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Post by crando on Nov 12, 2021 12:43:38 GMT -5
11 all in the second set was arguably Dreschel's hardest hit ball of her career. Laser down the line. Reminded me of this swing Collymore had long ago down the line, the amount of velocity on the ball is just crazy. And then Kipp came back and did the same thing on the next play. "You got an opposite who can crush line? Well we have one too!" That was a fun exchange to watch. |
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Post by crando on Nov 12, 2021 12:52:36 GMT -5
Stanford doesn’t set Baird from the back enough to have Francis at L1 They have Francis at L1 so that there's only one rotation where Francis (or Kipp) has to serve receive, instead of two rotations (if she were the L2). It's a common move when you use a DS for one of your OHs, and also for your Opp, and you want to minimize how often those hitters pass.
But yes, when your L2 is a way better hitter, you need to set the pipe a little more than Stanford does to make that work.
And last night, when you are all out of DSes, and your Opp is playing all 6 rotations anyway, the reason for putting Francis in the L1 completely disappears -- whether she's L1 or L2, she or Kipp need to pass in 3 rotations either way.
So yes, last night with Kipp playing 6 rotations, it seems totally illogical NOT to flip Baird to the L1 for the night. You have 2 hitters going off, and 3 hitters being kinda meh, and you have those 2 hitters right next to each other, so that each ends up taking sets away from the other one. Kipp started hot so Baird barely got set in the first; once they realized Baird was on fire and set her more, then Kipp barely got set. Meanwhile, you don't set the middle, the dump isn't that effective, you don't use the back row much, and thus you have two rotations (instead of one) where you have to set Francis a ton, even if she's not getting it done, because both your guns are in the back row.
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Post by tomclen on Nov 12, 2021 13:13:13 GMT -5
Francis seems to me to have a whole lot of upside potential. You see flashes of someone who could be absolutely dominant.
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Post by hammer on Nov 12, 2021 13:19:19 GMT -5
Stanford doesn’t set Baird from the back enough to have Francis at L1 They have Francis at L1 so that there's only one rotation where Francis (or Kipp) has to serve receive, instead of two rotations (if she were the L2). It's a common move when you use a DS for one of your OHs, and also for your Opp, and you want to minimize how often those hitters pass. But yes, when your L2 is a way better hitter, you need to set the pipe a little more than Stanford does to make that work. And last night, when you are all out of DSes, and your Opp is playing all 6 rotations anyway, the reason for putting Francis in the L1 completely disappears -- whether she's L1 or L2, she or Kipp need to pass in 3 rotations either way.
So yes, last night with Kipp playing 6 rotations, it seems totally illogical NOT to flip Baird to the L1 for the night. You have 2 hitters going off, and 3 hitters being kinda meh, and you have those 2 hitters right next to each other, so that each ends up taking sets away from the other one. Kipp started hot so Baird barely got set in the first; once they realized Baird was on fire and set her more, then Kipp barely got set. Meanwhile, you don't set the middle, the dump isn't that effective, you don't use the back row much, and thus you have two rotations (instead of one) where you have to set Francis a ton, even if she's not getting it done, because both your guns are in the back row.
Yes, was thinking the same thing last night as the House of Card collapsed. I mean, at least try it for one set. Coaches are conservative and they favor continuity, but in this case I think there was nothing to lose given that from the start it looked like U-Dub was clearly the better team analytically. |
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Post by wonderwarthog79 on Nov 12, 2021 13:33:03 GMT -5
If Francis finds her swing and hits over .300, Stanford wins a close match. If Francis hits under .300, Stanford loses. If Francis hits the way she has been lately, the Card gets swept in ugly fashion. Well, I'll stand by what I said. Francis ended up hitting 0.034, and we lost. I still feel if she would have hit .300, we would have won. Nothing wrong with feeling it, but I think you’re too focused on your prediction. Stanford’s passing was inconsistent at best and defense, meh. Francis has been a lousy OOS hitter,but was forced into that role frequently. Thanks to Baird and Kipp, the team hitting stats were excellent, but UW served and passed much better. That was the difference |
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Post by hammer on Nov 12, 2021 13:36:41 GMT -5
Francis seems to me to have a whole lot of upside potential. You see flashes of someone who could be absolutely dominant. Francis has many hitting sins: 1. Tips too deep 2. Tips too low 3. Runs under the ball resulting in weak easily diggable balls 4. HS hitting mentality -- hits too vertical and doesn't use high hands and doesn't think "tool" 5. Hardly ever hits line 6. Hits with a low shoulder 7. Starts her approach too close to the net If she cleams most of these up on consistent basis and does some weight and speed training, then yeah, she could be good hitter. To be fair I think MIner sets her too low sometimes and perhaps she needs a little slower/higher ball to the outside to gather herself and make a good approach. |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Nov 12, 2021 14:38:14 GMT -5
Set 1: Tied 20-20, UW closed it out 5-2. UW 3 kills - HDD. No errors. SU 2 kills - KB. 2 errors - KM.
Set 2: Tied 17-17, UW closed it out 8-3. UW 8 kills - HDBuDDBuGG. 2 errors - BuD. SU 2 kills = BB. No errors.
Set 4: Tied 16-16, UW closed it out 9-3. UW 6 kills - DBHPHH. 1 error - Ba. SU 2 kills - BF. 2 Errors - BK.
At the ends of Sets 1, 2, and 3, UW outscored SU 22-8.
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Post by hammer on Nov 12, 2021 15:13:04 GMT -5
Set 1: Tied 20-20, UW closed it out 5-2. UW 3 kills - HDD. No errors. SU 2 kills - KB. 2 errors - KM. Set 2: Tied 17-17, UW closed it out 8-3. UW 8 kills - HDBuDDBuGG. 2 errors - BuD. SU 2 kills = BB. No errors. Set 4: Tied 16-16, UW closed it out 9-3. UW 6 kills - DBHPHH. 1 error - Ba. SU 2 kills - BF. 2 Errors - BK. At the ends of Sets 1, 2, and 3, UW outscored SU 22-8. As a general rule, that's what young teams do vs experienced teams, they fold like cheap suits. Fortunately for U-Dub, Stanford seems to have followed the rule in at least 3 of the 4 sets played last night. |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Nov 12, 2021 16:26:38 GMT -5
Set 1: Tied 20-20, UW closed it out 5-2. UW 3 kills - HDD. No errors. SU 2 kills - KB. 2 errors - KM. Set 2: Tied 17-17, UW closed it out 8-3. UW 8 kills - HDBuDDBuGG. 2 errors - BuD. SU 2 kills = BB. No errors. Set 4: Tied 16-16, UW closed it out 9-3. UW 6 kills - DBHPHH. 1 error - Ba. SU 2 kills - BF. 2 Errors - BK. At the ends of Sets 1, 2, and 3, UW outscored SU 22-8. As a general rule, that's what young teams do vs experienced teams, they fold like cheap suits. Fortunately for U-Dub, Stanford seems to have followed the rule in at least 3 of the 4 sets played last night. Experience can trump talent. UW is young at two spots - OH (Bush/Endsley and L (Bays). SU is young in five spots (SO or FR) - OH (Baird), OH (Francis), L (Oglivie), MB (Vicini), and S (Miner). Only two fall into the experienced category (Kipp and Campbell). Stanford definitely has the "national" talent - we'll see how it develops. Another factor is "missing pieces". Stanford is all "hammers", but no "glue" (McClure). The Burgess/Howard/Bugg/Inky teams were all "nails", but no hammers (at the pins, anyway). UW looks to have filled their missing piece (Bays at Libero), and has their glue (Hoffman), but will have to replace their six-rotation "hammer" (Drechsel) next year. |
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Post by Cruz'n on Nov 12, 2021 17:23:41 GMT -5
Well, I'll stand by what I said. Francis ended up hitting 0.034, and we lost. I still feel if she would have hit .300, we would have won. Nothing wrong with feeling it, but I think you’re too focused on your prediction. Stanford’s passing was inconsistent at best and defense, meh. Francis has been a lousy OOS hitter,but was forced into that role frequently. Thanks to Baird and Kipp, the team hitting stats were excellent, but UW served and passed much better. That was the difference So you disagree? You think if Francis hit over .300, Stanford still would have lost? |
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Post by Cruz'n on Nov 12, 2021 17:45:19 GMT -5
Washington is clearly the better team, so Stanford would have had to play extremely well to beat them.
Card D simply isn't that good, so I feel they played pretty well yesterday; or in other words, near the top
of their potential.
One clear thing we could have done better: serving. Missing all those serves would have been acceptable,
if at least we could have put pressure on UW, and put them OOS more often. We really didn't apply any
service pressure on them at all.
Passing. Yes, we shanked a few passes. We are not a strong passing team. So again, we did not pass worse
than we normally do. Given the lineup we had, I think we did as well as we could expect. Washington served
well, hit their targets, applied a lot of pressure from the service line.
Miner is a great setter, who has a lot to learn before reaching her potential. She has great hands, gets to
the ball well, and generally puts the ball in a good hittable location. She missed her spot a few times, but
overall she sets it well. The team hit .331, which indicates the setter did a good job. She is a little too predictable,
but when you have Kipp and Baird, you set them even when everyone knows where the ball is going. She
mixed in some middle sets to good results, but could do more. Probably a few more pipes, as Kipp and Baird
are both really good pipe hitters.
Throughout the season, we have seen flashes of Francis' ability. If she could become more consistent, it
would help a ton.
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Post by stanfankev on Nov 15, 2021 19:41:27 GMT -5
So apparently the serving strategy was to either serve cupcakes to Bays or to serve it out? lol I don't understand.
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