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Post by nellynel on Dec 7, 2021 15:24:26 GMT -5
I can never hear or read the phrase Horse$hit without thinking of Officer Clark in Hollywood Knights. Lol
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Post by ay2013 on Dec 7, 2021 15:29:43 GMT -5
Color me still annoyed about the UW bracket. Sure, I'm ok with them playing Texas....you've got to beat the best if you want a title. And I'm listing Texas as the best, or pretty close to it. But I'll die on the hill of insisting that conference standings (in a mostly balanced conference) should take precedent over seeding. Washington won the conference by 1 full game over UCLA. The two teams met twice and split...winning on each others courts. And every one yammers on about OOC. Well, out of conference, UW played AT Ohio State, AT Illinois and AT Pepperdine Their only loss was OSU. UCLA played Georgia Tech in Long Beach and played at San Diego. They lost to San Diego. So why wasn't UW seeded above UCLA? Oh, some "experts" eye test, or the nitty-gritty or some other horsesh-t that makes not a lick of sense. Hey, I still think UCLA could be the surprise of the tournament - especially if Luper is 100% - they could win it all. But seeding UCLA above UW - and more importantly putting UW at 15th seed was a sham. And, like any good VT poster, I insist that you don't bother rebutting any of this, because I'm not listening.  I don't have a big issue with UCLA being seeded above UW. Frankly, in unbalanced conference schedules, I think suggesting that conference standings should take *precedent* over seeding is kinda faulty. I also don't have that big of an issue if SOS in the non-conference was a major deciding factor (it would also explain Florida). But if that's the case, then Pitt should have been over Texas, you can't justify Purdue being seeded above Kentucky, and BYU at 11 makes zero sense. |
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Post by ay2013 on Dec 7, 2021 15:38:52 GMT -5
Washington fans are lucky Montana state didn’t finish off that 5th set or UW wouldn’t even have a seed lol. Schedule better in the non con and win some big matches Yeah, we should get Marquette on the schedule. That will impress the committee! If recent history is any example, a team doesn't even need to WIN in the non-conference. Losing against very good teams can still yield a very good seed. Wisconsin went 0-4 against top 25 teams non-conference and was still given a top 4 seed. |
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Post by isaacspaceman on Dec 7, 2021 15:47:21 GMT -5
Washington fans are lucky Montana state didn’t finish off that 5th set or UW wouldn’t even have a seed lol. Schedule better in the non con and win some big matches Yeah, we should get Marquette on the schedule. That will impress the committee! If recent history is any example, a team doesn't even need to WIN in the non-conference. Losing against very good teams can still yield a very good seed. Wisconsin went 0-4 against top 25 teams non-conference and was still given a top 4 seed. Somehow I don’t think the committee would be as forgiving to a Pac-12 team with four non-conference top-25 losses. They could sweep the Pac and still get an 8-9 seed. |
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Post by tomclen on Dec 7, 2021 16:02:10 GMT -5
OOC
UCLA lost to San Diego
UW lost to Illinois
UCLA beat Georgia Tech (on a neutral court)
UW won AT Illinois.
Conference
UW had 3 losses, all to teams that made the tournament (including UCLA).
UCLA had 4 losses, (including UW) and lost to two teams that did not make the tournament.
So explain to me, like you're talking to a first-grader, why UCLA got a higher seed.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Dec 7, 2021 16:04:44 GMT -5
OOC UCLA lost to San Diego UW lost to Illinois UCLA beat Georgia Tech (on a neutral court) UW won AT Illinois. Conference UW had 3 losses, all to teams that made the tournament (including UCLA). UCLA had 4 losses, (including UW) and lost to two teams that did not make the tournament. So explain to me, like you're talking to a first-grader, why UCLA got a higher seed. UCLA had a Top 10 win. UW didn't. 4/8 UW opponents had losing records (and a fifth was barely .500), while only 2/8 UCLA ones did. UW actually got lucky Portland cancelled. Hell, if Iowa had cancelled too UW might have gotten a top 10 seed. |
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Post by pnwvb on Dec 7, 2021 16:05:16 GMT -5
UW did not lose to Illinois this year, they lost to Ohio State
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Post by stevehorn on Dec 7, 2021 16:05:24 GMT -5
Washington fans are lucky Montana state didn’t finish off that 5th set or UW wouldn’t even have a seed lol. Schedule better in the non con and win some big matches Yeah, we should get Marquette on the schedule. That will impress the committee! If recent history is any example, a team doesn't even need to WIN in the non-conference. Losing against very good teams can still yield a very good seed. Wisconsin went 0-4 against top 25 teams non-conference and was still given a top 4 seed. What year did Wisconsin do this? |
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Post by ay2013 on Dec 7, 2021 16:05:40 GMT -5
Yeah, we should get Marquette on the schedule. That will impress the committee! If recent history is any example, a team doesn't even need to WIN in the non-conference. Losing against very good teams can still yield a very good seed. Wisconsin went 0-4 against top 25 teams non-conference and was still given a top 4 seed. What year did Wisconsin do this? 2019. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 7, 2021 16:09:58 GMT -5
Is it me or does it seem a little crazy to think that these two teams have never met in the tournament? since the early 2000's both of these teams always make the tournament. Making the final four has been easier for Texas than Washington so I can see not meeting there, and if both teams are seeded (which usually happens) meeting in a sub regional is next to impossible, but it's kind of insane to think that they have never even been PLACED in the same regional bracket in at least the last 20 years? They were both in the Final Four in Seattle, and both lost in the semis. If volleyball played a 3rd place consolation match, they would have met then. |
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Post by tempesthorn on Dec 7, 2021 16:14:54 GMT -5
Color me still annoyed about the UW bracket. Sure, I'm ok with them playing Texas....you've got to beat the best if you want a title. And I'm listing Texas as the best, or pretty close to it. But I'll die on the hill of insisting that conference standings (in a mostly balanced conference) should take precedent over seeding. Washington won the conference by 1 full game over UCLA. The two teams met twice and split...winning on each others courts. And every one yammers on about OOC. Well, out of conference, UW played AT Ohio State, AT Illinois and AT Pepperdine Their only loss was OSU. UCLA played Georgia Tech in Long Beach and played at San Diego. They lost to San Diego. So why wasn't UW seeded above UCLA? Oh, some "experts" eye test, or the nitty-gritty or some other horsesh-t that makes not a lick of sense. Hey, I still think UCLA could be the surprise of the tournament - especially if Luper is 100% - they could win it all. But seeding UCLA above UW - and more importantly putting UW at 15th seed was a sham. And, like any good VT poster, I insist that you don't bother rebutting any of this, because I'm not listening. I will die with you on that hill. The year Texas got the 4 seed and Kansas got the 5 seed, when KU won the Big 12 in a full round robin of play was complete bullsh!t. As it turned out, KU go upset in the 2nd round and Texas would have hosted regardless. Conference standings need to carry some weight. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 7, 2021 16:15:01 GMT -5
Frankly, in unbalanced conference schedules, I think suggesting that conference standings should take *precedent* over seeding is kinda faulty. PAC-12 is only barely unbalanced. In fact, the biggest unbalancing factor in the conference was that Utah only had to play the Washington/WSU combination one time. The other big unbalancing factor is that teams don't have to play themselves, so of course Washington got a two-match reprieve by not having to play Washington, and UCLA got a two-match reprieve by not having to play UCLA. |
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Post by B1GHuskerGuy on Dec 7, 2021 16:49:03 GMT -5
I understand the sentiment of you have to beat everyone eventually if you want to be a National Champion. BUT I will say the difference between a final four finish and a sweet 16 finish can be impactful for recruiting and program prestige. So in that sense seeding and who you get early on does matter. There are definitely teams I would rather not see until the very end haha.
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Post by horns1 on Dec 7, 2021 17:01:18 GMT -5
Color me still annoyed about the UW bracket. Sure, I'm ok with them playing Texas....you've got to beat the best if you want a title. And I'm listing Texas as the best, or pretty close to it. But I'll die on the hill of insisting that conference standings (in a mostly balanced conference) should take precedent over seeding. Washington won the conference by 1 full game over UCLA. The two teams met twice and split...winning on each others courts. And every one yammers on about OOC. Well, out of conference, UW played AT Ohio State, AT Illinois and AT Pepperdine Their only loss was OSU.
UCLA played Georgia Tech in Long Beach and played at San Diego. They lost to San Diego.So why wasn't UW seeded above UCLA? Oh, some "experts" eye test, or the nitty-gritty or some other horsesh-t that makes not a lick of sense. Hey, I still think UCLA could be the surprise of the tournament - especially if Luper is 100% - they could win it all. But seeding UCLA above UW - and more importantly putting UW at 15th seed was a sham. And, like any good VT poster, I insist that you don't bother rebutting any of this, because I'm not listening. Re-phrased, UCLA has a win over Georgia Tech. If the committee were trying to differentiate UCLA and Washington, that certainly does. |
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Post by horns1 on Dec 7, 2021 17:04:00 GMT -5
Color me still annoyed about the UW bracket. Sure, I'm ok with them playing Texas....you've got to beat the best if you want a title. And I'm listing Texas as the best, or pretty close to it. But I'll die on the hill of insisting that conference standings (in a mostly balanced conference) should take precedent over seeding. Washington won the conference by 1 full game over UCLA. The two teams met twice and split...winning on each others courts. And every one yammers on about OOC. Well, out of conference, UW played AT Ohio State, AT Illinois and AT Pepperdine Their only loss was OSU. UCLA played Georgia Tech in Long Beach and played at San Diego. They lost to San Diego. So why wasn't UW seeded above UCLA? Oh, some "experts" eye test, or the nitty-gritty or some other horsesh-t that makes not a lick of sense. Hey, I still think UCLA could be the surprise of the tournament - especially if Luper is 100% - they could win it all. But seeding UCLA above UW - and more importantly putting UW at 15th seed was a sham. And, like any good VT poster, I insist that you don't bother rebutting any of this, because I'm not listening. I will die with you on that hill. The year Texas got the 4 seed and Kansas got the 5 seed, when KU won the Big 12 in a full round robin of play was complete bullsh!t. As it turned out, KU go upset in the 2nd round and Texas would have hosted regardless. Conference standings need to carry some weight. Sorry, but no. Texas' and Kansas' non-conference schedules were night and day. Texas was rewarded for playing a tougher non-conference schedule; the committee sent a message that clearly a lot of teams still don't understand. |
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