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Post by nikkigsmith on Aug 26, 2022 21:42:21 GMT -5
My read on the 6-2 so far. The setters are way more comfortable going to the lefts at this point - almost 60% (48 of 83) attacks went to Franklin or Orzol. That's not much of a problem against a team that doesn't present a big block - and they hit at a high percentage - but it will be a problem later. You could see periods when the setters were trying to force it consistently to Robinson in the middle or out right. I think that was at the behest of the coaches, telling them to get used to doing that in game situations. I hope the balance spreads out, but the sharing of the setting load may make that a slower process than it would be with a single setter. Ashburn had twice as many assists as Hammill in this match (16-8). I felt Ashburn was just smoother. It felt like Hammill initially had problems connecting with the middle, but got over it. Neither had that many assists as the badgers scored 25% of their points blocks, 40% on blocks and aces. (Holy cow, that's a big number!) Yeah, they hit 0.337, but that may be covering a bit of a problem in the attacking phase. Hammill played some good defense, and served well. Happy with that. There was some confusion at times about those low balls coming over the net. It weird not having setter who has to go up for jousts, but I guess there are other bigger people for that? GG looked the part, but I'd like the passing to get better. It's part of the problem with the left side heavy attack. Orzol was stepping in front of GG in some passing situations. There is still some confusion between GG Orzol and Franklin in the BR, but that's typical for a new backline. All that said, the BR with those three looked like it could become pretty solid. We'll have to see when we face a team that can locate its serves better. TCU didn't really target Franklin for some reason. Franklin is a really quick thinking hitter who can also just womp a ball with great accuracy when she has a chance. Her effectiveness OOS is something we haven't seen much in a badger uniform. She does go through periods where she is prone to errors when she tries a bit too much. But this will be a very different badger attack because of her. I feel like Orzol could quietly have a very good year as well. She may be the most important player in the team no one talks about. We barely used the BR attack tonight. I don't think the setters are that comfortable with it yet. Middle and RS attack was pretty bleh. I missed the slides! I want to see combo and crossing plays. I want to see setters with the gumption to mix up the attack. A lot of growing to do. Great summary and I think in time things will go a bit more smoothly. I agree about the back row, Gigi needs to take over and let the hitters know who should take the ball and when. Hopefully language won’t be a barrier. I thought the Badgers play better with Izzy on the floor but like you said they didn’t set a whole lot tonight.
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 26, 2022 21:50:07 GMT -5
Ashburn had twice as many assists as Hammill in this match (16-8). We barely used the BR attack tonight. Ashburn was the first setter on the court each set, and the first and third sets they started in rotation one, meaning Izzy was on for three rotations before MJ ever set foot on the court. The second set they started in rotation 2, meaning Izzy was out for two before MJ got on the court. I could be wrong on this, but backrow attack when your setter is also back row probably isn't a great idea - and in a 6-2, that's all the time. When your back row is made up of the setter, the attacker and the libero, there's not much defense available if the attack comes back over the net. Last year, 'by definition', when Demps was attacking, Hilley was front row. I thought about Ashburn serving first, but it doesn't account for a 2-fold difference. I'm not sure if it means much though. It may be that the blocking was just better when Hammill was setting given the stats. I'd love to see points scored when each was setting. If, as Sheffield says, they are going for an attack more like you see in the men's game, they need to incorporate that BR attack. Use the FR attackers as dummies to set off the timing of opposing blockers. Keep the blockers thinking that a backrow attack could be coming on the bic. Right now, they aren't organized enough to pull it off. They might not get there. We'll see.
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 26, 2022 22:00:29 GMT -5
I think, to me, the problem with the 6-2 is the passing. Is it good enough to use all the elements of the offense on offer in the 6-2, or will it remain wonky forcing the attack to become left heavy and predictable?
When Hart comes back to full health, they will be tempted to go back to a 5-1 where they can run the slide again with Demps in behind. That will allow more hands in the BR to improve passing. We'll see how much they can get the different parts of the 6-2 attack firing in the meantime. Honestly, I think Hart replaces CC when she gets fully healthy too, and Robinson moves to the middle beside Hart.
I expect Baylor will be a tough match. Marquette won't be easy either.
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Post by robtearle on Aug 26, 2022 22:21:09 GMT -5
I'd love to see points scored when each was setting. You'll love this. If I did it right (and I think I did): scores by set when Izzy was on the floor were 15-6, 12-7, and 11-9 scores by set when MJ was on the floor were 10-5, 13-11, and 14-7 that totals up to 38-22 for Izzy and 37-23 for MJ. :-) (Figuring up their attack percentages would take longer. No doubt the coaches will do so.)
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Post by savannahbadger on Aug 26, 2022 22:33:42 GMT -5
I thought about Ashburn serving first, but it doesn't account for a 2-fold difference. How much of a difference does it make when Izzy is setting with one lineup in the front versus a different front row lineup when MJ is in? Did they change that up at all in the 2nd or 3rd?
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Post by robtearle on Aug 26, 2022 22:44:08 GMT -5
I thought about Ashburn serving first, but it doesn't account for a 2-fold difference. How much of a difference does it make when Izzy is setting with one lineup in the front versus a different front row lineup when MJ is in? Did they change that up at all in the 2nd or 3rd? Except for Gregorski coming in to serve the one time in the third set, the lineup was exactly the same second set to third; same people on the court and playing next to the same people in both. Izzy and Smrek were on the court at the same time all three sets. MJ was on with Devyn the first set and with Demps the other two sets. Izzy had two rotations with Franklin front row and one with Orzol front row; MJ had the reverse, two with Orzol and one with Franklin.
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Post by greatlakesvballer on Aug 27, 2022 0:01:45 GMT -5
madison.com/sports/college/volleyball/ncaa-missed-an-opportunity-in-wisconsin-volleyball-players-ruling-ad-says/article_beac32eb-f44d-55ae-bdae-505cbd1a4eff.html“I think the NCAA and the Committee on Reinstatement missed an opportunity to create an equitable decision, in this case in favor of a women’s volleyball player, when there had been precedent for it,” McIntosh said on Friday. “I think the facts of the case warranted treatment that was consistent with decisions that they’ve made in other sports, specifically football. “My heart goes out to Shanel because of not only all the work that she’s put into preparing for the season and a portion of that looks like it will be foregone, but also for the preparation that she put into representing herself in this case. She’s an incredible young woman and a great representative of our university and our program. “It turns my stomach that the NCAA wasn’t able to recognize what seemed clear to be the right decision here, which was to reinstate her.” I am impressed that the AD is making this a priority, backing the player and the coach very publicly, and even making direct comparisons with male football players. This feels like progress in real time for female athletes. Now we need even more pressure...from more players and coaches, and the university...and to get the decision reversed. 🤞🏾
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Post by tablealgebra on Aug 27, 2022 1:15:25 GMT -5
My read on the 6-2 so far. The setters are way more comfortable going to the lefts at this point - almost 60% (48 of 83) attacks went to Franklin or Orzol. That's not much of a problem against a team that doesn't present a big block - and they hit at a high percentage - but it will be a problem later. You could see periods when the setters were trying to force it consistently to Robinson in the middle or out right. I think that was at the behest of the coaches, telling them to get used to doing that in game situations. I hope the balance spreads out, but the sharing of the setting load may make that a slower process than it would be with a single setter. Ashburn had twice as many assists as Hammill in this match (16-8). I felt Ashburn was just smoother. It felt like Hammill initially had problems connecting with the middle, but got over it. Neither had that many assists as the badgers scored 25% of their points blocks, 40% on blocks and aces. (Holy cow, that's a big number!) Yeah, they hit 0.337, but that may be covering a bit of a problem in the attacking phase. Hammill played some good defense, and served well. Happy with that. There was some confusion at times about those low balls coming over the net. It weird not having setter who has to go up for jousts, but I guess there are other bigger people for that? GG looked the part, but I'd like the passing to get better. It's part of the problem with the left side heavy attack. Orzol was stepping in front of GG in some passing situations. There is still some confusion between GG Orzol and Franklin in the BR, but that's typical for a new backline. All that said, the BR with those three looked like it could become pretty solid. We'll have to see when we face a team that can locate its serves better. TCU didn't really target Franklin for some reason. Franklin is a really quick thinking hitter who can also just womp a ball with great accuracy when she has a chance. Her effectiveness OOS is something we haven't seen much in a badger uniform. She does go through periods where she is prone to errors when she tries a bit too much. But this will be a very different badger attack because of her. I feel like Orzol could quietly have a very good year as well. She may be the most important player in the team no one talks about. We barely used the BR attack tonight. I don't think the setters are that comfortable with it yet. Middle and RS attack was pretty bleh. I missed the slides! I want to see combo and crossing plays. I want to see setters with the gumption to mix up the attack. A lot of growing to do. Great summary and I think in time things will go a bit more smoothly. I agree about the back row, Gigi needs to take over and let the hitters know who should take the ball and when. Hopefully language won’t be a barrier. I thought the Badgers play better with Izzy on the floor but like you said they didn’t set a whole lot tonight. Watching GG internationally, I think consistently her defense has been better than her passing. By a fair margin, I'd say. Enough so that despite how impressive she looks with floor defense, there's room for Bamschrieber to beat her out when she gets eligible again if she doesn't improve. In terms of the low number of kills out of the middle, it looked to me like they weren't quite on the same page yet either. On the other hand, I thought the back sets to Smrek and Robinson looked good - but for some reason (possibly subpar passing) the sets in that direction dried up in sets 2 and 3. The best set to the middle all match was actually early on, to Smrek (with Hart running behind I think? I can't bear to load up the video to confirm this if it means seeing that court again)
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Post by bucky415 on Aug 27, 2022 1:18:11 GMT -5
madison.com/sports/college/volleyball/ncaa-missed-an-opportunity-in-wisconsin-volleyball-players-ruling-ad-says/article_beac32eb-f44d-55ae-bdae-505cbd1a4eff.html“I think the NCAA and the Committee on Reinstatement missed an opportunity to create an equitable decision, in this case in favor of a women’s volleyball player, when there had been precedent for it,” McIntosh said on Friday. “I think the facts of the case warranted treatment that was consistent with decisions that they’ve made in other sports, specifically football. “My heart goes out to Shanel because of not only all the work that she’s put into preparing for the season and a portion of that looks like it will be foregone, but also for the preparation that she put into representing herself in this case. She’s an incredible young woman and a great representative of our university and our program. “It turns my stomach that the NCAA wasn’t able to recognize what seemed clear to be the right decision here, which was to reinstate her.” I am impressed that the AD is making this a priority, backing the player and the coach very publicly, and even making direct comparisons with male football players. This feels like progress in real time for female athletes. Now we need even more pressure...from more players and coaches, and the university...and to get the decision reversed. 🤞🏾 I don't think that will happen, but I hope it pressures the NCAA to not do this to anyone else in the future, anywhere! In the meantime, I hope Shanel knows how much Wisconsin fans are happy to have her here, to simulate great defense in practice, and then to be available for the matches that really matter!
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Post by Badger Alum on Aug 27, 2022 3:16:24 GMT -5
madison.com/sports/college/volleyball/ncaa-missed-an-opportunity-in-wisconsin-volleyball-players-ruling-ad-says/article_beac32eb-f44d-55ae-bdae-505cbd1a4eff.html“I think the NCAA and the Committee on Reinstatement missed an opportunity to create an equitable decision, in this case in favor of a women’s volleyball player, when there had been precedent for it,” McIntosh said on Friday. “I think the facts of the case warranted treatment that was consistent with decisions that they’ve made in other sports, specifically football. “My heart goes out to Shanel because of not only all the work that she’s put into preparing for the season and a portion of that looks like it will be foregone, but also for the preparation that she put into representing herself in this case. She’s an incredible young woman and a great representative of our university and our program. “It turns my stomach that the NCAA wasn’t able to recognize what seemed clear to be the right decision here, which was to reinstate her.” I am impressed that the AD is making this a priority, backing the player and the coach very publicly, and even making direct comparisons with male football players. This feels like progress in real time for female athletes. Now we need even more pressure...from more players and coaches, and the university...and to get the decision reversed. 🤞🏾 The only way I could see this getting reversed is if the story went viral. If ESPN spent six minutes debating it on all of their various platforms. And even then, it’s still a longshot. But more and more famous people have to chime in to get ESPN’s attention.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Aug 27, 2022 7:08:20 GMT -5
Great summary and I think in time things will go a bit more smoothly. I agree about the back row, Gigi needs to take over and let the hitters know who should take the ball and when. Hopefully language won’t be a barrier. I thought the Badgers play better with Izzy on the floor but like you said they didn’t set a whole lot tonight. Watching GG internationally, I think consistently her defense has been better than her passing. By a fair margin, I'd say. Enough so that despite how impressive she looks with floor defense, there's room for Bamschrieber to beat her out when she gets eligible again if she doesn't improve. In terms of the low number of kills out of the middle, it looked to me like they weren't quite on the same page yet either. On the other hand, I thought the back sets to Smrek and Robinson looked good - but for some reason (possibly subpar passing) the sets in that direction dried up in sets 2 and 3. The best set to the middle all match was actually early on, to Smrek (with Hart running behind I think? I can't bear to load up the video to confirm this if it means seeing that court again) I remember that specific play. It was awesome. I yelled so loudly I scared the cat. And I’m 100% with you on that floor. Mega yikes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2022 7:11:48 GMT -5
Watching GG internationally, I think consistently her defense has been better than her passing. By a fair margin, I'd say. Enough so that despite how impressive she looks with floor defense, there's room for Bamschrieber to beat her out when she gets eligible again if she doesn't improve. In terms of the low number of kills out of the middle, it looked to me like they weren't quite on the same page yet either. On the other hand, I thought the back sets to Smrek and Robinson looked good - but for some reason (possibly subpar passing) the sets in that direction dried up in sets 2 and 3. The best set to the middle all match was actually early on, to Smrek (with Hart running behind I think? I can't bear to load up the video to confirm this if it means seeing that court again) I remember that specific play. It was awesome. I yelled so loudly I scared the cat. And I’m 100% with you on that floor. Mega yikes. what was the Wisconsin line up
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Post by rainbowbadger on Aug 27, 2022 7:18:52 GMT -5
I remember that specific play. It was awesome. I yelled so loudly I scared the cat. And I’m 100% with you on that floor. Mega yikes. what was the Wisconsin line up We ran a 6-2 with Ashburn & Smrek opposite Hammill & Robinson (when Hart was in at MB) or Demps (when Robinson played MB). Middles: Crawford and Hart (set 1) or Robinson (sets 2-3). OH: Franklin and Orzoł - Franklin was in front 2 rotations with Ashburn, Hammil got Orzoł in front for 2. L: Güçtekin - she served for Hart/Robinson; Crawford served for herself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2022 10:45:49 GMT -5
It looks like since the State Journal (Wisconsin State Journal in Madison, WI regional newspaper with Wisconsin Badger news coverage) has been promoting their app they have been withholding content from the paper copy now.
Game results from the TCU match can be discovered by scanning a QR code and then a solicitation for a digital account or a new subscription if just buying the paper copy..
There is still a significant number of older folks that just read the paper. This isn't bonus content it is game results. Basically they are destroying an already declining paper Wisconsin State Journal.
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Post by jwvolley on Aug 27, 2022 11:43:02 GMT -5
Yesterday's match got coded.
Franklin, 6 attempts 1.83 GG, 20 attempts 1.75 Orzol, 13 attempts 2.0
Wouldn't read too much into it yet, first match of the season. But seems to align with what Wisconsin fans observed of GG (better defender than passer)
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