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Post by sclawman on Nov 19, 2021 5:57:35 GMT -5
Go Cougs! Been a fan since South Carolina defeated them first match of the season. Keep it up.
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Post by rightsideonly on Nov 19, 2021 6:11:54 GMT -5
Congratulations to WSU for their fine win.
WSU's two middle hitters and their right side hitter had more kills individually that each of the two WSU outside hitters. WSU's setter has just as many kills ( 9 ) as their leading outside hitter. I don' remember ever seeing a match like this.
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Post by tomclen on Nov 19, 2021 7:22:48 GMT -5
Cougs > Ducks > Bruins.
Well, the PAC is really easy to figure out this year!
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Post by topspin on Nov 19, 2021 13:51:18 GMT -5
The coaching staff at WSU continues to impress me. They are without their two best outside hitters, yet consistently compete with the best in the country. What other team could do that? And look at the improvement during the season. I get so sick of people making excuses for teams like Stanford and UCLA.
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Post by bigfan on Nov 19, 2021 13:58:54 GMT -5
When Jehlarova plays like a 1st team All American WSU is as good as anybody in the Pac-12.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2021 14:10:46 GMT -5
The coaching staff at WSU continues to impress me. They are without their two best outside hitters, yet consistently compete with the best in the country. What other team could do that? And look at the improvement during the season. I get so sick of people making excuses for teams like Stanford and UCLA. it really is impressive |
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Post by basil on Nov 19, 2021 14:13:24 GMT -5
The coaching staff at WSU continues to impress me. They are without their two best outside hitters, yet consistently compete with the best in the country. What other team could do that? And look at the improvement during the season. I get so sick of people making excuses for teams like Stanford and UCLA. Greeny has to be the front runner for Coach of the Year in the Pac...who else could it be? Tomasevic? |
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Post by baytree on Nov 19, 2021 15:33:16 GMT -5
The coaching staff at WSU continues to impress me. They are without their two best outside hitters, yet consistently compete with the best in the country. What other team could do that? And look at the improvement during the season. I get so sick of people making excuses for teams like Stanford and UCLA. I'm impressed too but a nit-pick. Greeny has done an exceptional job over the last few years. Nitpick: Stanford just beat WSU. WSU was without Timmer and Dalton but Stanford was without their four best setters for most of the match, the player fans thought would be their best or 2nd best MB (but who has been injured all season), their 3rd or 4th best MB (who was their best blocker, played regularly when she was healthy, but has also been injured almost all season), their 3rd best OH/1st or 2nd best utility player, and their best DS. Normally, the last two wouldn't be that important but ppl lower on the depth chart played for the WSU match (and other recent matches)> Also, Stanford struggles on floor defense (which we criticize regularly) so the DS is important. I thought the injuries on both teams were fairly even and, if anything, were overall slightly worse for Stanford. I guess I don't see ppl making excuses for Stanford. Many fans seem moderately unhappy, though many of us are mostly concerned with all the injuries that we've had this season and last. If anything, fans of other teams are giving Stanford fans a hard time for being this critical of the team. ETA: I didn't address UCLA. bwf2 or another UCLA fan can do a much better job than I can if they want to address that. |
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Post by uncommitted on Nov 19, 2021 15:54:04 GMT -5
Cougs > Ducks > Bruins. Well, the PAC is really easy to figure out this year! Right? In fact it can go full circle: Cougs > Ducks > Bruins>Utes> Huskies > Trees > cougs |
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 19, 2021 16:02:06 GMT -5
The coaching staff at WSU continues to impress me. They are without their two best outside hitters, yet consistently compete with the best in the country. What other team could do that? And look at the improvement during the season. I get so sick of people making excuses for teams like Stanford and UCLA. I'm impressed too but a nit-pick. Greeny has done an exceptional job over the last few years. Nitpick: Stanford just beat WSU. WSU was without Timmer and Dalton but Stanford was without their four best setters for most of the match, the player fans thought would be their best or 2nd best MB (but who has been injured all season), their 3rd or 4th best MB (who was their best blocker and has also been injured almost all season), their 3rd best OH/1st or 2nd best utility player, and their best DS. Normally, the last two wouldn't be that important but ppl lower on the depth chart played for the WSU match (and other recent matches)> Also, Stanford struggles on floor defense (which we criticize regularly) so the DS is important. I thought the injuries on both teams were fairly even and, if anything, were overall slightly worse for Stanford. I guess I don't see ppl making excuses for Stanford. Many fans seem moderately unhappy, though many of us are mostly concerned with all the injuries that we've had this season and last. If anything, fans of other teams are giving Stanford fans a hard time for being this critical of the team. ETA: I didn't address UCLA. bwf2 or another UCLA fan can do a much better job than I can if they want to address that. I will point out that WSU lost Timmer at Cal. They had literally two days (and not even a single minute in their home gym) to figure out what to do about it before they played Stanford. After this, they had most of a week at home to get used to the idea and work around the missing Timmer. When Stanford first lost those players they went 0-2 in Arizona. But by the time they played WSU they had some experience playing without Miner, and were able to adapt to it better (except for the one set where they couldn't put Tufuga in Miner's spot because she had already been used as a server before Miner got hurt). And if you think Stanford fans didn't point out all their missing players when they lost those matches in Arizona, I don't know what Stanford fans you are talking about. The ones on Volleytalk sure did. And I think it was perfectly reasonable to "make excuses" in this way. |
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Post by baytree on Nov 19, 2021 16:09:48 GMT -5
I'm impressed too but a nit-pick. Greeny has done an exceptional job over the last few years. Nitpick: Stanford just beat WSU. WSU was without Timmer and Dalton but Stanford was without their four best setters for most of the match, the player fans thought would be their best or 2nd best MB (but who has been injured all season), their 3rd or 4th best MB (who was their best blocker and has also been injured almost all season), their 3rd best OH/1st or 2nd best utility player, and their best DS. Normally, the last two wouldn't be that important but ppl lower on the depth chart played for the WSU match (and other recent matches)> Also, Stanford struggles on floor defense (which we criticize regularly) so the DS is important. I thought the injuries on both teams were fairly even and, if anything, were overall slightly worse for Stanford. I guess I don't see ppl making excuses for Stanford. Many fans seem moderately unhappy, though many of us are mostly concerned with all the injuries that we've had this season and last. If anything, fans of other teams are giving Stanford fans a hard time for being this critical of the team. ETA: I didn't address UCLA. bwf2 or another UCLA fan can do a much better job than I can if they want to address that. I will point out that WSU lost Timmer at Cal. They had literally two days (and not even a single minute in their home gym) to figure out what to do about it before they played Stanford. After this, they had most of a week at home to get used to the idea and work around the missing Timmer. When Stanford first lost those players they went 0-2 in Arizona. But by the time they played WSU they had some experience playing without Miner, and were able to adapt to it better (except for the one set where they couldn't put Tufuga in Miner's spot because she had already been used as a server before Miner got hurt). I agree. But Ung did an excellent job after the first set, where she really struggled. She ended up with the most kills for WSU. (15 for Ung, 10 for Tusa who had the second most kills.) Ung played professionally as an opposite (tho not many matches) so it's not like they didn't have a good replacement. In addition to the players out for WSU, Kipp was also out for the Arizonas. She's really important and that's a big reason Stanford struggled there. Francis is good but she's still learning how to be a pin and Berty isn't nearly as good as Kipp. Maybe you can give some examples of ppl making excuses for Stanford or UCLA when they have players out. ETA: You edited your post to add one example. I agree that Stanford fans made excuses there. I think they were surprised that it took the announcer so long to say anything about Kipp being out (dont think it was mentioned until the last set) bc, to me at least, that was at least as big a loss as Miner. Then they were surprised when ASU's announcers were so excited when ASU won bc Stanford was missing so many players. I wasn't. IIRC ASU hadn't beaten Stanford since 1999 so of course they're going to be excited. Take it as a compliment as a Stanford fan, not something odd about ASU. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 19, 2021 16:14:54 GMT -5
The coaching staff at WSU continues to impress me. They are without their two best outside hitters, yet consistently compete with the best in the country. What other team could do that? And look at the improvement during the season. I get so sick of people making excuses for teams like Stanford and UCLA. Greeny has to be the front runner for Coach of the Year in the Pac...who else could it be? Tomasevic? I've already discussed this before, but we should have long since moved past always saying Greeny must be coach of the year in order to win at WSU. She's been doing it for quite a while now. It just shouldn't be surprising anymore. And yeah, they are doing it with players she recruited, which is part of what she has done there. But I would be more inclined to select Sealy this year. Or possibly Cook again, especially if the Huskies end up winning outright. I mean, UW is winning the conference again this year (to date so far) and does not have May or Drews. It's hard to win the conference without having either of the clear POY candidates. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2021 16:27:27 GMT -5
Sounds like there was a heated exchange in the Oregon huddle after the match last night. Coaches and players getting into it. That can be a good thing if it helps clear the air.
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Post by tomclen on Nov 19, 2021 16:44:22 GMT -5
Sounds like there was a heated exchange in the Oregon huddle after the match last night. Coaches and players getting into it. That can be a good thing if it helps clear the air. Details, please. |
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Post by pbmu on Nov 19, 2021 17:06:46 GMT -5
Sounds like there was a heated exchange in the Oregon huddle after the match last night. Coaches and players getting into it. That can be a good thing if it helps clear the air. Ooop now that’s tea |
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