They just aren’t able to at the college level, not because they don’t to. Even if we grew mens vball men would still take womens volleyball jobs. Look at basketball, baseball, softball, soccer and all other sports that both genders. So no that isn’t the way to get more womens coaching jobs. Take a look at coaching data. You are making a lot of assumptions that are incorrect.
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Post by eazy on Jan 18, 2022 14:46:41 GMT -5
I'm happy that women are getting head coaching jobs in volleyball. However, comparing the percentage of men coaching NCAA women's volleyball to the percentage of women coaching NCAA men's volleyball is an irresponsible use of statistics. There are like 150 NCAA men's volleyball head coaching jobs (sorry I don't know the exact number, it keeps changing). More than 100 of those are D3 and a portion of those are part-time. Then there are well over 1,000 NCAA women's volleyball head coaching jobs. Sure, some of those are part-time, but not nearly as high of a percentage as the men's side. The point is that there aren't even close to as many quality jobs on the men's side. Would I like to see one of those quality jobs go to a woman? Absolutely. I think Sanlin at McKendree seems to be doing a great job, and she has to pull double-duty with both the men's and women's programs. The way women's volleyball is treated and the opportunities it presents, it can draw the top (and bottom) men's coaches to the women's side. Other than BYU (which I would argue was a special situation), women's coaches have little interest in going over to the men's game. If you want women to get more NCAA women's coaching jobs, one way is to continue the growth of NCAA men's volleyball. It isn’t irresponsible because regardless of the sport, across all sports, all positions, women are pushed out of mens jobs. Even if you made the data sets equal the percentage of women coaching mens volleyball would still be tiny as heck. Quality of job isn’t the topic here. Jobs are. There are many women who are taking part time positions to get into coaching on the womens side, why wouldn’t that also be possible for women on the mens side. There is so many women coaching boys Club, but not at the college level? Why. Because men have such a small amount and they want to keep it for the men. How do you know women have no interest in coaching men. That is a problematic statement that alludes to the reason women aren’t on the mens side is becuase they don’t want to, not that they are pushed out from those positions. Mens volleyball is like all other male sports. It is a closed off club from women and when one or two get hired it is a big deal because it has been closed off for the existence of sports. Women coach boys and men. They just aren’t able to at the college level, not because they don’t to. Even if we grew mens vball men would still take womens volleyball jobs. Look at basketball, baseball, softball, soccer and all other sports that both genders. So no that isn’t the way to get more womens coaching jobs. Take a look at coaching data. You are making a lot of assumptions that are incorrect. If only there was a thread made for this...ineedajob yourmom
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Post by mervinswerved on Jan 18, 2022 14:50:02 GMT -5
Even if we grew mens vball men would still take womens volleyball jobs. Look at basketball, baseball, softball, soccer and all other sports that both genders. So no that isn’t the way to get more womens coaching jobs. Take a look at coaching data. You are making a lot of assumptions that are incorrect. How do you propose we get more women coaching in the men's game?
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Post by ineedajob on Jan 18, 2022 14:58:54 GMT -5
I'm happy that women are getting head coaching jobs in volleyball. However, comparing the percentage of men coaching NCAA women's volleyball to the percentage of women coaching NCAA men's volleyball is an irresponsible use of statistics. There are like 150 NCAA men's volleyball head coaching jobs (sorry I don't know the exact number, it keeps changing). More than 100 of those are D3 and a portion of those are part-time. Then there are well over 1,000 NCAA women's volleyball head coaching jobs. Sure, some of those are part-time, but not nearly as high of a percentage as the men's side. The point is that there aren't even close to as many quality jobs on the men's side. Would I like to see one of those quality jobs go to a woman? Absolutely. I think Sanlin at McKendree seems to be doing a great job, and she has to pull double-duty with both the men's and women's programs. The way women's volleyball is treated and the opportunities it presents, it can draw the top (and bottom) men's coaches to the women's side. Other than BYU (which I would argue was a special situation), women's coaches have little interest in going over to the men's game. If you want women to get more NCAA women's coaching jobs, one way is to continue the growth of NCAA men's volleyball. It isn’t irresponsible because regardless of the sport, across all sports, all positions, women are pushed out of mens jobs. Even if you made the data sets equal the percentage of women coaching mens volleyball would still be tiny as heck. Quality of job isn’t the topic here. Jobs are. There are many women who are taking part time positions to get into coaching on the womens side, why wouldn’t that also be possible for women on the mens side. There is so many women coaching boys Club, but not at the college level? Why. Because men have such a small amount and they want to keep it for the men. How do you know women have no interest in coaching men. That is a problematic statement that alludes to the reason women aren’t on the mens side is becuase they don’t want to, not that they are pushed out from those positions. Mens volleyball is like all other male sports. It is a closed off club from women and when one or two get hired it is a big deal because it has been closed off for the existence of sports. Women coach boys and men. They just aren’t able to at the college level, not because they don’t to. Even if we grew mens vball men would still take womens volleyball jobs. Look at basketball, baseball, softball, soccer and all other sports that both genders. So no that isn’t the way to get more womens coaching jobs. Take a look at coaching data. You are making a lot of assumptions that are incorrect. Quality of job is part of the equation here, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. I've never heard anyone say that "men have such a small amount and want to keep it for the men." You're speculating and I think you're flat-out wrong. I don't think that women have no interest in coaching men - I think that there are very few jobs in NCAA men's volleyball that could entice a person who has been coaching NCAA women's volleyball: the pay would probably be worse, the funding probably worse, the travel would probably be worse, recruiting is harder, the prestige of the team on campus is probably less (there are a few exceptions: UCLA, BYU, maybe a couple others). Let's say that a volleyball coach is coaching an NCAA men's volleyball team. That coach is also married and has kids. Now, let's say that person gets fired from their job. They don't want to relocate too far away because they have friends and family in the area. Is it more likely that coach is going to be able to find another nearby NCAA coaching job in men's volleyball or in women's volleyball?
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Post by mervinswerved on Jan 18, 2022 15:05:03 GMT -5
I don't think that women have no interest in coaching men - I think that there are very few jobs in NCAA men's volleyball that could entice a person who has been coaching NCAA women's volleyball: the pay would probably be worse, the funding probably worse, the travel would probably be worse, recruiting is harder, the prestige of the team on campus is probably less (there are a few exceptions: UCLA, BYU, maybe a couple others). This is it right here. The average women's job is so much better than the average men's job, even taking into account the fact there are more "elite" men's programs as an overall percentage (because it's such a smaller world). The women have (way) better pay, better schedules, more visibility, and vastly more opportunity for career growth. If you coach in the SEC, ACC, or B1G, you'll play more nationally-televised matches in one year than you will in an entire men's career. You're probably a top-two women's sport at your school compared to an afterthought at most men's programs (BYU and Hawaii, excepted). How many great men's jobs are there? Five? There's probably 50 on the women's side, not even counting all the great spots in D2 and D3.
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