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Post by bkedane on May 11, 2022 15:43:40 GMT -5
"Abuse" of *some* kinds is criminal. But have I missed accusations of criminal abuse in this situation? I haven't even seen anonymous accusations of that. |
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Steve Aird
May 11, 2022 16:47:15 GMT -5
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Post by vb on May 11, 2022 16:47:15 GMT -5
Getting tired of hearing about these thin skinned, entitled, mommy’s girl …can’t take some serious coaching - to be the best player that they can be. This whole post is nothing more than trivial “piling-on “now. You wanna get serious? How about the dude in Chicago that runs that very successful volleyball club. You know the one, the one that cant keep his hands off of little girls. Sweet potato versus minors.
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Post by sunsuphornsup on May 11, 2022 17:40:23 GMT -5
Getting tired of hearing about these thin skinned, entitled, mommy’s girl …can’t take some serious coaching - to be the best player that they can be. This whole post is nothing more than trivial “piling-on “now. You wanna get serious? How about the dude in Chicago that runs that very successful volleyball club. You know the one, the one that cant keep his hands off of little girls. Sweet potato versus minors. Aird, is that you? |
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Post by bbg95 on May 11, 2022 18:12:11 GMT -5
Of course they can run a comprehensive investigation if they want to. But that's a big if. I'm not even really talking about this particular situation per se. Just the idea that because it's a big school, they would automatically have done a thorough investigation. That viewpoint is rather naïve. Not naive. It’s the process now. If a school gets a complaint/whistleblower and they decide to investigate it is a serious deal. Run from outside the athletic department. Usually the DEI office. And they don’t mess around. So you think that every time a university does an investigation, they do it thoroughly? I'm sorry, but I'm not that credulous. |
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Post by tomclen on May 11, 2022 18:13:50 GMT -5
Getting tired of hearing about these thin skinned, entitled, mommy’s girl …can’t take some serious coaching - to be the best player that they can be. This whole post is nothing more than trivial “piling-on “now. You wanna get serious? How about the dude in Chicago that runs that very successful volleyball club. You know the one, the one that cant keep his hands off of little girls. Sweet potato versus minors. Let's just say for a moment that you are correct. That the young women who quit Hoosier VB are indeed, "thin skinned entitled, mommy's girl... can't take some serous coaching..." (sic) If that is true, then how poor must the coach be for recruiting these kind of people in the first place? I realize, that just like in hiring, you can make mistakes in recruiting. But these numbers would prove, if you are correct, that the coaching staff at Indiana is incompetent. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 11, 2022 18:30:23 GMT -5
I remember many people earnestly telling me Steve was 100% going to take over for Russ when he retired. I suppose if he had remained an assistant the entire time, maybe he would have. But people have now seen how he runs a program. |
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Post by justahick on May 11, 2022 18:36:01 GMT -5
Getting tired of hearing about these thin skinned, entitled, mommy’s girl …can’t take some serious coaching - to be the best player that they can be. This whole post is nothing more than trivial “piling-on “now. You wanna get serious? How about the dude in Chicago that runs that very successful volleyball club. You know the one, the one that cant keep his hands off of little girls. Sweet potato versus minors. Let's just say for a moment that you are correct. That the young women who quit Hoosier VB are indeed, "thin skinned entitled, mommy's girl... can't take some serous coaching..." (sic) If that is true, then how poor must the coach be for recruiting these kind of people in the first place? I realize, that just like in hiring, you can make mistakes in recruiting. But these numbers would prove, if you are correct, that the coaching staff at Indiana is incompetent. If forced to characterize the staff with a choice between incompetent and criminally abusive, I would have to lean towards incompetent. Assuming everything we've heard here is true, Aire is an ass, is mean and doesn't know how to get the best out of players. I wouldn't want him coaching a team I had any association with, but I haven't heard anything that rises to the level of termination for cause, let alone criminal charges. There are lots of %*$#ty coaches, most of which we never hear about...this is just another one. Should he be fired - sure sounds like it, mean to his players, not getting results, and (now) has a stink on him that isn't going away. Can he be fired for cause - doubtful, unless there is a lot more we haven't heard yet. |
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Post by dizzydean on May 11, 2022 19:04:09 GMT -5
Getting tired of hearing about these thin skinned, entitled, mommy’s girl …can’t take some serious coaching - to be the best player that they can be. This whole post is nothing more than trivial “piling-on “now. You wanna get serious? How about the dude in Chicago that runs that very successful volleyball club. You know the one, the one that cant keep his hands off of little girls. Sweet potato versus minors. Oh, hey, a ridiculous statement followed by a terrible false equivalency. Kudos. |
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Post by VT Five-0 on May 11, 2022 20:02:09 GMT -5
I see VT Five-0 popped in to the forum to clean up a post. That's... interesting. mods are back My vacation is over. |
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Post by mervinswerved on May 11, 2022 20:07:51 GMT -5
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Post by coachdirector13 on May 12, 2022 8:24:52 GMT -5
Getting tired of hearing about these thin skinned, entitled, mommy’s girl …can’t take some serious coaching - to be the best player that they can be. This whole post is nothing more than trivial “piling-on “now. You wanna get serious? How about the dude in Chicago that runs that very successful volleyball club. You know the one, the one that cant keep his hands off of little girls. Sweet potato versus minors. I am by NO MEANS encouraging what this person said is good however there is a point to it. The reason why Aird was believed to be the next big thing at PSU was because he grew up in that system. But Rose didnt just retire because of his age. He started realizing that kids are getting tougher and tougher to coach. He knew he was not going to have the kids he used to have in his system where he could say what he needed to say and they understood the expectation. They did not transfer because they felt the grass was greener, they made the grass greener where they were. That is why his teams were so dominant. Not just because they were great players but he DEMANDED it and challenged these kids mentally and physically. Aird does know the game of volleyball. He was very competitive at Maryland. The fact he has been terrible at IU shows that it may not have just been Dunbar who struggled there. It was the culture of the program there. IU has never been known as a volleyball powerhouse and many of the recruits they get there are the kids that are not top tier Big Ten talent. They would be great mid major kids, just not big ten. Cook said it best. He has had to change his style of coaching more than ever to get it across to his athletes now. That is what makes him the best in the business. Instead of volleyball first relationship second he flipped the script. If the comments that Aird said are true they are across the line and I hope IU does something about it. But this guy with the comment about the kids being soft is not that far off of what the truth is right now... But this is everywhere. Not just IU. |
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Post by ineedajob on May 12, 2022 9:02:21 GMT -5
Getting tired of hearing about these thin skinned, entitled, mommy’s girl …can’t take some serious coaching - to be the best player that they can be. This whole post is nothing more than trivial “piling-on “now. You wanna get serious? How about the dude in Chicago that runs that very successful volleyball club. You know the one, the one that cant keep his hands off of little girls. Sweet potato versus minors. I am by NO MEANS encouraging what this person said is good however there is a point to it. The reason why Aird was believed to be the next big thing at PSU was because he grew up in that system. But Rose didnt just retire because of his age. He started realizing that kids are getting tougher and tougher to coach. He knew he was not going to have the kids he used to have in his system where he could say what he needed to say and they understood the expectation. They did not transfer because they felt the grass was greener, they made the grass greener where they were. That is why his teams were so dominant. Not just because they were great players but he DEMANDED it and challenged these kids mentally and physically. Aird does know the game of volleyball. He was very competitive at Maryland. The fact he has been terrible at IU shows that it may not have just been Dunbar who struggled there. It was the culture of the program there. IU has never been known as a volleyball powerhouse and many of the recruits they get there are the kids that are not top tier Big Ten talent. They would be great mid major kids, just not big ten. Cook said it best. He has had to change his style of coaching more than ever to get it across to his athletes now. That is what makes him the best in the business. Instead of volleyball first relationship second he flipped the script. If the comments that Aird said are true they are across the line and I hope IU does something about it. But this guy with the comment about the kids being soft is not that far off of what the truth is right now... But this is everywhere. Not just IU. I'm going to look at it a little bit differently since I won't say that today's kids are soft. Today's kids are more well-informed of the power they have. The scales have balanced and players realize they don't need to be treated like crap and there are alternatives. |
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Post by Phaedrus on May 12, 2022 9:18:37 GMT -5
Getting tired of hearing about these thin skinned, entitled, mommy’s girl …can’t take some serious coaching - to be the best player that they can be. This whole post is nothing more than trivial “piling-on “now. You wanna get serious? How about the dude in Chicago that runs that very successful volleyball club. You know the one, the one that cant keep his hands off of little girls. Sweet potato versus minors. I am by NO MEANS encouraging what this person said is good however there is a point to it. The reason why Aird was believed to be the next big thing at PSU was because he grew up in that system. But Rose didnt just retire because of his age. He started realizing that kids are getting tougher and tougher to coach. He knew he was not going to have the kids he used to have in his system where he could say what he needed to say and they understood the expectation. They did not transfer because they felt the grass was greener, they made the grass greener where they were. That is why his teams were so dominant. Not just because they were great players but he DEMANDED it and challenged these kids mentally and physically. Aird does know the game of volleyball. He was very competitive at Maryland. The fact he has been terrible at IU shows that it may not have just been Dunbar who struggled there. It was the culture of the program there. IU has never been known as a volleyball powerhouse and many of the recruits they get there are the kids that are not top tier Big Ten talent. They would be great mid major kids, just not big ten. Cook said it best. He has had to change his style of coaching more than ever to get it across to his athletes now. That is what makes him the best in the business. Instead of volleyball first relationship second he flipped the script. If the comments that Aird said are true they are across the line and I hope IU does something about it. But this guy with the comment about the kids being soft is not that far off of what the truth is right now... But this is everywhere. Not just IU. I generally agree with your premise of your well laid out thoughts. I don't believe it is a matter of people being soft, I believe that is is a matter of equalizing the power within an unequal relationship. I am thinking pre and post civil rights era status for African Americans. I am thinking the reasons people give for the great resignation. The question is: does rethinking the relationship between athletes and coaches mean that the inequality has shifted to the athlete's advantage? I don't think so, I think it has equalized the relationship. I will say that the execution of the governance of the portal and NIL have been botched by the powers that be, and has wreaked havoc with the status quo. So it is that the smart coaches either retire or change the way they communicate and their philosophy. Those who refuse to change and insist on their ways stil suffer. But the transient will pass, I hope. People and system will adapt. I look at the Grambling case as an example of coaches and universities flipping the tools available on its head and try to regain their advantage. A note on Russ Rose, he has always struck me as being straight forward and no BS. He speaks the truth as he sees it, yet I have never heard any instances of him demeaning players in n public. He lays it out there in playing terms, but he never resorts to ad hominem attack. That is a major difference. |
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Post by mikegarrison on May 12, 2022 9:56:08 GMT -5
I have yet to see any generation of people who don't complain that "the kids these days are soft". That's just standard old-person whining.
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Post by tomclen on May 12, 2022 10:01:35 GMT -5
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