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Post by slxpress on Dec 9, 2021 22:19:09 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I agree with this. I know it helps a TON for crowds, but I think the upset of Stanford over Wisconsin is still the ONLY year since moving to this format that a top four team hasn't made the Final Four. Any chance at an unseeded team reaching the Final Four seems to be over with this format. "Unfortunately" because I understand it's great for crowds. Also forgot to mention: when the top 4 seeds are a little arbitrarily decided by a committee, and largely out of the teams' control, it creates the potential for the committee to literally create the final four they want to see for monetary reasons. I get the regular season is important, but you want the four teams playing the best at the end of the season to make the Final 4. You feel like the committee chose Louisville, Pittsburgh, Wisconsin and Texas for something other than competitive reasons? That veers towards conspiracy theory thinking to me. |
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Post by vbprisoner on Dec 9, 2021 22:19:41 GMT -5
Ugh would’ve loved to see them play on a neutral court. Maybe non conf next year??? Hint hint Keegan pls make it happen Fwiw I highly favor a return to set regional sites. Giving the best teams HCA every year makes for very predictable results. , if you didn't get to see this match you need to watch the first two sets! Washington was dominant. I don't know who flipped the switch on the Texas bench, but then Texas just became dominant 2/3 of the way through the third set. Nobody has mentioned it, but I think there was a Khat Bell call during third set because Elliott isn't know for in game adjustments! lol |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 22:19:41 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I agree with this. I know it helps a TON for crowds, but I think the upset of Stanford over Wisconsin is still the ONLY year since moving to this format that a top four team hasn't made the Final Four. Any chance at an unseeded team reaching the Final Four seems to be over with this format. "Unfortunately" because I understand it's great for crowds. Also forgot to mention: when the top 4 seeds are a little arbitrarily decided by a committee, and largely out of the teams' control, it creates the potential for the committee to literally create the final four they want to see for monetary reasons. I get the regular season is important, but you want the four teams playing the best at the end of the season to make the Final 4. I’m for it too but I see the pros and cons for both. |
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Post by hipsterfilth on Dec 9, 2021 22:20:15 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I agree with this. I know it helps a TON for crowds, but I think the upset of Stanford over Wisconsin is still the ONLY year since moving to this format that a top four team hasn't made the Final Four. Any chance at an unseeded team reaching the Final Four seems to be over with this format. Is that true? Oh I think in 2017, Neb beat Kentucky as well. |
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Post by eotexas5 on Dec 9, 2021 22:20:24 GMT -5
Fwiw I highly favor a return to set regional sites. Giving the best teams HCA every year makes for very predictable results. Unfortunately, I agree with this. I know it helps a TON for crowds, but I think the upset of Stanford over Wisconsin is still the ONLY year since moving to this format that a top four team hasn't made the Final Four. Any chance at an unseeded team reaching the Final Four seems to be over with this format. That's not true. Minnesota advanced in Austin against Louisville. And Nebraska advanced in Minneapolis against Oregon. |
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Post by bluepenquin on Dec 9, 2021 22:22:24 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I agree with this. I know it helps a TON for crowds, but I think the upset of Stanford over Wisconsin is still the ONLY year since moving to this format that a top four team hasn't made the Final Four. Any chance at an unseeded team reaching the Final Four seems to be over with this format. "Unfortunately" because I understand it's great for crowds. Also forgot to mention: when the top 4 seeds are a little arbitrarily decided by a committee, and largely out of the teams' control, it creates the potential for the committee to literally create the final four they want to see for monetary reasons. I get the regular season is important, but you want the four teams playing the best at the end of the season to make the Final 4. Is there an example of this happening? What is the incentive for for the committee to do this? |
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Post by ay2013 on Dec 9, 2021 22:22:47 GMT -5
Fwiw I highly favor a return to set regional sites. Giving the best teams HCA every year makes for very predictable results. , if you didn't get to see this match you need to watch the first two sets! Washington was dominant. I don't know who flipped the switch on the Texas bench, but then Texas just became dominant 2/3 of the way through the third set. Nobody has mentioned it, but I think there was a Khat Bell call during third set because Elliott isn't know for in game adjustments! lol I haven't watched, but that just kind of proves my point. You can use any small burst, HCA energy, and flip the switch. It's a pretty big advantage. |
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Post by hipsterfilth on Dec 9, 2021 22:22:47 GMT -5
"Unfortunately" because I understand it's great for crowds. Also forgot to mention: when the top 4 seeds are a little arbitrarily decided by a committee, and largely out of the teams' control, it creates the potential for the committee to literally create the final four they want to see for monetary reasons. I get the regular season is important, but you want the four teams playing the best at the end of the season to make the Final 4. You feel like the committee chose Louisville, Pittsburgh, Wisconsin and Texas for something other than competitive reasons? That veers towards conspiracy theory thinking to me. I think this year's choices are fine. Just saying, it opens it up for the future. |
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Post by ted_heise on Dec 9, 2021 22:22:50 GMT -5
I’m surprised the announcer knew this time. He didn’t know the difference between illegal backrow block vs attack when EMP was called for back row attack a few points ago. Did you just come after Paul Sunderland's vball knowledge with your 68th post on VT? Lmao welcome to the club. You'll fit in fine. LOL I thought exactly the same. |
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Post by hipsterfilth on Dec 9, 2021 22:23:30 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I agree with this. I know it helps a TON for crowds, but I think the upset of Stanford over Wisconsin is still the ONLY year since moving to this format that a top four team hasn't made the Final Four. Any chance at an unseeded team reaching the Final Four seems to be over with this format. That's not true. Minnesota advanced in Austin against Louisville. And Nebraska advanced in Minneapolis against Oregon. Ok JK I guess there's been more parity than I thought. Dis is good! I still don't like it! I'm a curmudgeon and I don't like it!!!! |
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Post by hipsterfilth on Dec 9, 2021 22:25:57 GMT -5
"Unfortunately" because I understand it's great for crowds. Also forgot to mention: when the top 4 seeds are a little arbitrarily decided by a committee, and largely out of the teams' control, it creates the potential for the committee to literally create the final four they want to see for monetary reasons. I get the regular season is important, but you want the four teams playing the best at the end of the season to make the Final 4. Is there an example of this happening? What is the incentive for for the committee to do this? "creates the potential" omg people on this board do not read. |
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Post by ay2013 on Dec 9, 2021 22:28:59 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I agree with this. I know it helps a TON for crowds, but I think the upset of Stanford over Wisconsin is still the ONLY year since moving to this format that a top four team hasn't made the Final Four. Any chance at an unseeded team reaching the Final Four seems to be over with this format. Is that true? That isn't true, but it's still a huge advantage. in the 5 years since we've gone to regional host sites, the top seeds are 18-2 in the sweet 16 and (as of now) 12-4 in the elite 8. two of the 4 losses in the elite 8 were because the teams got bounced in the sweet 16 (Texas and Minnesota), and both of those teams played pretty freaking poorly and their opponents played out of their mind. There wasn't really any middle ground there. The other two elite 8 losses were Wisconsin/Stanford and Nebraska/Kentucky- BOTH teams went on to win the national title. So either you have to be incredibly lucky to take out a top seed on their HCA OR just be the best team period regardless of seed and win the whole tournament. Neither of those things are likely to manifest very often. |
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Post by n00b on Dec 9, 2021 22:30:08 GMT -5
Is there an example of this happening? What is the incentive for for the committee to do this? "creates the potential" omg people on this board do not read. And awarding pre-determined sites creates the potential of allowing decision makers with even less transparency than the selection committee to create favorable situations for programs who haven’t even earned it on the court. |
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Post by damienn on Dec 9, 2021 22:30:43 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I agree with this. I know it helps a TON for crowds, but I think the upset of Stanford over Wisconsin is still the ONLY year since moving to this format that a top four team hasn't made the Final Four. Any chance at an unseeded team reaching the Final Four seems to be over with this format. Is that true? no Texas just lost in 2019 as the #2 seed with a HCA... |
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Post by hipsterfilth on Dec 9, 2021 22:32:01 GMT -5
"creates the potential" omg people on this board do not read. And awarding pre-determined sites creates the potential of allowing decision makers with even less transparency than the selection committee to create favorable situations for programs who haven’t even earned it on the court. Yeah, I'm not suggesting we go back to what was. I think volleyball, within the next 3-5 years will be capable of being run similarly to the bball regional tourneys. In cities across the country, in big venues, attached to a host, but not necessarily on the host's campus. Ya feel? |
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