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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2021 19:20:43 GMT -5
Was that Samedy’s longest run of her career?
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Post by vbcoltrane on Nov 6, 2021 19:21:27 GMT -5
Illinois caught up after their fans started a “safety school” cheer lol. Makes me miss state tournament matches in Minnesota where both teams have lots of student fans present. Minnesota students could have started a “scoreboard” cheer. And then after Illinois made their comeback they could cheer something antagonistic yet fun. No idea what either teams fans would have done after those three points that Minnesota won on contested calls. Tough string of points for Illinois, but it really does seem like the right calls were ultimately made. Sometimes the challenge system gets it right. They were chanting this about MN? If so, it seems totally odd. MN and IL are entirely within the same tier of universities. IL may indeed be ranked higher in some rankings, but whatever gap there is isn't enough for IL to be mocking MN as a safety school. That's my impression anyway.
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Post by gopherhim on Nov 6, 2021 19:24:44 GMT -5
Jenna on the D ball then Samedy with an open net? Love it
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2021 19:25:07 GMT -5
Point 17 for Gophs was an excellent point!
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Post by vbcoltrane on Nov 6, 2021 19:27:33 GMT -5
I've been a VB fan for a long time, but am not a player or a coach. Can someone explain why "middle presence" is particularly tough to achieve. My immediate reaction is if you have decent middles - decent athleticism with decent swings - and a decent setter, a team should be able to set the middle and get some kills. But apparently that's way over simplified. It's a point that's driven home - about how MN has no middle attack. And I've seen it in reference to other teams. What makes a good middle game so elusive? Everything else being equal, it’s very much a connection that is either there or it’s not, and if it’s not it takes real time and effort to fix (if ever). For the set, the speed at which the ball comes out of the hands / tempo, and height of the set will make a huge difference. For the middle, where they jump relative to the net and setter (i.e., are they too tight to one or both if you think of it as a triangle), the timing of when they jump, arm swing, and for slides the angle of the approach, all make a difference. With middle sets there is less room for error on both ends because the middle is either jumping as the ball is in the setter’s hands or soon thereafter for sets behind the setter. As a former D1 middle (but not a Minnesota alumnae), all I can say is the extent to which this is a glaring issue is unusual for this program. Thank you. That makes sense. Outsides, opposites often have more time to approach, jump, time themselves to the setter. And a setter has a little more margin for error and more options with them in term of spacing to the net, height, timing (high ball or quick set, or somewhere in between). |
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Post by gophervbfan on Nov 6, 2021 19:27:58 GMT -5
Illinois playing like they have somewhere to go after the match.
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Post by passmetherock on Nov 6, 2021 19:29:02 GMT -5
I've been a VB fan for a long time, but am not a player or a coach. Can someone explain why "middle presence" is particularly tough to achieve. My immediate reaction is if you have decent middles - decent athleticism with decent swings - and a decent setter, a team should be able to set the middle and get some kills. But apparently that's way over simplified. It's a point that's driven home - about how MN has no middle attack. And I've seen it in reference to other teams. What makes a good middle game so elusive? Setting the middle efficiently and effectively is a major asset for teams at all levels. It spreads the attack, and takes pressure off the pin hitters. With that being said, the timing and connection between the middles and setter is the hardest to build. The chemistry has to be amazing, and they have to know exactly where the other will be at the moment of attack. It is also heavily dependent on the setters self confidence to consistently set the middle. If you miss a set to the outside by 2 feet, a lot of times the hitter can still put the ball away. If you miss the middle (by that margin), it’s missed completely – and then all eyes are on the setter… |
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Post by gopherhim on Nov 6, 2021 19:29:34 GMT -5
Illinois caught up after their fans started a “safety school” cheer lol. Makes me miss state tournament matches in Minnesota where both teams have lots of student fans present. Minnesota students could have started a “scoreboard” cheer. And then after Illinois made their comeback they could cheer something antagonistic yet fun. No idea what either teams fans would have done after those three points that Minnesota won on contested calls. Tough string of points for Illinois, but it really does seem like the right calls were ultimately made. Sometimes the challenge system gets it right. They were chanting this about MN? If so, it seems totally odd. MN and IL are entirely within the same tier of universities. IL may indeed be ranked higher in some rankings, but whatever gap there is isn't enough for IL to be mocking MN as a safety school. That's my impression anyway.
Yeah it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me either even though Illinois is higher in the rankings. But I do admire Illinois’ regularly large and intense student fan base at their games. Minnesota student fans are engaged and show up but I wish they weren’t split up between the two endline bleacher sections. I’m mostly just getting nostalgic about the state tournament. Starts next weekend! |
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Post by WMegs55 on Nov 6, 2021 19:31:23 GMT -5
Everything else being equal, it’s very much a connection that is either there or it’s not, and if it’s not it takes real time and effort to fix (if ever). For the set, the speed at which the ball comes out of the hands / tempo, and height of the set will make a huge difference. For the middle, where they jump relative to the net and setter (i.e., are they too tight to one or both if you think of it as a triangle), the timing of when they jump, arm swing, and for slides the angle of the approach, all make a difference. With middle sets there is less room for error on both ends because the middle is either jumping as the ball is in the setter’s hands or soon thereafter for sets behind the setter. As a former D1 middle (but not a Minnesota alumnae), all I can say is the extent to which this is a glaring issue is unusual for this program. Thank you. That makes sense. Outsides, opposites often have more time to approach, jump, time themselves to the setter. And a setter has a little more margin for error and more options with them in term of spacing to the net, height, timing (high ball or quick set, or somewhere in between). Right. A setter would have to adjust quite a lot between, say, Taylor Morgan (undersized but huge vertical, quick twitch) vs Shea Rubright. I don’t see our 3 (really 4) middles as all that dissimilar. |
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Post by WMegs55 on Nov 6, 2021 19:32:18 GMT -5
Nice win on the road Minnesota 👍🏻👏🏻
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Post by trianglevolleyball on Nov 6, 2021 19:33:19 GMT -5
Couple great road wins, connection with the pins is looking much better from Shaffmaster, and I'm impressed by our defense and passing this week.Another massive week from Samedy stats-wise, hope she can snag another BIG POW as she pulls ahead in the POY race.
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Post by B1Gminnesotafan on Nov 6, 2021 19:34:48 GMT -5
Gophers Win!
Team Names 1 2 3 4 5 T
Minnesota 25 25 25 3
Illinois 22 16 14 0
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Post by B1Gminnesotafan on Nov 6, 2021 19:35:30 GMT -5
Two road wins against ranked teams in the B1G. EXCELLENT
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Post by vbcoltrane on Nov 6, 2021 19:36:37 GMT -5
Gophs working themselves to within seed range. That seemed unlikely 3 weeks ago.
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Post by NFRvb on Nov 6, 2021 19:38:15 GMT -5
Gophs working themselves to within seed range. That seemed unlikely 3 weeks ago. Um yeah they definitley deserve a seed, over nebraska if they lose tonight and def over osu |
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