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Post by gogophs on Nov 6, 2021 19:45:39 GMT -5
this illinois team is not what I saw against nebraska, even if they were swept then too. nothing was working for them in the last set
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Post by gophervbfan on Nov 6, 2021 19:51:21 GMT -5
If the Gophers win out, they will either be outright B1G champions or co-champions.
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Post by curiouskg on Nov 6, 2021 19:53:51 GMT -5
If the Gophers win out, they will either be outright B1G champions or co-champions. We still have Purdue, Penn State and Wisconsin to get through. That's not a cake walk. |
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Post by comet on Nov 6, 2021 19:54:17 GMT -5
If the Gophers win out, they will either be outright B1G champions or co-champions. They have a tough schedule to "win out". |
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Post by gophervbfan on Nov 6, 2021 19:56:08 GMT -5
If the Gophers win out, they will either be outright B1G champions or co-champions. They have a tough schedule to "win out". It got a little easier after this week. |
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Post by hrothgar on Nov 6, 2021 20:07:20 GMT -5
They were chanting this about MN? If so, it seems totally odd. MN and IL are entirely within the same tier of universities. IL may indeed be ranked higher in some rankings, but whatever gap there is isn't enough for IL to be mocking MN as a safety school. That's my impression anyway.
Yeah it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me either even though Illinois is higher in the rankings. But I do admire Illinois’ regularly large and intense student fan base at their games. Minnesota student fans are engaged and show up but I wish they weren’t split up between the two endline bleacher sections. I’m mostly just getting nostalgic about the state tournament. Starts next weekend! |
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Post by hrothgar on Nov 6, 2021 20:17:43 GMT -5
Yeah it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me either even though Illinois is higher in the rankings. But I do admire Illinois’ regularly large and intense student fan base at their games. Minnesota student fans are engaged and show up but I wish they weren’t split up between the two endline bleacher sections. I’m mostly just getting nostalgic about the state tournament. Starts next weekend! Being from IL, I remember the time (through the 1960s) when Huff Gym was the home to Illini men's varsity basketball: tiny, cramped, and stuffy. The IL state High School basketball tourney was there, too; tickets almost impossible to get. It's good to see they didn't tear the old place down, but use it well for VB. There are only about 2 things for students to do on the Champaign prairie: go to games and study. They tend to do a lot of both. When I was a youth, you had to be in the upper 10% of your h s graduating class to get in the U of I. (I didn't bother to apply.) |
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Post by gopherhim on Nov 6, 2021 20:50:00 GMT -5
Being from IL, I remember the time (through the 1960s) when Huff Gym was the home to Illini men's varsity basketball: tiny, cramped, and stuffy. The IL state High School basketball tourney was there, too; tickets almost impossible to get. It's good to see they didn't tear the old place down, but use it well for VB. There are only about 2 things for students to do on the Champaign prairie: go to games and study. They tend to do a lot of both. When I was a youth, you had to be in the upper 10% of your h s graduating class to get in the U of I. (I didn't bother to apply.) Posts from a personal perspective like yours are my favorite to read on this forum. Huff Hall and UW Field House are at the top of my list of (nearby) volleyball venues to see. Historic and with great fans. |
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Post by ted_heise on Nov 6, 2021 21:19:59 GMT -5
Being from IL, I remember the time (through the 1960s) when Huff Gym was the home to Illini men's varsity basketball: tiny, cramped, and stuffy. The IL state High School basketball tourney was there, too; tickets almost impossible to get. It's good to see they didn't tear the old place down, but use it well for VB. There are only about 2 things for students to do on the Champaign prairie: go to games and study. They tend to do a lot of both. When I was a youth, you had to be in the upper 10% of your h s graduating class to get in the U of I. (I didn't bother to apply.) Posts from a personal perspective like yours are my favorite to read on this forum. Huff Hall and UW Field House are at the top of my list of (nearby) volleyball venues to see. Historic and with great fans. Agree. And we really enjoyed the Huff Hall atmosphere on Thursday. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2021 8:54:44 GMT -5
What has Husemann not done in practice such that Hugh continues to let Myers embarrass herself OVER and OVER It would be understandable if her serve was a reliable asset. After watching Baylor & Texas duke it out yesterday this is like watching the JV teams I didn't watch this match at all, since it is on BTN+ and that's an automatic No for me on principle.
But in the matches I have seen this year, Myers is easily and clearly, head and shoulders the best middle we have.
Did you mean Rubright, here?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2021 8:58:43 GMT -5
Illinois caught up after their fans started a “safety school” cheer lol. Makes me miss state tournament matches in Minnesota where both teams have lots of student fans present. Minnesota students could have started a “scoreboard” cheer. And then after Illinois made their comeback they could cheer something antagonistic yet fun. No idea what either teams fans would have done after those three points that Minnesota won on contested calls. Tough string of points for Illinois, but it really does seem like the right calls were ultimately made. Sometimes the challenge system gets it right. They were chanting this about MN? If so, it seems totally odd. MN and IL are entirely within the same tier of universities. IL may indeed be ranked higher in some rankings, but whatever gap there is isn't enough for IL to be mocking MN as a safety school. That's my impression anyway.
The idea that UIUC is a better research school than Minnesota, is very laughable.
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Post by mcmike on Nov 7, 2021 11:44:43 GMT -5
What has Husemann not done in practice such that Hugh continues to let Myers embarrass herself OVER and OVER It would be understandable if her serve was a reliable asset. After watching Baylor & Texas duke it out yesterday this is like watching the JV teams I didn't watch this match at all, since it is on BTN+ and that's an automatic No for me on principle.
But in the matches I have seen this year, Myers is easily and clearly, head and shoulders the best middle we have.
Did you mean Rubright, here?
In what way is Myers the best middle we have? Most # of attacks? yes Not in hitting % Myers 50 13 150 0.247
Rubright 27 8 61 0.311Best lateral movement to close a block? Don't know Best % of block solos and block assists/set? don't know Best vertical? Yes, but I think Rubright had a back slide sent her way vs IL and she got up pretty high. Competitive Fire? No, Husemann was coming on and showing some attitude before she disappeared Attitude? Yes, she doesn't seem to get down on herself when she does err. Keeps trying, smiling, and connecting with teammates Ability to beat a block? Myers is better than Husemann, but our middle attack is so sporadic this metric is fairly meaningless. Proactive vs reactive decisions? Maybe. None of our middles seem to grade high anticipating 'over on 2' or the impending set location. If the middles were being targeted above 20% of attacks and opponent middles had to stay a bit closer to home then the hitting efficiency on quicks might have more meaning. I was a #2 setter back in the '80s on the UofM men's VB club. I've never coached. I studied my hitters' favorite swing dynamic and where they liked to hit from. Some liked to come from off the court. Some liked to come inside (gap). We didn't scout or pay attention to the opponents. If the opponents were not block efficient we set closer to the net. I don't remember being coached to run an offense in any particular style. Now, as an ardent fan, I use a baseball analogy, wins against replacement to analyze our problematic middle situation. Myers had 3 kills, a solo block, and 2 block assists for +5. She made 1 hitting error and 2 service errors for -3 I don't know how many of her serves resulted in weak attacks or free balls for our transition offense = a minus How many of her 12 attacks were from sets good enough that she could/should have put on the floor? = a minus How many of her attacks after overpasses weren't kills but led to IL making an OOS third touch? Myers induces a cringe response in me way too much. I don't chart all of this stuff. When she could have ended a point but misses the opportunity only to see the opponent score a kill in system in transition it is SO FRUSTRATING She has had some nice kills off gap sets. She doesn't get enough perfect sets to drive But she needs to anticipate more and better. WMegs55, who has been there and done that as a MB, said above: Everything else being equal, it’s very much a connection that is either there or it’s not, and if it’s not it takes real time and effort to fix (if ever). For the set, the speed at which the ball comes out of the hands / tempo, and height of the set will make a huge difference. For the middle, where they jump relative to the net and setter (i.e., are they too tight to one or both if you think of it as a triangle), the timing of when they jump, arm swing, and for slides the angle of the approach, all make a difference. With middle sets there is less room for error on both ends because the middle is either jumping as the ball is in the setter’s hands or soon thereafter for sets behind the setter. As a former D1 middle (but not a Minnesota alumnae), all I can say is the extent to which this is a glaring issue is unusual for this program. |
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Post by dodger on Nov 7, 2021 12:06:31 GMT -5
Maybe Minny doesnt train Middles or maybe setters well enough to understand the nuance of middle hitting: Hugh is/was a national team coach who finds the best players who are mostly all ready skilled : he hasn’t grown up training kids on how to learn to be: and to be fair Hugh’s teams are a bit more conservative on serve: high percentage makes: in that vain and thinking like an international coach: on perfect passes on SR and free ball use your pins and creat movement away from pin with middle and on passes in transition amd off net: when opponent least expects it run the middle: this is a fairly common philosophy it just maybe that the setter and middles aren’t good as meg said in effecting this tactic!
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Post by dodger on Nov 7, 2021 12:06:41 GMT -5
Maybe Minny doesnt train Middles or maybe setters well enough to understand the nuance of middle hitting: Hugh is/was a national team coach who finds the best players who are mostly all ready skilled : he hasn’t grown up training kids on how to learn to be: and to be fair Hugh’s teams are a bit more conservative on serve: high percentage makes: in that vain and thinking like an international coach: on perfect passes on SR and free ball use your pins and creat movement away from pin with middle and on passes in transition amd off net: when opponent least expects it run the middle: this is a fairly common philosophy it just maybe that the setter and middles aren’t good as meg said in effecting this tactic!
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Post by vbcoltrane on Nov 7, 2021 12:15:05 GMT -5
They were chanting this about MN? If so, it seems totally odd. MN and IL are entirely within the same tier of universities. IL may indeed be ranked higher in some rankings, but whatever gap there is isn't enough for IL to be mocking MN as a safety school. That's my impression anyway.
The idea that UIUC is a better research school than Minnesota, is very laughable.
Right. I know UIUC is ranked higher. But making fun of a school as a "safety" school is usually all based on reputation or perception, the idea that it's in a different class of school (e.g., Colgate as a safety school for Harvard or other Ivies) - actual rankings might factor in, but, as you note, it's not the whole story. I've never seen anyone react to IL or MN as a different class of university.
I'm from MN, so am a MN fan, NWU undergrad and Illinois grad school. I don't really care about this - I just genuinely found it surprising and interesting.
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