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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 14, 2024 10:53:09 GMT -5
Colorado going 10-2 with that non-conference schedule? hmmmmm...... I said it'd be nice to. I didnt say they would. Who are you certain will beat them? CU lost their 3 best players (Hadrych, Howard, Tabron) and one in the mix for the next best (Kuehl) and their starting L (who was pretty weak but still better than the other options). Their serve receive and floor defense will likely be very weak. Lost most of their blocking. Setter is OK setting but a liability defensively. And then they replace basically the entire offense on top of that. To the good, they've got one serving sub with an absolute gem of a serve. I don't have them favored in any of those 6 matches.
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Post by volleyball303 on Jun 14, 2024 10:59:07 GMT -5
I said it'd be nice to. I didnt say they would. Who are you certain will beat them? CU lost their 3 best players (Hadrych, Howard, Tabron) and one in the mix for the next best (Kuehl) and their starting L (who was pretty weak but still better than the other options). Their serve receive and floor defense will likely be very weak. Lost most of their blocking. Setter is OK setting but a liability defensively. And then they replace basically the entire offense on top of that. To the good, they've got one serving sub with an absolute gem of a serve. I don't have them favored in any of those 6 matches. I agree I don’t see them being very strong. I don’t see anyone with enough power to put a ball down against top teams. Plus Jesse is not a good game time coach at all. That being said I thought they did have a libero transferring in who was a pretty big upgrade from what they had last year??
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Post by VolleyballFella on Jun 14, 2024 11:45:15 GMT -5
I said it'd be nice to. I didnt say they would. Who are you certain will beat them? CU lost their 3 best players (Hadrych, Howard, Tabron) and one in the mix for the next best (Kuehl) and their starting L (who was pretty weak but still better than the other options). Their serve receive and floor defense will likely be very weak. Lost most of their blocking. Setter is OK setting but a liability defensively. And then they replace basically the entire offense on top of that. To the good, they've got one serving sub with an absolute gem of a serve. I don't have them favored in any of those 6 matches. This is not completely accurate. I have a feeling CU will be better than you think. There ARE people to replace these losses, ya know. While Hadrych is definitely a loss at offense, the rest has likely been replaced equally -- if not better. The new L for CU was one of the best in the SEC (Auburn) before she transferred and is the highlight of Colorado's new team, and defense/passing was one of the main reasons CU didn't make the NCAA last year. Unlike last year, Morton will own the back row and there won't be as much issue with passing/defense. The new Polish MB is apparently very good and if there is anything CU is known for -- it's developing good blockers very well and very quickly. Kuehl and Howard were not that impactful at offense last year combined, and Payne will fill in on offense like she did last year as she continues to improve. I believe Payne played more than Kuehl last year anyway. She also has shown she is getting better at blocking. The 2 likely starters at OH (Burilovic and Jordan) can likely replace Hadyrch and Tabron almost equally. Burilovic has a similar style to Hadrych (very hard hitter with little fear, but not a lot of other hitting tools in the box), and with a ton of ceiling ahead of her (whereas Hadrych was at her ceiling), and definitely has better passing/defense than Hadrych. Hadrych was social media viral on her solo blocks, and I don't think Burilovic will match her blocking ever. Burilovic was just starting to get used to American playing and systems by the end of the season, and she has a great back row attack that Hadyrch never had. At times, she looked VERY good and just needs more consistency and playing time. She also played OH against some of the toughest teams when Hadrych was out. She was consistently the MVP of her European leagues and tournaments. Jordan is taller than last year's OH's and has been improving. She had that great match at Oregon last season when she subbed in and showed her potential when given the chance -- hitting almost .300 against a Top-10 team in Eugene. She has been a slight liability at serve receive, but she has shown she is improving. Campbell has been injured most of her career and can also step in, but she was a High School All-American and did a decent job as OH her Freshman year when she stepped in (and also played injured then). The OPP (Dwinnel) was a freshman last year and some great matches with a higher hitting % than a lot of other well-known PAC pin hitters, and she will continue to improve. I agree that the setter is mediocre at the Power 5 level and is definitely a liability defensively, but she is pretty consistent on placement and pace for the OH's to get used to. My guess is that Colorado will be as good as last year when everything is summed up. Better at defense and serve-receive, same at blocking, slightly worse at OH offense, same at setting, slightly worse at middle offense. CU's serving has also improved recently, and I see it even better next season. Obviously nothing proven with so many new faces and a lot of new line-up, so we shall see... but I think they have a lot more promise than one may think.
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Post by VolleyballFella on Jun 14, 2024 11:52:14 GMT -5
CU lost their 3 best players (Hadrych, Howard, Tabron) and one in the mix for the next best (Kuehl) and their starting L (who was pretty weak but still better than the other options). Their serve receive and floor defense will likely be very weak. Lost most of their blocking. Setter is OK setting but a liability defensively. And then they replace basically the entire offense on top of that. To the good, they've got one serving sub with an absolute gem of a serve. I don't have them favored in any of those 6 matches. I agree I don’t see them being very strong. I don’t see anyone with enough power to put a ball down against top teams. Plus Jesse is not a good game time coach at all. That being said I thought they did have a libero transferring in who was a pretty big upgrade from what they had last year?? Burilovic can put the ball down just as much as Hadrych. Needs a little more consistency and she will match her overall. Jordan will match Tabron on offense (if not better), but she also needs more real playing time for consistency as well. Jordan hit almost .300 against Oregon last year. The Auburn transfer L will be a huge boost for CU -- since that position was their main issue last season. The new polish Middle looks promising too. We agree that Jesse is not the best game-time coach, but they develop teams well on most fundamentals (minus floor defense). This pre-conference schedule is kind of tough with so many new faces, so we will have to see how it shakes out as they develop connections and gel.
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Post by JJVb on Jun 14, 2024 12:20:47 GMT -5
Yeah. There are alot of question marks, but I agree that players who played some last year looked pretty good. I think overall they have good potential. How fast can they come together will be the question and a reason they will take some losses. Lets hope just not too many.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 14, 2024 12:42:54 GMT -5
CU lost their 3 best players (Hadrych, Howard, Tabron) and one in the mix for the next best (Kuehl) and their starting L (who was pretty weak but still better than the other options). Their serve receive and floor defense will likely be very weak. Lost most of their blocking. Setter is OK setting but a liability defensively. And then they replace basically the entire offense on top of that. To the good, they've got one serving sub with an absolute gem of a serve. I don't have them favored in any of those 6 matches. This is not completely accurate. I have a feeling CU will be better than you think. There ARE people to replace these losses, ya know. While Hadrych is definitely a loss at offense, the rest has likely been replaced equally -- if not better. The new L for CU was one of the best in the SEC (Auburn) before she transferred and is the highlight of Colorado's new team, and defense/passing was one of the main reasons CU didn't make the NCAA last year. Unlike last year, Morton will own the back row and there won't be as much issue with passing/defense. The new Polish MB is apparently very good and if there is anything CU is known for -- it's developing good blockers very well and very quickly. Kuehl and Howard were not that impactful at offense last year combined, and Payne will fill in on offense like she did last year as she continues to improve. I believe Payne played more than Kuehl last year anyway. She also has shown she is getting better at blocking. The 2 likely starters at OH (Burilovic and Jordan) can likely replace Hadyrch and Tabron almost equally. Burilovic has a similar style to Hadrych (very hard hitter with little fear, but not a lot of other hitting tools in the box), and with a ton of ceiling ahead of her (whereas Hadrych was at her ceiling), and definitely has better passing/defense than Hadrych. Hadrych was social media viral on her solo blocks, and I don't think Burilovic will match her blocking ever. Burilovic was just starting to get used to American playing and systems by the end of the season, and she has a great back row attack that Hadyrch never had. At times, she looked VERY good and just needs more consistency and playing time. She also played OH against some of the toughest teams when Hadrych was out. She was consistently the MVP of her European leagues and tournaments. Jordan is taller than last year's OH's and has been improving. She had that great match at Oregon last season when she subbed in and showed her potential when given the chance -- hitting almost .300 against a Top-10 team in Eugene. She has been a slight liability at serve receive, but she has shown she is improving. Campbell has been injured most of her career and can also step in, but she was a High School All-American and did a decent job as OH her Freshman year when she stepped in (and also played injured then). The OPP (Dwinnel) was a freshman last year and some great matches with a higher hitting % than a lot of other well-known PAC pin hitters, and she will continue to improve. I agree that the setter is mediocre at the Power 5 level and is definitely a liability defensively, but she is pretty consistent on placement and pace for the OH's to get used to. My guess is that Colorado will be as good as last year when everything is summed up. Better at defense and serve-receive, same at blocking, slightly worse at OH offense, same at setting, slightly worse at middle offense. CU's serving has also improved recently, and I see it even better next season. Obviously nothing proven with so many new faces and a lot of new line-up, so we shall see... but I think they have a lot more promise than one may think. Burilovic hit .130 in conference play last year on a healthy # of swings (261) - less than half of Hadrych's efficiency. Jordan picked up 9 kills completely unscouted in a blow-out match where the other team lost focus. She would have played more if she had the ability to replace the offense. And that would just be replacement - they'd need to improve to get favored in all of those matches? Improvement in passing from the L needs to happen just to mitigate losing Tabron, who was their only decent passer. She can't pass the whole court. There a huge understatement of how good Howard was here. Also, Kuehl lost playing time primarily from being beat up not beat out. She was slow AF but CU's blocking scheme de-prioritizes laterally quickness anyways. I get you're a fan, but I still don't see them favored in those matches.
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Post by volleyball303 on Jun 14, 2024 12:56:13 GMT -5
I would take CU have 2 or 3 bad years if it meant getting a new coach. No reason CU should not be a top 25 team year in and year out.
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Post by ay2013 on Jun 14, 2024 12:58:08 GMT -5
Colorado going 10-2 with that non-conference schedule? hmmmmm...... I said it'd be nice to. I didnt say they would. Who are you certain will beat them? I give Georgia, Cal, Washington, CSU, and Miami a 60% chance or better of beating Colorado.
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Post by BumpSetKill on Jun 14, 2024 12:59:08 GMT -5
OVERALL: CU will have a very young team on the floor. Most will be Freshmen or Sophomores. Since most of them have high-level college playing experience already with some success, I can see them as a very good sleeper team that no one expected. However, if they don't mesh as a team quickly, it could be ugly. BURILOVIC: IF Burilovic can get past the block more often, she will be an ABSOLUTE BEAST. True that she is a lot like Hadrych (both hit hard and both got blocked too much), but she has a ton of potential to get better and just needs to play smarter with more volleyball IQ sometimes.
JORDAN: I have a feeling she will blossom this season. She didn't get to play much last season, but that great showing at Oregon match showed she can overcome nerves that I saw earlier in the season. She had a better overall hitting % than Tabron and Hadrych, but she didn't play much either.
MORTON & LIBERO: So glad we have a good L on the roster. Last year was just awful at this position, and a ton of points were lost because of the Libero. Probably the worst in a long time, and I DO LIKE that former Libero as a person. She's an awesome individual off the floor.
MIDDLES & BLOCKING: As always, CU will be fine at blocking. I hope the Polish middle (or whoever gains that position) will match Howard's offense. Payne will be even better after her good showing as a freshman. Just like Burilovic, she has the fire inside to be better and won't stop until she is. You don't see that kind of fire in a lot of scholarship Power 5 players.
SETTING: I feel like Simpson actually declined last year at setting. She was better the year before. Burilovic and Hadrych were powering at sets they shouldn't have and got trap blocked. That's also their fault on not knowing what to do with the ball they have, but Simpson didn't set them up well sometimes when she could have. Don't get me wrong, a bad pass is not going to produce a great set... but Simpson didn't better the ball too many times. Simpson has very pretty hands, but does need to work at placement and what her hitters want. She never really connected with Howard last year, but Howard still powered through. She needs to react quicker on floor defense.
SERVING: Obviously Bolles was one of the Top 2 servers in the PAC and will continue that. Jordan also has a great serve (better than the former OH's). Burilovic also has a nasty serve when it's in. I think the serving will improve. Last year was one of their best seasons on serve (but didn't make up for the libero and DS positions).
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Post by VolleyballFella on Jun 14, 2024 13:18:37 GMT -5
This is not completely accurate. I have a feeling CU will be better than you think. There ARE people to replace these losses, ya know. While Hadrych is definitely a loss at offense, the rest has likely been replaced equally -- if not better. The new L for CU was one of the best in the SEC (Auburn) before she transferred and is the highlight of Colorado's new team, and defense/passing was one of the main reasons CU didn't make the NCAA last year. Unlike last year, Morton will own the back row and there won't be as much issue with passing/defense. The new Polish MB is apparently very good and if there is anything CU is known for -- it's developing good blockers very well and very quickly. Kuehl and Howard were not that impactful at offense last year combined, and Payne will fill in on offense like she did last year as she continues to improve. I believe Payne played more than Kuehl last year anyway. She also has shown she is getting better at blocking. The 2 likely starters at OH (Burilovic and Jordan) can likely replace Hadyrch and Tabron almost equally. Burilovic has a similar style to Hadrych (very hard hitter with little fear, but not a lot of other hitting tools in the box), and with a ton of ceiling ahead of her (whereas Hadrych was at her ceiling), and definitely has better passing/defense than Hadrych. Hadrych was social media viral on her solo blocks, and I don't think Burilovic will match her blocking ever. Burilovic was just starting to get used to American playing and systems by the end of the season, and she has a great back row attack that Hadyrch never had. At times, she looked VERY good and just needs more consistency and playing time. She also played OH against some of the toughest teams when Hadrych was out. She was consistently the MVP of her European leagues and tournaments. Jordan is taller than last year's OH's and has been improving. She had that great match at Oregon last season when she subbed in and showed her potential when given the chance -- hitting almost .300 against a Top-10 team in Eugene. She has been a slight liability at serve receive, but she has shown she is improving. Campbell has been injured most of her career and can also step in, but she was a High School All-American and did a decent job as OH her Freshman year when she stepped in (and also played injured then). The OPP (Dwinnel) was a freshman last year and some great matches with a higher hitting % than a lot of other well-known PAC pin hitters, and she will continue to improve. I agree that the setter is mediocre at the Power 5 level and is definitely a liability defensively, but she is pretty consistent on placement and pace for the OH's to get used to. My guess is that Colorado will be as good as last year when everything is summed up. Better at defense and serve-receive, same at blocking, slightly worse at OH offense, same at setting, slightly worse at middle offense. CU's serving has also improved recently, and I see it even better next season. Obviously nothing proven with so many new faces and a lot of new line-up, so we shall see... but I think they have a lot more promise than one may think. Burilovic hit .130 in conference play last year on a healthy # of swings (261) - less than half of Hadrych's efficiency. Jordan picked up 9 kills completely unscouted in a blow-out match where the other team lost focus. She would have played more if she had the ability to replace the offense. And that would just be replacement - they'd need to improve to get favored in all of those matches? Improvement in passing from the L needs to happen just to mitigate losing Tabron, who was their only decent passer. She can't pass the whole court. There a huge understatement of how good Howard was here. Also, Kuehl lost playing time primarily from being beat up not beat out. She was slow AF but CU's blocking scheme de-prioritizes laterally quickness anyways. I get you're a fan, but I still don't see them favored in those matches. Yes, I knew you would point out Burilovic's hitting percentage... but she didn't have as nearly as much experience as Hadrych, and she comes from a whole other system. Just like with your reasons to counteract my points, I have them too. Coach also often took her out very early if she wasn't playing well, so she regularly didn't have a chance to clean up the bad numbers like many OH's do as the match progresses. Burilovic should be considerably better, and I have seen it recently. Jordan just didn't have the opportunity over seniors that have secured their spots as far as coach is concerned. Jordan passes almost as well as Tabron. Burilovic passes at least the same (probably better) than Tabron, and definitely Hadrych (when Hadrych did play back row). The formerly young D/S team will have more experience too... so yeah, they should be better in overall floor defense and passing with a good Libero now on the squad. Last year's L had a lot of bad passes and bad defense when they should have been somewhat easy ups, and other teams literally served her on purpose (which is usually unheard of for L position). Before Howard came on last year, there wasn't much talk about her making much difference based on history (she didn't at North Carolina for multiple reasons). Then she did at CU. CU will likely prove they are competitive at Middle again. I get that you know that I'm a fan, but I'm also realistic and logical here. Not expecting CU to be an elite team, but better than most might think with all of the "loss".
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Post by ay2013 on Jun 14, 2024 13:39:44 GMT -5
Burilovic hit .130 in conference play last year on a healthy # of swings (261) - less than half of Hadrych's efficiency. Jordan picked up 9 kills completely unscouted in a blow-out match where the other team lost focus. She would have played more if she had the ability to replace the offense. And that would just be replacement - they'd need to improve to get favored in all of those matches? Improvement in passing from the L needs to happen just to mitigate losing Tabron, who was their only decent passer. She can't pass the whole court. There a huge understatement of how good Howard was here. Also, Kuehl lost playing time primarily from being beat up not beat out. She was slow AF but CU's blocking scheme de-prioritizes laterally quickness anyways. I get you're a fan, but I still don't see them favored in those matches. Yes, I knew you would point out Burilovic's hitting percentage... but she didn't have as nearly as much experience as Hadrych, and she comes from a whole other system. Just like with your reasons to counteract my points, I have them too. Coach also often took her out very early if she wasn't playing well, so she regularly didn't have a chance to clean up the bad numbers like many OH's do as the match progresses. Burilovic should be considerably better, and I have seen it recently. Jordan just didn't have the opportunity over seniors that have secured their spots as far as coach is concerned. Jordan passes almost as well as Tabron. Burilovic passes at least the same (probably better) than Tabron, and definitely Hadrych (when Hadrych did play back row). The formerly young D/S team will have more experience too... so yeah, they should be better in overall floor defense and passing with a good Libero now on the squad. Last year's L had a lot of bad passes and bad defense when they should have been somewhat easy ups, and other teams literally served her on purpose (which is usually unheard of for L position). Before Howard came on last year, there wasn't much talk about her making much difference based on history (she didn't at North Carolina for multiple reasons). Then she did at CU. CU will likely prove they are competitive at Middle again. I get that you know that I'm a fan, but I'm also realistic and logical here. Not expecting CU to be an elite team, but better than most might think with all of the "loss". C4 (and certainly not I) is not saying that Colorado will be bad. I don't expect Colorado to be some push over, but that is a completely different standard than saying that we think Colorado should be favored in the non-conference matchups JJVB mentioned. I think we are appropriately rating Colorado, perhaps it is ya'll who are underrating teams like Washington, Georgia, Cal, and Colorado State.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 14, 2024 13:40:53 GMT -5
Yes, I knew you would point out Burilovic's hitting percentage... but she didn't have as nearly as much experience as Hadrych, and she comes from a whole other system. Just like with your reasons to counteract my points, I have them too. Coach also often took her out very early if she wasn't playing well, so she regularly didn't have a chance to clean up the bad numbers like many OH's do as the match progresses. Burilovic should be considerably better, and I have seen it recently. Jordan just didn't have the opportunity over seniors that have secured their spots as far as coach is concerned. Jordan passes almost as well as Tabron. Burilovic passes at least the same (probably better) than Tabron, and definitely Hadrych (when Hadrych did play back row). The formerly young D/S team will have more experience too... so yeah, they should be better in overall floor defense and passing with a good Libero now on the squad. Last year's L had a lot of bad passes and bad defense when they should have been somewhat easy ups, and other teams literally served her on purpose (which is usually unheard of for L position). Before Howard came on last year, there wasn't much talk about her making much difference based on history (she didn't at North Carolina for multiple reasons). Then she did at CU. CU will likely prove they are competitive at Middle again. I get that you know that I'm a fan, but I'm also realistic and logical here. Not expecting CU to be an elite team, but better than most might think with all of the "loss". C4 (and certainly not I) is not saying that Colorado will be bad. I don't expect Colorado to be some push over, but that is a completely different standard than saying that we think Colorado should be favored in the non-conference matchups JJVB mentioned. I think we are appropriately rating Colorado, perhaps it is ya'll who are underrating teams like Washington, Georgia, Cal, and Colorado State. They do this every year until late September/early October.
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Post by BumpSetKill on Jun 14, 2024 13:51:30 GMT -5
Yes, I knew you would point out Burilovic's hitting percentage... but she didn't have as nearly as much experience as Hadrych, and she comes from a whole other system. Just like with your reasons to counteract my points, I have them too. Coach also often took her out very early if she wasn't playing well, so she regularly didn't have a chance to clean up the bad numbers like many OH's do as the match progresses. Burilovic should be considerably better, and I have seen it recently. Jordan just didn't have the opportunity over seniors that have secured their spots as far as coach is concerned. Jordan passes almost as well as Tabron. Burilovic passes at least the same (probably better) than Tabron, and definitely Hadrych (when Hadrych did play back row). The formerly young D/S team will have more experience too... so yeah, they should be better in overall floor defense and passing with a good Libero now on the squad. Last year's L had a lot of bad passes and bad defense when they should have been somewhat easy ups, and other teams literally served her on purpose (which is usually unheard of for L position). Before Howard came on last year, there wasn't much talk about her making much difference based on history (she didn't at North Carolina for multiple reasons). Then she did at CU. CU will likely prove they are competitive at Middle again. I get that you know that I'm a fan, but I'm also realistic and logical here. Not expecting CU to be an elite team, but better than most might think with all of the "loss". C4 (and certainly not I) is not saying that Colorado will be bad. I don't expect Colorado to be some push over, but that is a completely different standard than saying that we think Colorado should be favored in the non-conference matchups JJVB mentioned. I think we are appropriately rating Colorado, perhaps it is ya'll who are underrating teams like Washington, Georgia, Cal, and Colorado State. Except I never said Colorado is favored in any non-conference game. All I said is they will likely be better than most think. However, I do think a few of these "6" specific non-conference games are more of a toss-up to me than a likely loss.
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Post by VolleyballFella on Jun 14, 2024 13:57:43 GMT -5
C4 (and certainly not I) is not saying that Colorado will be bad. I don't expect Colorado to be some push over, but that is a completely different standard than saying that we think Colorado should be favored in the non-conference matchups JJVB mentioned. I think we are appropriately rating Colorado, perhaps it is ya'll who are underrating teams like Washington, Georgia, Cal, and Colorado State. Except I never said Colorado is favored in any non-conference game. All I said is they will likely be better than most think. However, I do think a few of these "6" specific non-conference games are more of a toss-up to me than a likely loss. Same. I didn't say that CU would win all these non-conference games. I do think they have a good chance to win all of them though with all of these 6 opponents. Coming out 3-4 on these 7 matches would be realistic to me. If it was Texas, obviously it's a very good chance of a loss... but these are not Top 15 opponents as of now. As JJVB said, lots of question marks.
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Post by ay2013 on Jun 14, 2024 13:59:30 GMT -5
C4 (and certainly not I) is not saying that Colorado will be bad. I don't expect Colorado to be some push over, but that is a completely different standard than saying that we think Colorado should be favored in the non-conference matchups JJVB mentioned. I think we are appropriately rating Colorado, perhaps it is ya'll who are underrating teams like Washington, Georgia, Cal, and Colorado State. Except I never said Colorado is favored in any non-conference game. All I said is they will likely be better than most think. However, I do think a few of these "6" specific non-conference games are more of a toss-up to me than a likely loss. I'll give you Wyoming and Miami as a "toss up", but only because Wyoming is losing their leading scorer and Miami is replacing their setter...other than that, just on paper, I give Washington, Cal, Georgia, and CSU a much greater chance of winning against Colorado.
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