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Post by robtearle on Aug 31, 2022 16:01:39 GMT -5
2 Marquette vs Wisconsin VB Tickets for Friday September 2. Tickets are together courtside Section E, Row 7, Seats 7 & 8. Chairback, Unrestricted View $80 ($40 apiece. Stub Hub not working for me.) PM me to make arrangements. Section E row 7 was my seat for the last seven years. Last year, the whole season cost me $85. Still SMH...
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Post by buckypete on Aug 31, 2022 16:08:39 GMT -5
I believe there are degrees of this. I mostly am commenting about people for whom a 23-6 season and a rough Elite Eight exit would be a DISASTER and TRAVESTY and we should RETHINK the WHOLE DIRECTION of the PROGRAM. These people exist. The preseason polls had us as a final 4 team. Don't blame the Badger fans. It would be a disaster and worth a RETHINK the WHOLE DIRECTION of the PROGRAM next year if this 6-2 crap doesn't work(I have a feeling Sheff is keeping it thru the whole season after listening to the press conference). Don't start. I know I sound like a grudge. I like the outside request to "don't blame the Badger fans" as if I haven't lived my entire life in the geographical area between the Field House and the confluence of I-90 and I-94. I will mock any fan base, including my own, when a national championship moves from an joy to an entitlement. Your mileage may vary.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Aug 31, 2022 16:12:47 GMT -5
I have to respectfully disagree with the notion that fans have misplaced expectations. Why shouldn’t we? The SA’s most assuredly have high expectations, don’t they? I believe there are degrees of this. I mostly am commenting about people for whom a 23-6 season and a rough Elite Eight exit would be a DISASTER and TRAVESTY and we should RETHINK the WHOLE DIRECTION of the PROGRAM. These people exist. Those ADs exist too. Just ask Mick Haley.
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Post by pull3 on Aug 31, 2022 16:13:10 GMT -5
The preseason polls had us as a final 4 team. Don't blame the Badger fans. It would be a disaster and worth a RETHINK the WHOLE DIRECTION of the PROGRAM next year if this 6-2 crap doesn't work(I have a feeling Sheff is keeping it thru the whole season after listening to the press conference). Don't start. I know I sound like a grudge. I like the outside request to "don't blame the Badger fans" as if I haven't lived my entire life in the geographical area between the Field House and the confluence of I-90 and I-94. I will mock any fan base, including my own, when a national championship moves from an joy to an entitlement. Your mileage may vary. I will confess. The entitlement comes from having a MVP Smrek, a pro libero, a Baylor starter, a OOS killer, and a healthy Ozol. I promise I won't have it every year.
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Post by savannahbadger on Aug 31, 2022 16:27:56 GMT -5
They usually sit behind me at Camp Randall. “Throw the ball more” might be the equivalent to “go back to the 5-1.”
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Post by robtearle on Aug 31, 2022 16:31:55 GMT -5
I like the outside request to "don't blame the Badger fans" as if I haven't lived my entire life in the geographical area between the Field House and the confluence of I-90 and I-94. I will mock any fan base, including my own, when a national championship moves from an joy to an entitlement. Your mileage may vary. I will confess. The entitlement comes from having a MVP Smrek, a pro libero, a Baylor starter, a OOS killer, and a healthy Ozol. I promise I won't have it every year. Winning championships is hard. Winning Big Ten volleyball championships is really hard. Winning national volleyball championships is extremely hard.
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Post by volleyaudience on Aug 31, 2022 17:44:12 GMT -5
What are the downsides or potential problems with using a 6-2? I think I understand the expected advantages. Thanks.
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Post by robtearle on Aug 31, 2022 17:55:03 GMT -5
What are the downsides or potential problems with using a 6-2? I think I understand the expected advantages. Thanks. Hitters have to get used to the sets of two different setters; timing, height of the set, etc etc. Another that really 'came home' to me this weekend was when there'd be a pass really tight to the net. Last year, when she was front row, Hilley would often jump at the net and 'save' them with a one-handed set back to a middle etc. But a setter can only do that when they are front row; otherwise it is a 'back row attack' and an automatic point for the other team. There were maybe three or four such balls last weekend that I remember where Izzy or MJ simply could do nothing to 'save' the pass. Likewise a setter going up to "joust" on an overpass; back row attack, automatic point to the other team. I expect there are others...
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Post by pull3 on Aug 31, 2022 18:07:39 GMT -5
What are the downsides or potential problems with using a 6-2? I think I understand the expected advantages. Thanks. Copy from the web coachingvb.com/should-you-run-a-6-2-offense/Leadership – For many teams the setter is the leader on the court. Leadership is something you want to be consistent. By definition, swapping your leaders in and out every three rotations works against that. This may not be a big deal if the two setters have very similar personalities or the primary leader on the court comes from another position. Set Consistency – Hitters tend to do best when the sets they get are a consistent tempo and rhythm. This is the challenge of the 6-2 offense. You need to have two setters who set very similarly so hitters aren’t constantly adjusting. Also, are your setters consistent and accurate back-setting? If not, you won’t get much added benefit from the extra hitter in those three rotations. Defense – Let’s face it. Setters don’t always play the best defense. They tend to think about setting first. That can mean they cheat a bit, leave balls to others they should play, etc. Running a 6-2 means always having that little bit of softness in the back court defense. Importantly, it also means there is always a target for the opposing team to attack to take your offense out of system. Of course you may not be any better off with an OPP playing back there, though you could use a defensive specialist. Blocking – How much of a benefit do you really get from a bigger blocker in Position 2? That’s supposed to be part of the reason for going with the 6-2. Does it actually hold up, though? Setters, despite their smaller stature, can be quite effective blockers. They may not get as many stuffs, but they can get useful touches. They also tend to be smart in terms of being able to position their block correctly. Then there is the question as to whether the opposition can actually take advantage of the smaller blocker, which simply isn’t the case at many levels. Offense – Do you actually gain an advantage from having the extra front row attacker? If you have a good middle slide and/or back row attack, then you may find that there is no real extra benefit from always having three hitters across the net – especially if there is any set consistency issue, as discussed above.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Aug 31, 2022 18:46:43 GMT -5
What are the downsides or potential problems with using a 6-2? I think I understand the expected advantages. Thanks. Hitters have to get used to the sets of two different setters; timing, height of the set, etc etc. Another that really 'came home' to me this weekend was when there'd be a pass really tight to the net. Last year, when she was front row, Hilley would often jump at the net and 'save' them with a one-handed set back to a middle etc. But a setter can only do that when they are front row; otherwise it is a 'back row attack' and an automatic point for the other team. There were maybe three or four such balls last weekend that I remember where Izzy or MJ simply could do nothing to 'save' the pass. Likewise a setter going up to "joust" on an overpass; back row attack, automatic point to the other team. I expect there are others... Can the middles just learn to hit those down on two?
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Post by robtearle on Aug 31, 2022 19:18:53 GMT -5
Hitters have to get used to the sets of two different setters; timing, height of the set, etc etc. Another that really 'came home' to me this weekend was when there'd be a pass really tight to the net. Last year, when she was front row, Hilley would often jump at the net and 'save' them with a one-handed set back to a middle etc. But a setter can only do that when they are front row; otherwise it is a 'back row attack' and an automatic point for the other team. There were maybe three or four such balls last weekend that I remember where Izzy or MJ simply could do nothing to 'save' the pass. Likewise a setter going up to "joust" on an overpass; back row attack, automatic point to the other team. I expect there are others... Can the middles just learn to hit those down on two? I'm sure others can speak to that more expertly than me - to say the least - but my guess is middles are stepping away from the net and such a ball to be ready to run their 'route' - a slide, a gap, etc. -when the setter fields and sets that second touch. Probably be a lot to expect them to be able to react that way 'on the fly'.
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 31, 2022 19:53:43 GMT -5
What are the downsides or potential problems with using a 6-2? I think I understand the expected advantages. Thanks. Hitters have to get used to the sets of two different setters; timing, height of the set, etc etc. Another that really 'came home' to me this weekend was when there'd be a pass really tight to the net. Last year, when she was front row, Hilley would often jump at the net and 'save' them with a one-handed set back to a middle etc. But a setter can only do that when they are front row; otherwise it is a 'back row attack' and an automatic point for the other team. There were maybe three or four such balls last weekend that I remember where Izzy or MJ simply could do nothing to 'save' the pass. Likewise a setter going up to "joust" on an overpass; back row attack, automatic point to the other team. I expect there are others... I think this may be part of the rationale for Sheffs lesson on not trying too hard to locate passes idealy. If you aim to get the ball up and to the 8' line, you aren't going to pass too close the the net. The badgers had too many overpasses last weekend.
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 31, 2022 20:06:43 GMT -5
What are the downsides or potential problems with using a 6-2? I think I understand the expected advantages. Thanks. Copy from the web coachingvb.com/should-you-run-a-6-2-offense/Leadership – For many teams the setter is the leader on the court. Leadership is something you want to be consistent. By definition, swapping your leaders in and out every three rotations works against that. This may not be a big deal if the two setters have very similar personalities or the primary leader on the court comes from another position. If I remember the bit in Point Wisconsin correctly, Ashburn and Hammill tested as very similar personality types. They were both a bit different from Hilley and Carlini.
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Post by Del Bocavista on Aug 31, 2022 20:59:26 GMT -5
Well its been quite a while since i played, but from my memory not only are too tight passes a disadvantage in the 6-2, if the passes arent tight enough you take out the middle quick since the slide is not in play, and thus you are back to 2 hitter options anyway. In other words, passing is more critical to use the benefits of a 6-2, but since you're using most of your subs on the setter/RS, this passing needs to come from your lefts. I think Sheff is right in that the ceiling is playing Texas for the natty if everything comes together, but the floor is likely lower than just going with a 5-1.
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 31, 2022 21:18:33 GMT -5
Well its been quite a while since i played, but from my memory not only are too tight passes a disadvantage in the 6-2, if the passes arent tight enough you take out the middle quick since the slide is not in play, and thus you are back to 2 hitter options anyway. In other words, passing is more critical to use the benefits of a 6-2, but since you're using most of your subs on the setter/RS, this passing needs to come from your lefts. I think Sheff is right in that the ceiling is playing Texas for the natty if everything comes together, but the floor is likely lower than just going with a 5-1. Good point. They have been relying on their pin hitters and particularly their left sides a lot. I suspect you are right about the 5-1 having a higher floor, but a lower ceiling.
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