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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2022 9:58:53 GMT -5
True. And this is also one of the reasons why I think some are overestimating how attractive this job will be when Aird finally is shown the door. I don’t disagree, but sometimes coming in while it so down is a perfect scenario. All you can do is move up. Remember we don’t have anywhere near all the details of what went on, the investigation, any probationary measures taken…… the right pieces are more than in place IMO. Respected institution, beautiful campus, top league, top local and regional talent, salary, facility. This place checks a ton of boxes for good candidates. I’d have to agree that Indiana has a TON of potential to be an elite program. If they ever do get their feet off the ground and headed in the right direction they may be hard to stop for the reasons you listed |
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Post by greenpier on May 20, 2022 10:06:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I have been confused about that ever since I heard about it. Like why give him so much money and such a long contract when he hadn't really done anything as a head coach? Like yes, he was an assistant on some great Penn State teams. But he was still pretty unproven as a head coach. I mean, these are the same people who can’t pull the trigger now. This is not decision making at its finest. The 2022 Indiana VB season is going to be great to see with Aird at the helm |
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Post by tommyboy on May 20, 2022 10:07:27 GMT -5
I don’t disagree, but sometimes coming in while it so down is a perfect scenario. All you can do is move up. Remember we don’t have anywhere near all the details of what went on, the investigation, any probationary measures taken…… the right pieces are more than in place IMO. Respected institution, beautiful campus, top league, top local and regional talent, salary, facility. This place checks a ton of boxes for good candidates. I’d have to agree that Indiana has a TON of potential to be an elite program. If they ever do get their feet off the ground and headed in the right direction they may be hard to stop for the reasons you listed Agreed. Now what is the time frame that you can reasonably expect a turn around if you let him go now? 22 is over for talent, 23 has no elite recruits left (might be able to get a couple transfers), 24 by the time they are hired will already have most of the elite recruits gone. So you are now talking about 2025 Freshmen, assuming you can get a top 20 class. Are those players ready to compete in the toughest conference in the country? Probably need a couple years of elite recruits and maturity for those 25 freshmen. That is four years into your coaching stint. Are they going to give another seven year contract out after getting burned? Either way it's a long road ahead to compete in the BIG. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 20, 2022 10:18:24 GMT -5
I’d have to agree that Indiana has a TON of potential to be an elite program. If they ever do get their feet off the ground and headed in the right direction they may be hard to stop for the reasons you listed Agreed. Now what is the time frame that you can reasonably expect a turn around if you let him go now? 22 is over for talent, 23 has no elite recruits left (might be able to get a couple transfers), 24 by the time they are hired will already have most of the elite recruits gone. So you are now talking about 2025 Freshmen, assuming you can get a top 20 class. Are those players ready to compete in the toughest conference in the country? Probably need a couple years of elite recruits and maturity for those 25 freshmen. That is four years into your coaching stint. Are they going to give another seven year contract out after getting burned? Either way it's a long road ahead to compete in the BIG. I don't think you can start the clock until Aird is gone. He has three more years left on his contract. The longer they wait, the harder it gets. Edit: I see that I initially missed the part where you said "if you let him go now." I agree with your overall sentiment. |
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Post by reader on May 20, 2022 12:56:47 GMT -5
Yeah, that sort of thinking might have been what got Aird his seventh year. On the other hand the way the portal works in a post-covid world is a new level of crazy, so perhaps a rebuild doesn't take as long these days. Look at how many top shelf players moved this year and tell me a good coach couldn't snag a couple to build around in Indiana.
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Post by gibbyb1 on May 20, 2022 13:31:02 GMT -5
It’s impossible for me to believe that either IU’s admin or Aird believe that this situation is recoverable in any way. At this point it has to be about contracts, buyout, legal process, further investigation. Again it’s inconceivable either party can believe this can be turned around no matter what the actual truth is.
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Post by slxpress on May 20, 2022 13:34:25 GMT -5
It’s impossible for me to believe that either IU’s admin or Aird believe that this situation is recoverable in any way. At this point it has to be about contracts, buyout, legal process, further investigation. Again it’s inconceivable either party can believe this can be turned around no matter what the actual truth is. I agree. And it’s a shame when that kind of thinking keeps people from doing the right thing. Not sure how many more lives he should be allowed to traumatize at Indiana with his methods, but my strongest feeling is the answer should be zero. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 20, 2022 13:56:17 GMT -5
It’s impossible for me to believe that either IU’s admin or Aird believe that this situation is recoverable in any way. At this point it has to be about contracts, buyout, legal process, further investigation. Again it’s inconceivable either party can believe this can be turned around no matter what the actual truth is. I agree. And it’s a shame when that kind of thinking keeps people from doing the right thing. Not sure how many more lives he should be allowed to traumatize at Indiana with his methods, but my strongest feeling is the answer should be zero. The thing is, the time to fire Aird was after the last season. The fact that they chose not to doesn't inspire much confidence in the IU athletic department. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 20, 2022 14:03:01 GMT -5
Yeah, that sort of thinking might have been what got Aird his seventh year. On the other hand the way the portal works in a post-covid world is a new level of crazy, so perhaps a rebuild doesn't take as long these days. Look at how many top shelf players moved this year and tell me a good coach couldn't snag a couple to build around in Indiana. That contract looks really shortsighted. I think five years would have been plenty for an unproven head coach. If they had done that, then they could have fired Aird in the offseason at a cost of just one year of the buyout ($128K if everything else was the same). Aird must have a good agent. |
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Post by hangonsloopy on May 20, 2022 14:23:09 GMT -5
Yeah, that sort of thinking might have been what got Aird his seventh year. On the other hand the way the portal works in a post-covid world is a new level of crazy, so perhaps a rebuild doesn't take as long these days. Look at how many top shelf players moved this year and tell me a good coach couldn't snag a couple to build around in Indiana. That contract looks really shortsighted. I think five years would have been plenty for an unproven head coach. If they had done that, then they could have fired Aird in the offseason at a cost of just one year of the buyout ($128K if everything else was the same). Aird must have a good agent. Maybe he had another offer or was talking to other schools at the time and IU offered him this to get him on board? I think IU truly believed they were bringing the next big name in coaching and that he will turn IU to a powerhouse. So for them giving him whatever gets him to Bloomington was all that matters at the time……the hype around the program when he first arrived was unreal and locally, people were sold on the “New IU” he was building and his results in the first season further added to the hype as everyone thought they’ll only keep getting better from there. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 20, 2022 14:26:31 GMT -5
That contract looks really shortsighted. I think five years would have been plenty for an unproven head coach. If they had done that, then they could have fired Aird in the offseason at a cost of just one year of the buyout ($128K if everything else was the same). Aird must have a good agent. Maybe he had another offer or was talking to other schools at the time and IU offered him this to get him on board? I believe IU truly believed they were bringing the next big name in coaching and that he will turn IU to a powerhouse. So for them giving him whatever gets him to Bloomington was all that matters at the time……the hype around the program when he first arrived was unreal and locally, people were sold on the “New IU” he was building and his results in the first season further added to the hype as everyone thought they’ll only keep getting better from there. I guess so. I don't know. His record at Maryland was really nothing to write home about. |
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Post by hangonsloopy on May 20, 2022 14:35:39 GMT -5
Maybe he had another offer or was talking to other schools at the time and IU offered him this to get him on board? I believe IU truly believed they were bringing the next big name in coaching and that he will turn IU to a powerhouse. So for them giving him whatever gets him to Bloomington was all that matters at the time……the hype around the program when he first arrived was unreal and locally, people were sold on the “New IU” he was building and his results in the first season further added to the hype as everyone thought they’ll only keep getting better from there. I guess so. I don't know. His record at Maryland was really nothing to write home about. No I agree, I don’t know what the faith in him was based on but they just drank the kool aid I guess. My guess is that probably they looked at his time with Maryland and saw that he overall improved the team’s record with less resources. I’m pretty sure that Aird’s pitch was that he’ll be able to do much more with the recruiting landscape he’ll be in plus the new facilities and the IU brand to work with. |
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Post by BigTenVball on May 20, 2022 14:43:49 GMT -5
Nothing said the dead horse, yet the beatings continued.....
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Post by bbg95 on May 20, 2022 15:05:57 GMT -5
Nothing said the dead horse, yet the beatings continued..... Well, it's not really a dead horse when he hasn't been fired yet. |
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Post by n00b on May 20, 2022 15:12:28 GMT -5
Maybe he had another offer or was talking to other schools at the time and IU offered him this to get him on board? I believe IU truly believed they were bringing the next big name in coaching and that he will turn IU to a powerhouse. So for them giving him whatever gets him to Bloomington was all that matters at the time……the hype around the program when he first arrived was unreal and locally, people were sold on the “New IU” he was building and his results in the first season further added to the hype as everyone thought they’ll only keep getting better from there. I guess so. I don't know. His record at Maryland was really nothing to write home about. If I remember correctly, VolleyTalk was convinced he had Maryland on the way to being very good. |
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