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Post by vbnerd on Mar 16, 2023 7:00:30 GMT -5
Utah said they aren't leaving. ASU said they aren't talking to the Big 12. And now Arizona who was supposed to be the most likely to go, says they are getting a deal in the Pac 12. If you believe them AT ALL (not mandatory) it now appears that the four corners to the Big 12 has been one big off-season click-bait scheme. That would leave us with Does Gonzaga join the Big 12 or Pac 10? Does San Deigo State join the Big 12 or Pac 10? What did the Pac 12 give up to juice their numbers? And what would it take for Oregon and/or Washington to go to the Big 10 before the end of the deal? Is it a possibility or are we actually done for a few years?
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Post by bbg95 on Mar 16, 2023 7:15:55 GMT -5
Utah said they aren't leaving. ASU said they aren't talking to the Big 12. And now Arizona who was supposed to be the most likely to go, says they are getting a deal in the Pac 12. If you believe them AT ALL (not mandatory) it now appears that the four corners to the Big 12 has been one big off-season click-bait scheme. That would leave us with Does Gonzaga join the Big 12 or Pac 10? Does San Deigo State join the Big 12 or Pac 10? What did the Pac 12 give up to juice their numbers? And what would it take for Oregon and/or Washington to go to the Big 10 before the end of the deal? Is it a possibility or are we actually done for a few years? No idea what happens, but how many schools publicly suggest they're leaving prior to actually announcing their departure? Even for a school like USC, which I think was obviously miserable in the Pac-12 for a number of years, they still blindsided the rest of the conference with their move.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Mar 16, 2023 11:29:15 GMT -5
Utah said they aren't leaving. ASU said they aren't talking to the Big 12. And now Arizona who was supposed to be the most likely to go, says they are getting a deal in the Pac 12. If you believe them AT ALL (not mandatory) it now appears that the four corners to the Big 12 has been one big off-season click-bait scheme. That would leave us with Does Gonzaga join the Big 12 or Pac 10? Does San Deigo State join the Big 12 or Pac 10? What did the Pac 12 give up to juice their numbers? And what would it take for Oregon and/or Washington to go to the Big 10 before the end of the deal? Is it a possibility or are we actually done for a few years? It's insane that people think Washington would leave the PAC. Just never gonna happen. They just assume join up with CBCC or PSCC or some other community colleges then align with the Big.
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Post by n00b on Mar 16, 2023 12:09:11 GMT -5
Utah said they aren't leaving. ASU said they aren't talking to the Big 12. And now Arizona who was supposed to be the most likely to go, says they are getting a deal in the Pac 12. If you believe them AT ALL (not mandatory) it now appears that the four corners to the Big 12 has been one big off-season click-bait scheme. That would leave us with Does Gonzaga join the Big 12 or Pac 10? Does San Deigo State join the Big 12 or Pac 10? What did the Pac 12 give up to juice their numbers? And what would it take for Oregon and/or Washington to go to the Big 10 before the end of the deal? Is it a possibility or are we actually done for a few years? It's insane that people think Washington would leave the PAC. Just never gonna happen. They just assume join up with CBCC or PSCC or some other community colleges then align with the Big. Why wouldn’t Washington want to be in the Big Ten?
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Post by vbcoltrane on Mar 16, 2023 12:16:05 GMT -5
It's insane that people think Washington would leave the PAC. Just never gonna happen. They just assume join up with CBCC or PSCC or some other community colleges then align with the Big. Why wouldn’t Washington want to be in the Big Ten? I totally get it from a geographic perspective, but the poster makes it seem like Washington has some sort of beef or problem with the Big 10 that is deeper than that.
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Post by n00b on Mar 16, 2023 12:23:46 GMT -5
Why wouldn’t Washington want to be in the Big Ten? I totally get it from a geographic perspective, but the poster makes it seem like Washington has some sort of beef or problem with the Big 10 that is deeper than that. Even the geography argument is a stretch for me. They’re already in a conference where they have to fly for 8 out of 11 opponents. Yes, the flying distance is further and you’re changing time zones more often. But for an extra $50 million per year, you can charter every flight for every team.
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Post by vbnerd on Mar 16, 2023 12:58:03 GMT -5
Utah said they aren't leaving. ASU said they aren't talking to the Big 12. And now Arizona who was supposed to be the most likely to go, says they are getting a deal in the Pac 12. If you believe them AT ALL (not mandatory) it now appears that the four corners to the Big 12 has been one big off-season click-bait scheme. That would leave us with Does Gonzaga join the Big 12 or Pac 10? Does San Deigo State join the Big 12 or Pac 10? What did the Pac 12 give up to juice their numbers? And what would it take for Oregon and/or Washington to go to the Big 10 before the end of the deal? Is it a possibility or are we actually done for a few years? No idea what happens, but how many schools publicly suggest they're leaving prior to actually announcing their departure? Even for a school like USC, which I think was obviously miserable in the Pac-12 for a number of years, they still blindsided the rest of the conference with their move. Utah's AD jumped in to retweet and contest a post by Dennis Dodd. He wasn't put on the hot seat. He jumped in so I tend to believe him, however, you aren't wrong and I said IF you believe them, that WOULD leave us with. Them telling the truth is still a hypothetical, though at this point, if I were a betting man, I'd bet that they know they are getting enough to keep the gang together.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Mar 16, 2023 13:30:26 GMT -5
Utah said they aren't leaving. ASU said they aren't talking to the Big 12. And now Arizona who was supposed to be the most likely to go, says they are getting a deal in the Pac 12. If you believe them AT ALL (not mandatory) it now appears that the four corners to the Big 12 has been one big off-season click-bait scheme. That would leave us with Does Gonzaga join the Big 12 or Pac 10? Does San Deigo State join the Big 12 or Pac 10? What did the Pac 12 give up to juice their numbers? And what would it take for Oregon and/or Washington to go to the Big 10 before the end of the deal? Is it a possibility or are we actually done for a few years? The Pac-12 would be best to add SDSU and Gonzaga, with limited/reduced media payouts. Not sure Washington State would like that, but then they really don't have much say. They want the Pac-12 to stay together. Would maintain Pac-12 as a premier basketball conference, while keeping a SoCal presence. I still think the Pac-12 will need to schedule some premier events in LA/OC for media interest. Maybe moving basketball tournament to Staples, & Football championship to SoFi. Having non-conf tournament @ Honda, SDSU hosting game each year in LA
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Post by bbg95 on Mar 16, 2023 13:33:17 GMT -5
No idea what happens, but how many schools publicly suggest they're leaving prior to actually announcing their departure? Even for a school like USC, which I think was obviously miserable in the Pac-12 for a number of years, they still blindsided the rest of the conference with their move. Utah's AD jumped in to retweet and contest a post by Dennis Dodd. He wasn't put on the hot seat. He jumped in so I tend to believe him, however, you aren't wrong and I said IF you believe them, that WOULD leave us with. Them telling the truth is still a hypothetical, though at this point, if I were a betting man, I'd bet that they know they are getting enough to keep the gang together. Utah doesn't want to join the Big 12. No argument there (and I think the feeling may be mutual at this point--Utah has the least value of the mountain schools, and their fans seem to have annoyed every Big 12 fan base). But he doesn't speak for every school in the conference. I would guess that every school in the Pac-12 would prefer to stay there if the money works out. But until they actually sign a new TV deal, the speculation will continue.
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Post by bluepenquin on Mar 16, 2023 13:39:59 GMT -5
www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/arizona-president-talks-keeping-pac-12-together-tv-deal-expectations-deadlines-big-12-interest-and-more/Dennis Dodd's latest based on talks with Robert Robbins (Arizona). Nothing really new here other than Robbins saying he believes the PAC deal will be better than the B12 money. But reading his quotes - it isn't all that clear that he really knows what that number will be. As he talks of; at the end of the day, if the money for a new PAC contract is close to the B12 - Arizona (and the 4 corner schools) are staying. He didn't elaborate on how much less would the PAC contract have to be for them to jump. This all comes down to what numbers the PAC will get - and that something is likely to happen by the middle of April. The longer this goes on - the more likely that the PAC just isn't getting enough money to keep their schools from leaving. Reading the quotes (and this article has a lot of them) - it really sounds like Robbins is talking a lot, but really isn't saying anything. I don't know where I am on this. I guess I think the chances of the PAC surviving is better today than what I thought yesterday. But I am still thinking this is reasonably close to 50-50.
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Post by bluepenquin on Mar 16, 2023 13:43:39 GMT -5
Utah's AD jumped in to retweet and contest a post by Dennis Dodd. He wasn't put on the hot seat. He jumped in so I tend to believe him, however, you aren't wrong and I said IF you believe them, that WOULD leave us with. Them telling the truth is still a hypothetical, though at this point, if I were a betting man, I'd bet that they know they are getting enough to keep the gang together. I would guess that every school in the Pac-12 would prefer to stay there if the money works out. But until they actually sign a new TV deal, the speculation will continue. I think this is really where we are at - and this has been the case for a long while now. Speculation isn't going to end until a TV deal is done - and this dragging out this long doesn't seem to have been good for the PAC.
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Post by brooselee on Mar 16, 2023 16:15:04 GMT -5
Of course, Utah saying they aren’t leaving(present tense)…..not that they WON’T leave(leave later if offered). Where would they go since they don’t have any invitation to go elsewhere yet. When the Utes get the invitation to join another conference and they turn it down, then that statement will have validity behind it.
As for the PAC 12 getting a better deal than the BiG 12, I find that hard to see. What leverage does the PAC 12 have to command big money…especially losing the 2 brand name schools and the large LA TV market.
The AZ administrator might be taking an optimistic view of the situation . He is putting on a good face in effort to not make this situation look dire but as a previous poster had mentioned, the longer negotiations drag out, the less likely it will a “better” since the PAC12 is now considered by many as the lesser of all P5 conferences.
Could also be a ploy on Robbins’ part to get the BIG 12 to hurry up and offer UA if the BIG12 is serious about wanting UA.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Mar 16, 2023 16:24:58 GMT -5
It's insane that people think Washington would leave the PAC. Just never gonna happen. They just assume join up with CBCC or PSCC or some other community colleges then align with the Big. Why wouldn’t Washington want to be in the Big Ten? Several reasons but I'll leave you guessing.
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Post by bigjohn043 on Mar 16, 2023 20:53:08 GMT -5
Why wouldn’t Washington want to be in the Big Ten? Several reasons but I'll leave you guessing. Then why did UW and UO go to the B1G and ask for an invitation immediately after USC/UCLA left? This was widely reported in the media.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Mar 16, 2023 21:12:36 GMT -5
Several reasons but I'll leave you guessing. Then why did UW and UO go to the B1G and ask for an invitation immediately after USC/UCLA left? This was widely reported in the media. Not quite. They were "preliminary discussions" between "lawyers and consultants", ie nobody that mattered. Just a knee jerk reaction by a from out of town athletic director who didn't have a clue about the situation at hand and wanted to cover her arse.
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