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Post by slxpress on Aug 29, 2022 5:47:54 GMT -5
If you have cement feet, as you declare, how would you run the slide as a middle? And yes, she was a dancer. Again, let's be patient. She'll figure it out how to play without the Rettke distraction. Robinson struggled at first too last year. The dancer part was a joke.
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Post by robtearle on Aug 29, 2022 7:05:42 GMT -5
I think Smrek needs to stay in the Middle... Hitting those 1 and half's (eventually quick drift 3's) ... she's merely unstoppable in that capacity... With 7'2 wingspan, she will touching the ball first in most instances. She creates so many gaps for her fellow teammates as well. Unfortunately Smrek has cement feet and will never be as dynamic like Dana.. Let's not forget a former All American on the Right (Robinson) is still a current teammate.. some come on Sheffield exploit those two positions! 5-1 is your only chance to make this a late contender. I agree. Let's replace Rettke with Smrek, Loberg with Franklin, Robinson on the right, Hart/CC in the middle, DS along with Demps in the back. Smrek isn't Rettke. Neither Izzy nor MJ is Hilley. What Smrek needs is to not be hitting into a double block so frequently. That comes from making the middle defender stay home, and that happens with Izzy setting Crawford/Hart/Devyn more. But let's remember that this was Izzy's second match ever as a starting setter, and MJ's third. It is very much a work in progress.
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Post by pull3 on Aug 29, 2022 8:07:10 GMT -5
I agree. Let's replace Rettke with Smrek, Loberg with Franklin, Robinson on the right, Hart/CC in the middle, DS along with Demps in the back. Smrek isn't Rettke. Neither Izzy nor MJ is Hilley. What Smrek needs is to not be hitting into a double block so frequently. That comes from making the middle defender stay home, and that happens with Izzy setting Crawford/Hart/Devyn more. But let's remember that this was Izzy's second match ever as a starting setter, and MJ's third. It is very much a work in progress. The fact is that we lost a match. 6-1 deserves a chance to prove. If it doesn't, we can always change back to 5-2. Our passing obviously is bad. And Franklin isn't the solution. Yes, she had the most digs, because the teams were targeting her. I just strongly feel, like the other poster has said that we are in a 5-2 formation barely because Sheffield is a paying a debt to Izzy. If we do owe Izzy, I can live with MJ sitting another year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2022 8:26:41 GMT -5
I was watching that feed on my phone so not a good view. Thus I ask. How were the sets in general by both setters? Accurate for the most part? Tight to the net? Lowor high? Or were there a lot of good sets and just unforced attack errors that was a problem?
I could tell passing was pretty terrible. I guess the hype train on Gutekin can be tempered a bit now as well.
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Post by robtearle on Aug 29, 2022 8:30:01 GMT -5
Smrek isn't Rettke. Neither Izzy nor MJ is Hilley. What Smrek needs is to not be hitting into a double block so frequently. That comes from making the middle defender stay home, and that happens with Izzy setting Crawford/Hart/Devyn more. But let's remember that this was Izzy's second match ever as a starting setter, and MJ's third. It is very much a work in progress. The fact is that we lost a match. 6-1 deserves a chance to prove. If it doesn't, we can always change back to 5-2. Our passing obviously is bad. And Franklin isn't the solution. Yes, she had the most digs, because the teams were targeting her. I just strongly feel, like the other poster has said that we are in a 5-2 formation barely because Sheffield is a paying a debt to Izzy. If we do owe Izzy, I can live with MJ sitting another year. (You have the nomenclature of the various offensive schemes completely wrong.) The fact is that they played pretty poorly in many aspects in their second match of the season - for some, in their second and even first match of their college careers - and yet with a bounce going for them instead of against them, they'd have beaten the #13 ranked team in the country. There will be plenty of time to panic later should that become necessary. For now, take a deep breath. This team is a work in progress, and the work is just getting started.
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Post by robtearle on Aug 29, 2022 8:42:52 GMT -5
(And BTW: Izzy has this year and next in terms of eligibility, should she choose to use them. MJ with eligibility through 2024)
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Post by skinny on Aug 29, 2022 9:14:49 GMT -5
I just wish there was a way where WI could get Franklin, Orzol, Wrobel, Smrek, Devyn and either GG or Shanel when she comes back, out on the court at the same time.
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Post by badgersinsix on Aug 29, 2022 9:52:36 GMT -5
Smrek isn't Rettke. Neither Izzy nor MJ is Hilley. What Smrek needs is to not be hitting into a double block so frequently. That comes from making the middle defender stay home, and that happens with Izzy setting Crawford/Hart/Devyn more. But let's remember that this was Izzy's second match ever as a starting setter, and MJ's third. It is very much a work in progress. The fact is that we lost a match. 6-1 deserves a chance to prove. If it doesn't, we can always change back to 5-2. Our passing obviously is bad. And Franklin isn't the solution. Yes, she had the most digs, because the teams were targeting her. I just strongly feel, like the other poster has said that we are in a 5-2 formation barely because Sheffield is a paying a debt to Izzy. If we do owe Izzy, I can live with MJ sitting another year. Sheffield doesn't care one bit about any perception of owing any player anything. In the little I've seen, Izzy looks more comfortable on the court than MJ does, and as a result the team seems to flow better when Izzy is in. That is likely due to Izzy having more experience on the court in a different role. That is a significant factor in how effective our setter is and therefore who should be playing. If MJ is a better setter and gets more comfortable on the court and the team starts playing better with her on the floor, she could end up setting a 5-1. But I don't see it as a foregone conclusion that MJ is the better setter like many others seem to. We're 2 matches in. I look forward to seeing how things shake out and how well this team plays own the line. Something that gives me confidence is that the set 1 lineup has been extremely effective in the first 2 matches. If that is our best lineup, I see it being effective consistently through matches once Hart is full strength and things don't get thrown off by changing lineups every set. That same thought applies if it is a different lineup they settle on and run out every set. There was a point much much later in the season last year where I expected we were going to fall short of winning a national championship again. Lots of things changed after that point and I'm sure glad they did!
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Post by robtearle on Aug 29, 2022 9:57:12 GMT -5
The fact is that we lost a match. 6-1 deserves a chance to prove. If it doesn't, we can always change back to 5-2. Our passing obviously is bad. And Franklin isn't the solution. Yes, she had the most digs, because the teams were targeting her. I just strongly feel, like the other poster has said that we are in a 5-2 formation barely because Sheffield is a paying a debt to Izzy. If we do owe Izzy, I can live with MJ sitting another year. Sheffield doesn't care one bit about any perception of owing any player anything. In the little I've seen, Izzy looks more comfortable on the court than MJ does, and as a result the team seems to flow better when Izzy is in. That is likely due to Izzy having more experience on the court in a different role. That is a significant factor in how effective our setter is and therefore who should be playing. If MJ is a better setter and gets more comfortable on the court and the team starts playing better with her on the floor, she could end up setting a 5-1. But I don't see it as a foregone conclusion that MJ is the better setter like many others seem to. We're 2 matches in. I look forward to seeing how things shake out and how well this team plays own the line. Something that gives me confidence is that the set 1 lineup has been extremely effective in the first 2 matches. If that is our best lineup, I see it being effective consistently through matches once Hart is full strength and things don't get thrown off by changing lineups every set. That same thought applies if it is a different lineup they settle on and run out every set. There was a point much much later in the season last year where I expected we were going to fall short of winning a national championship again. Lots of things changed after that point and I'm sure glad they did! Over the course of a 14 week regular season last year, they used 14 different lineups. Let's keep that in mind as we go forward with this year.
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Post by jwvolley on Aug 29, 2022 10:00:52 GMT -5
I just wish there was a way where WI could get Franklin, Orzol, Wrobel, Smrek, Devyn and either GG or Shanel when she comes back, out on the court at the same time. Who needs a setter anyways
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Post by Kearney Kingston on Aug 29, 2022 10:02:20 GMT -5
Better passers and setters a year ago.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2022 10:14:17 GMT -5
Better passers and setters a year ago. I predicted 6 L's after the Bramhreiber news. Changing systems is going to take time to gel. Curious how we are practicing the 6-2. Volunteers standing in as setters for the opposing team? Maybe the red-white scrimmage should have been running the 6-2 instead of the 5-1 as well. We definitely need many more reps.
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 29, 2022 10:18:31 GMT -5
Just based on what I’ve seen, it makes perfect sense why Sheffield opted for the 6-2 to start.
If anything, Ashburn looks a little more comfortable, but not by a lot. The data from this last match against a good blocking team supports that, and maybe makes an even stronger case.
But would she be a liability on the block relative to the bigger Hammill? Is the difference in setting big enough to offset any such liability were it there?
In addition, neither setter is that comfortable using the middles yet. I don’t remember seeing too many slide sets. I can’t tell which I would use, and I’m not sure either of them is good enough to run a 5-1 well yet. It’s better in that scenario to keep as many hitting options on the floor while your setters develop - ie learn to read the block, develop deception and use the middle. The downside to huge 6-2 as a device for setter development is that they don’t block and can’t attack.
I have a feeling they may ultimately shift to a 5-1. But I would like to see how the 6-2 develops. We are still early in the season. The passing is the problem. It might make sense to use a DS to stabilize it, since the BR attack threat isn’t being used much yet. But both Boyer and Shanel are out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2022 10:19:41 GMT -5
Just based on what I’ve seen, it makes perfect sense why Sheffield opted for the 6-2 to start. If anything, Ashburn looks a little more comfortable, but not by a lot. The data from this last match against a good blocking team supports that, and maybe makes an even stronger case. But would she be a liability on the block relative to the bigger Hammill? Is the difference in setting big enough to offset any such liability were it there? In addition, neither setter is that comfortable using the middles yet. I don’t remember seeing too many slide sets. I can’t tell which I would use, and I’m not sure either of them is good enough to run a 5-1 well yet. It’s better in that scenario to keep as many hitting options on the floor while your setters develop - ie learn to read the block, develop deception and use the middle. The downside to huge 6-2 as a device for setter development is that they don’t block and can’t attack. I have a feeling they may ultimately shift to a 5-1. But I would like to see how the 6-2 develops. We are still early in the season. The passing is the problem. It might make sense to use a DS to stabilize it, since the BR attack threat isn’t being used much yet. But both Boyer and Shanel are out. well the reason you didn’t see many slides is bc in a 6-2 it’s much harder to run a slide bc you have a right side always in the front row
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Post by SportyBucky on Aug 29, 2022 11:06:06 GMT -5
Just based on what I’ve seen, it makes perfect sense why Sheffield opted for the 6-2 to start. If anything, Ashburn looks a little more comfortable, but not by a lot. The data from this last match against a good blocking team supports that, and maybe makes an even stronger case. But would she be a liability on the block relative to the bigger Hammill? Is the difference in setting big enough to offset any such liability were it there? In addition, neither setter is that comfortable using the middles yet. I don’t remember seeing too many slide sets. I can’t tell which I would use, and I’m not sure either of them is good enough to run a 5-1 well yet. It’s better in that scenario to keep as many hitting options on the floor while your setters develop - ie learn to read the block, develop deception and use the middle. The downside to huge 6-2 as a device for setter development is that they don’t block and can’t attack. I have a feeling they may ultimately shift to a 5-1. But I would like to see how the 6-2 develops. We are still early in the season. The passing is the problem. It might make sense to use a DS to stabilize it, since the BR attack threat isn’t being used much yet. But both Boyer and Shanel are out. Of course both of them are good enough to run a 5-1. There's nothing that changes for a setter other than blocking and setting a few more hitters. Passing would be less of a problem if we used a DS rather than Franklin in the backrow. I did notice, through the feed that was less than ideal, that GG's passing seemed to improve a bit from match 1 to 2. I'd like to see stats to understand if that was really the case or my perception.
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