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Post by boxcariii on Sept 7, 2023 13:46:36 GMT -5
I like pie and pi.
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Post by InTheKnow on Sept 7, 2023 15:10:17 GMT -5
A school can't say tomorrow, "We're unilaterally joining Conference X." That conference has to invite them. And the conference has to see value in those schools to extend such an offer. The Big Ten and the SEC are far and away the most powerful and well-founded conferences right now. The Big XII has made some interesting and solid moves to maintain relevance to a degree in football (but more so in basketball). The Pac-12 is obviously headed toward its vicious death at the end of this academic year. Of the so-called P5, that leaves the ACC. The ACC is largely considered to be headed toward its own demise, as well, but much more slowly. No one else wanted the schools they took. They took them in part to try to buy their way out of an earlier death if, in fact, FSU, Clemson, and UNC find a way to kill the GOR (which they very well may). They didn't take them because they enamored with Stanford or Cal academics (and let's not forget this is actually a 3-school deal; SMU is in here, too). The ACC is riverboat gambling with its life. If FSU, Clemson, and UNC can overcome to GOR, the ACC can maybe survive as a much lesser conference with who they have left. If they didn't add these teams, they'd likely be headed down the road of the Pac-12 much more quickly than they'd hoped. most powerful? yes well-founded? lol, not really, not much is very well-founded outside the SEC which is the only conference left that actually is a regional conference. (2 time zones, only 1 hour difference, 12 states all continguous, nothing bastardized like the other 3 conferences) Give them time.
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Post by slxpress on Sept 7, 2023 15:17:01 GMT -5
most powerful? yes well-founded? lol, not really, not much is very well-founded outside the SEC which is the only conference left that actually is a regional conference. (2 time zones, only 1 hour difference, 12 states all continguous, nothing bastardized like the other 3 conferences) Give them time. The main targets the SEC would go after are in the ACC. The Big 10 already has the most desirable targets on the west coast.
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Post by vbnerd on Sept 7, 2023 16:10:43 GMT -5
For the future of the ACC - if/when the schools can get out...
UNC and Virginia - AAU members with solid athletic departments, likely headed for the Big 10 though UVA would do it self a favor with a couple of bowl games in the next few years.
Clemson and FSU - Academically, they are never getting into the Big 10, but they'd sell out for the SEC.
Miami, Ga Tech, Pitt, and Duke - all AAU members, but not sure any of them have a football program that is worth $70 million/year. I could see Miami in the Big 10 but I wonder if someone would have to go with them, and would the Big 10 declare war on the SEC and invite UF?
Syracuse, BC, Va Tech, Wake, Louisville, NC State - Would probably stay together in some form with whatever is left over from the above, or discarded from the SEC or Big 10 make room for the above schools. Of course Syracuse, BC, Pitt, Va Tech, Louisville, Pitt and Miami were previously known as the Big East so they are well acquainted already. Wake, NC State, Duke, Ga Tech and throw in USF and you have a good #4-5 conference though I'm not sure there'd be enough money to sustain the relationship with SMU, Stanford and Cal.
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Post by jagdpanther on Sept 7, 2023 19:33:22 GMT -5
what does 'well-founded' mean in teh first place, lol so yes, IMO being regional is part of being 'well-founded', whatever the hell 'well-founded' means. Strong foundation. Well-established. Made up of strong athletic programs that work well together. Unlikely to crumble in this era of realignment. We're going to see what the west coast teams do to that balance; personally, I don't like the spread of the Big 10, but as long as media dollars are king, the Big Ten certainly has done well to capture as much of the US population as possible. It's possible the SEC doesn't really care about the west coast, but if they did, the Big Ten took the biggest prize by far with the LA market. The Pac-12 is dead. The ACC is dangerously close to edge. It could survive, but if it loses its big teams the best it can hope is try to replicate the Big XII's model. At best it'd become a second-class citizen in football, which essentially sets the hierarchy of Division I conferences. Neither of those conferences are "well-founded."
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Post by mediawatcher on Sept 7, 2023 21:30:47 GMT -5
I like red and read.
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Post by rtael on Sept 7, 2023 21:58:12 GMT -5
Only if it's a pizza pie. Pi is chill though.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Sept 7, 2023 22:10:40 GMT -5
I am absolutely positive well founded was meant to be well funded. I don’t even think it’s that difficult to figure out. then why not say well funded, lol well founded could mean a lot of things the Pac-12 was well founded, and then became not as well funded, lol. so which is it? words matter, or maybe they don't
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Sept 7, 2023 22:13:36 GMT -5
what does 'well-founded' mean in teh first place, lol so yes, IMO being regional is part of being 'well-founded', whatever the hell 'well-founded' means. Strong foundation. Well-established. Made up of strong athletic programs that work well together. Unlikely to crumble in this era of realignment. We're going to see what the west coast teams do to that balance; personally, I don't like the spread of the Big 10, but as long as media dollars are king, the Big Ten certainly has done well to capture as much of the US population as possible. It's possible the SEC doesn't really care about the west coast, but if they did, the Big Ten took the biggest prize by far with the LA market. The Pac-12 is dead. The ACC is dangerously close to edge. It could survive, but if it loses its big teams the best it can hope is try to replicate the Big XII's model. At best it'd become a second-class citizen in football, which essentially sets the hierarchy of Division I conferences. Neither of those conferences are "well-founded." yes, it is dead, not because it was not well founded. it was had a strong foundation, was well-establish, made up of the best OVERALL athletic programs, and they did work well together and then a series of ......unfortunate events as it were I mean if it's all about TV / media deals, that's the serendipity somewhat of decisions at moments in time that ended up to have enormous consequences
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 7, 2023 22:31:02 GMT -5
This make sense. Even in its vastly diminished state, the Pac-12 is still a better name brand than the Mountain West.
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Post by slxpress on Sept 7, 2023 22:31:29 GMT -5
I am absolutely positive well founded was meant to be well funded. I don’t even think it’s that difficult to figure out. then why not say well funded, lol well founded could mean a lot of things the Pac-12 was well founded, and then became not as well funded, lol. so which is it? words matter, or maybe they don't Because it was a frickin' typo. He added an o, or auto check added an O. Sure, words matter. No one is saying they don't. But no one is saying to quit using your brain, either.
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Post by slxpress on Sept 7, 2023 22:33:09 GMT -5
This make sense. Even in its vastly diminished state, the Pac-12 is still a better name brand than the Mountain West. It's pretty normal, actually. AT&T was a better name than Southwestern Bell. Bank of America was a better name than North Carolina National Bank.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Sept 7, 2023 22:45:30 GMT -5
then why not say well funded, lol well founded could mean a lot of things the Pac-12 was well founded, and then became not as well funded, lol. so which is it? words matter, or maybe they don't Because it was a frickin' typo. He added an o, or auto check added an O. Sure, words matter. No one is saying they don't. But no one is saying to quit using your brain, either. and on que, the obligatory VT accusatory & put down post. smh. what a prick
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Post by slxpress on Sept 7, 2023 23:01:32 GMT -5
Because it was a frickin' typo. He added an o, or auto check added an O. Sure, words matter. No one is saying they don't. But no one is saying to quit using your brain, either. and on que, the obligatory VT accusatory & put down post. smh. what a prick I feel like you're being way too sensitive. I tell you that well founded is meant to be well funded - not just you, but the other folks arguing about what is meant by well founded. Then you get all weird about why didn't he just say well funded then. I respond it's a typo. Why get all huffy about a typo? And now you're going all in with the martyr act. It's not a put down post. It's more of a plea than anything.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Sept 7, 2023 23:13:11 GMT -5
and on que, the obligatory VT accusatory & put down post. smh. what a prick I feel like you're being way too sensitive. I tell you that well founded is meant to be well funded - not just you, but the other folks arguing about what is meant by well founded. Then you get all weird about why didn't he just say well funded then. I respond it's a typo. Why get all huffy about a typo? And now you're going all in with the martyr act. It's not a put down post. It's more of a plea than anything. nope I'm not sensitive. not weird. I just confront dickwads that can't resist to go out of their way to be insulting people on VT that's all I'm not huffy about a typo. I didn't bring it up, I don't care about it. I didn't insult the poster for making a typo. You are the one that chimed in to make a prick insulting comment. yes, it is a put down post. just like saying 'you are sensitive' lol, another huffy 'i'm superior' put down post. lol, whatever floats one's boat
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