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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 23:01:26 GMT -5
Love both teams but pulling for the Huskers! GBR!
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Post by gibbyb1 on Nov 25, 2021 23:15:24 GMT -5
Thanks for explaining! That seems a little odd if you have to wait to see how another team does before celebrating?? Anyways.. this will be an interesting series of games then! Other than the 'normal' amount of celebrating that would follow any win over Nebraska, there won't be any hoisting of trophies or passing out 'championship' hats and t-shirts, etc. Should it reach that point, that will happen after the Saturday match against Indiana. First, because the championship won't be won until Saturday. And second, because Sheffield would never disrespect an opponent that way. In 2019 in advance of the first weekend's NCAA tournament matches, each of the four teams held open-to-the-public practices. Wisconsin was playing Illinois State on Friday, and figured to be facing UCLA (and Mac May) the next night. So how much time did Sheffield and the Badgers spend during the Thursday open-practice talking about UCLA? Not one second. Every bit of the practice spend on specifically preparing for a particular team was spent on Illinois State. Sheffield respects the opponent, and takes nothing for granted. Celebrations of a championship will happen when the championship has been won, and not before. A lot of teams in that situation will prepare for their likely second match first earlier in week and then the first match so it’s fresh. Kelly is a great coach and would never look past an opponent, but I’d probably bet they spent more time that week preparing for Bruins. |
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Post by azsker on Nov 26, 2021 0:29:36 GMT -5
unfortunately, it becomes a lot more of Hames vs. Hilley in this match-up, IMO. Meaning I think it has a bigger impact on the outcome. Or fortunately...but wait! I thought NE fans really, really like their all-conference, all-american setter? At least that's what I got when I said her placement was...questionable, at best. idk what you’re talking about so take it up with whoever you’re attempting to make a passive aggressive comment with.. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 8:50:36 GMT -5
Nebraska has closed the talent gap that's existed between the two teams over the past couple of seasons. In 2019 and 2020, Wisconsin had clear advantages at setter, libero, and opposite and slight advantages elsewhere. This season, the Badgers still have a clear advantage at setter, but everywhere else is even.
My guess is Wisconsin coughs up a set, but still wins in four. Winning a set from Wisky is something that the Huskers haven't done since 2018. So.....baby steps.
The teams are even enough that if let's say Hilley has an off day, a Husker victory wouldn't be shocking. Unexpected yes, shocking no.
Unfortunately it appears Big Red is staring at a third place finish in the conference. The Boilers are the hottest team in the conference so the chances of a victory in West Lafayette tomorrow are not likely.
If you would have told me the Huskers would place third in the B1G after the Louisville match, I would have taken it. Now, being in first on the last weekend of conference play, a third place finish will be a disappointment.
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Post by volleyboy12 on Nov 26, 2021 9:48:29 GMT -5
Happy game day! I need 4:30 here pronto.
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Post by ted_heise on Nov 26, 2021 9:56:37 GMT -5
Nebraska has closed the talent gap that's existed between the two teams over the past couple of seasons. In 2019 and 2020, Wisconsin had clear advantages at setter, libero, and opposite and slight advantages elsewhere. This season, the Badgers still have a clear advantage at setter, but everywhere else is even. My guess is Wisconsin coughs up a set, but still wins in four. Winning a set from Wisky is something that the Huskers haven't done since 2018. So.....baby steps. The teams are even enough that if let's say Hilley has an off day, a Husker victory wouldn't be shocking. Unexpected yes, shocking no. Unfortunately it appears Big Red is staring at a third place finish in the conference. The Boilers are the hottest team in the conference so the chances of a victory in West Lafayette tomorrow are not likely. If you would have told me the Huskers would place third in the B1G after the Louisville match, I would have taken it. Now, being in first on the last weekend of conference play, a third place finish will be a disappointment. Good assessment, IMO.
I would love to see this Cornhusker squad get a W over the Badgers. They've worked so hard, and have been stymied at every opportunity over the last few years.
Either way, it's been great to see these players lay it all out there game in and game out. They've been a pleasure to watch in no small measure because they wear their hearts on their sleeves. Coach Cook might prefer a bit more consistent seriousness in the task at hand when they play, but they make it obvious they are all in--and the light-hearted camaraderie that bubbles up at times is just part of who they are.
Go Big Red!
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Post by BuckysHeat on Nov 26, 2021 10:26:13 GMT -5
We are overdue for a really good solid badger performance. It’s been a while. I would love to see the badgers take the reigns rather than back into a championship, as happened in 2019. But I also feel like the chances of it happening against Nebraska for the 6th time in a row seems really unlikely. At this point, just hoping for a good performance from both teams so the match can live up to its billing as a potential B1G championship match. I see this a lot here, "Hard to beat somebody 3X in a season" and other similar clichés. No, it really isn't true. I saw a link which put together all of the NFL games going back to the AFL/NFL merger in 1970. 21 times a team has won the first to games and then they met in the playoffs. Of those 21 instances, the team which won the first 2 won the third 14 times . |
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Post by stanfordnebraskafan on Nov 26, 2021 10:30:13 GMT -5
If Good Nicklin shows up, I'm predicting a 3-2 Husker victory.
If Bad Nicklin shows up, I think it'll be 3-1 Wisconsin victory.
Hilley is the superior setter, but the other pieces seem about equal. I would love to see Whit get some playing time, she seems like an unaccounted for variable. Would also like to see Smrek play. I think Hames is the biggest variable in this match up though, if she gets Kubik and Krause hittable sets, I think we can win. But if she trap sets Caffey and sets Knuckles on perfect passes, I think we have no chance.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Nov 26, 2021 11:03:00 GMT -5
Looking back through wisconsin's history, they have had a situation 14 times where they played an opponent 3 times in a season and one of the two teams had won the first two matches. In those 14 specific situations, the team which won the first 2 also won the third 13 times. The only instance in which a losing team won the third match was Northwestern in 1979 where the Badgers won the first two and NW won the next 3 matches (Yes, they played 5X that year).
Wis record in these situations:
Illinois (1980, 1982, 1990): Wisconsin is 1-2
Michigan (1985): Wisconsin is 0-1
Michigan St (1981, 2001): Wisconsin is 1-1
Nebraska (2019): Wisconsin is 1-0
Northwestern (1979, 1980, 1983): Wisconsin is 0-3 (1979 wis lost overall series 2-3)
Ohio State (2014, 2016): Wisconsin is 2-0
Penn State (1996, 2013): Wisconsin is 0-2
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Post by greatlakesvballer on Nov 26, 2021 11:10:53 GMT -5
Dear Badger Block: Please show up at the Field House today at 4:30 p.m. sharp...and stay for as long as you are needed. Thanks.
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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 26, 2021 11:13:29 GMT -5
We are overdue for a really good solid badger performance. It’s been a while. I would love to see the badgers take the reigns rather than back into a championship, as happened in 2019. But I also feel like the chances of it happening against Nebraska for the 6th time in a row seems really unlikely. At this point, just hoping for a good performance from both teams so the match can live up to its billing as a potential B1G championship match. Wisconsin doesn't have to win "six in a row"; the odds of that would certainly be low. But the odds of that are low because winning the first five is very difficult. Wisconsin only has to win one more tomorrow. And the odds of that are 50-50, or better than 50-50, because Wisconsin is at home. Or better than that because these teams met earlier this year and Wisconsin beat them.... The odds of "six in a row" don't all shift to the 6th match when the first five have been played. That's not how probabilities work. It's just one more, and it carries the chances of just one match. I know how independent joint probabilities work, but I don't think these probabilities are independent. I think there is some conditionality on prior outcomes and I think the badgers are in a different place than in prior situations that could amplify those conditionalities. Based on prior matches, they are improving but not quite there in getting this new lineup locked in - they are also still prone to long periods of error prone play. That's where my concern as a fan comes from. I personally hope they just keep improving, and that the home environment gets them really dialed in rather than feeling the pressure. Maybe this is the match in which they look really comfortable the whole time! |
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Post by robtearle on Nov 26, 2021 11:16:54 GMT -5
Wisconsin doesn't have to win "six in a row"; the odds of that would certainly be low. But the odds of that are low because winning the first five is very difficult. Wisconsin only has to win one more tomorrow. And the odds of that are 50-50, or better than 50-50, because Wisconsin is at home. Or better than that because these teams met earlier this year and Wisconsin beat them.... The odds of "six in a row" don't all shift to the 6th match when the first five have been played. That's not how probabilities work. It's just one more, and it carries the chances of just one match. I know how independent joint probabilities work, but I don't think these probabilities are independent. I think there is some conditionality on prior outcomes and I think the badgers are in a different place than in prior situations that could amplify those conditionalities. Based on prior matches, they are improving but not quite there in getting this new lineup locked in - they are also still prone to long periods of error prone play. That's where my concern as a fan comes from. I personally hope they just keep improving, and that the home environment gets them really dialed in rather than feeling the pressure. Maybe this is the match in which they look really comfortable the whole time! That may or may not be true. But it has little if anything to do with "six in a row" vs Nebraska. What does an October 2019 match have to do with today? |
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Post by B1GHuskerGuy on Nov 26, 2021 11:33:14 GMT -5
NEED TO WIN THE CLOSE SETS!!!! How many sets have we lost to Wisconsin in this losing streak by 2 points? TOO MANY!
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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 26, 2021 11:39:36 GMT -5
I know how independent joint probabilities work, but I don't think these probabilities are independent. I think there is some conditionality on prior outcomes and I think the badgers are in a different place than in prior situations that could amplify those conditionalities. Based on prior matches, they are improving but not quite there in getting this new lineup locked in - they are also still prone to long periods of error prone play. That's where my concern as a fan comes from. I personally hope they just keep improving, and that the home environment gets them really dialed in rather than feeling the pressure. Maybe this is the match in which they look really comfortable the whole time! That may or may not be true. But it has little if anything to do with "six in a row" vs Nebraska. What does an October 2019 match have to do with today? Regression to mean. The teams vary in performance over time, and I'd argue that the badgers were playing above their mean in 2019 and the first match of 2021 and the huskers were a bit below their typical level. Based on recent play I think they drifted back toward each other, for various reasons - injuries, form, etc. If the badgers were the 2000s Nittany Lions, I might have a different viewpoint, but there is no particular reason the badgers should continue to be so consistently better than the huskers forever, given injuries and recruiting. The badgers have been bleeding sets as well with their inconsistency within matches. I just don't see a 6th straight sweep based on that. |
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Post by mcmike on Nov 26, 2021 11:46:34 GMT -5
Looking forward to a good B1G battle The Louisville Pitt match can be seen as a harbinger: Pitt had just a little less margin for error and were not able to overcome that margin. Here, NEB has a little less margin for error imo, the team that applies the most service pressure to limit the opponent's FBSO will have an advantage. I wish team passing stats were more readily available for fans of NCAA VB. The setter who has more multiple options is likely to be congratulating the loser at the end of the match for a good fight. If Demps has the kind of match she had vs. MN then the Badgers will be very hard to beat. can't like vbdiva2's analysis enough. volleytalk.proboards.com/user/26041/recentin general, B1G coaches tend to not be very creative. The upper echelon teams don't need fancy to do well. Then tourney time comes and mostly vanilla is too often not quite enough. |
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