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Post by pull3 on Sept 2, 2022 9:23:55 GMT -5
Someone suggested we wouldn't be very good in a 5-1 with our personnel and our passing woes. No way we are a not very good team in running the 5-1 with our personnel. Boyer and Demps ( and Shanel when available) add a ton to our backrow prowess in a 5-1 they don't really see the backrow in a 6-2. Currently the 6-2 configuration puts alot of pressure on our overall performance as we simply don't have the inclination of putting some of our best defenders back there in the 6-2. Also, how are we practicing the 6-2? To Maximize improvement we should be playing in practice against 2 setters in a 6-2 configuration. Is this assistant coaches with setting experience? Volunteer setter from the men's club team? I didn’t say we wouldn’t be good. I said we wouldn’t be as good as last year, a NC year. In a 5-1, we’d have a hard time winning the B1G, much less an NC. We’d still be pretty good though. We actually have a chance to win the NC with a 6-2. Or we could finish 4th in the B1G. Your thought of We won't be as good as last year is a mystery to me. We've 2 superb backcourts replacing Barnes and Civita. We've got Hart back. MJ is a junior who has been living under the shadow of Hilley. She was a national ranked 20ish recruit iirc. Everyone else got another year of experience, Smrek, Robinson, Demps, and Ozol. And Ozol is healthy again. And I don't want to talk about how much Franklin is an upgrade of Loberg. In shorts, 1) Our backcourt is as good as last year 2) Hart replacing Rettke, MJ replacing Hilley are a minus 3) Franklin replacing Loberg is a big plus 4) everyone else an extra year, a plus. The sum of this year is as good as if not better than last year. IMHO.
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Post by robtearle on Sept 2, 2022 9:34:21 GMT -5
I didn’t say we wouldn’t be good. I said we wouldn’t be as good as last year, a NC year. In a 5-1, we’d have a hard time winning the B1G, much less an NC. We’d still be pretty good though. We actually have a chance to win the NC with a 6-2. Or we could finish 4th in the B1G. Your thought of We won't be as good as last year is a mystery to me. We've 2 superb backcourts replacing Barnes and Civita. We've got Hart back. MJ is a junior who has been living under the shadow of Hilley. She was a national ranked 20ish recruit iirc. Everyone else got another year of experience, Smrek, Robinson, Demps, and Ozol. And Ozol is healthy again. And I don't want to talk about how much Franklin is an upgrade of Loberg. In shorts, 1) Our backcourt is as good as last year 2) Hart replacing Rettke, MJ replacing Hilley are a minus 3) Franklin replacing Loberg is a big plus 4) everyone else an extra year, a plus. The sum of this year is as good as if not better than last year. IMHO. There's an element of Loberg bashing to that post that I am going to object to. Yes, they were playing under different circumstances with different teammates around them, obviously. But Loberg hit .226 on 900 swings, while Franklin hit .224 on 1100 swings. Franklin was .934 in serve receive on significantly more attampts, 769, while Loberg was .927 on 273 attempts. Yes, Franklin is better. But the difference isn't all that "big".
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Post by pull3 on Sept 2, 2022 9:38:54 GMT -5
Your thought of We won't be as good as last year is a mystery to me. We've 2 superb backcourts replacing Barnes and Civita. We've got Hart back. MJ is a junior who has been living under the shadow of Hilley. She was a national ranked 20ish recruit iirc. Everyone else got another year of experience, Smrek, Robinson, Demps, and Ozol. And Ozol is healthy again. And I don't want to talk about how much Franklin is an upgrade of Loberg. In shorts, 1) Our backcourt is as good as last year 2) Hart replacing Rettke, MJ replacing Hilley are a minus 3) Franklin replacing Loberg is a big plus 4) everyone else an extra year, a plus. The sum of this year is as good as if not better than last year. IMHO. There's an element of Loberg bashing to that post that I am going to object to. Yes, they were playing under different circumstances with different teammates around them, obviously. But Loberg hit .226 on 900 swings, while Franklin hit .224 on 1100 swings. Franklin was .934 in serve receive on significantly more attampts, 769, while Loberg was .927 on 273 attempts. Yes, Franklin is better. But the difference isn't all that "big". I don't look at numbers. Loberg couldn't hit OOS is a big minus to me. I don't hate Loberg.
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Post by taxidea on Sept 2, 2022 9:41:47 GMT -5
I'm guessing Orr is still not quite healthy enough to play. Otherwise why not have her on the court? that's not what it sounded like from cook in the press conference. when he asked about the setting he talked about the benefits of the 6-2 and that hames and Evans are more comfortable running that system than Orr is. Four matches in, if shez sitting, I think reason suggests that Cook has cooled on Orr. Wading through the Cook coach speak, I believe Orr is likely #3 behind Hames and Evans right now. Otherwise, why have Hames step in? The commentary on the Nebraska thread is a bit telling.
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Post by robtearle on Sept 2, 2022 9:43:40 GMT -5
There's an element of Loberg bashing to that post that I am going to object to. Yes, they were playing under different circumstances with different teammates around them, obviously. But Loberg hit .226 on 900 swings, while Franklin hit .224 on 1100 swings. Franklin was .934 in serve receive on significantly more attampts, 769, while Loberg was .927 on 273 attempts. Yes, Franklin is better. But the difference isn't all that "big". Loberg couldn't hit OOS ... Nonsense.
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 2, 2022 9:45:45 GMT -5
I didn’t say we wouldn’t be good. I said we wouldn’t be as good as last year, a NC year. In a 5-1, we’d have a hard time winning the B1G, much less an NC. We’d still be pretty good though. We actually have a chance to win the NC with a 6-2. Or we could finish 4th in the B1G. Your thought of We won't be as good as last year is a mystery to me. We've 2 superb backcourts replacing Barnes and Civita. We've got Hart back. MJ is a junior who has been living under the shadow of Hilley. She was a national ranked 20ish recruit iirc. Everyone else got another year of experience, Smrek, Robinson, Demps, and Ozol. And Ozol is healthy again. And I don't want to talk about how much Franklin is an upgrade of Loberg. In shorts, 1) Our backcourt is as good as last year 2) Hart replacing Rettke, MJ replacing Hilley are a minus 3) Franklin replacing Loberg is a big plus 4) everyone else an extra year, a plus. The sum of this year is as good as if not better than last year. IMHO. Hilley was arguably the best setter in the country the last few years. The ball always has to go through the setters hands and her choices and placement and resilience were key. Hammill is good, but it will take her a while to come up to that standard, just as it took Hilley a couple years. She turned matches from the service line many times. Rettke was the national player of the year and probably the most impactful badger attacker in 30 years. Hilley could set her on the slide from beyond the 10’ line. It was hard to knock us out of system. Those are huge holes to fill. Right now, the backcourt is nowhere near as good as the last 2-3 years. Not yet anyway. Boyer had issues last year with passing breakdowns and appears hurt. Bramschreiber can’t even play until October. GG will take some time. Franklin is an excellent attacker and a big upgrade over anyone badgers have had in that position for a while, but her passing is just ok. I’m not actually against a 5-1, I can just see what sheff is talking about. Going with a 6-2 is a risk with upside given the talent on the roster. Going with a 5-1 is safer and would probably yield quicker returns early in the season, but definitely has a lower ceiling, at least for this year.
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Post by pull3 on Sept 2, 2022 9:46:15 GMT -5
Loberg couldn't hit OOS ... Nonsense. Yes, soft balls that didn't score.
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 2, 2022 9:47:13 GMT -5
I laughed when I read they went to a 6-2. I’ve been expecting them to bring Hames in at setter in some capacity. She’s better, more consistent than Orr right now. They almost won the NC with Hames! they almost two with hames lol Was talking about last year, but you are right!
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Post by SportyBucky on Sept 2, 2022 9:48:05 GMT -5
I'm guessing Orr is still not quite healthy enough to play. Otherwise why not have her on the court? Cook said, "she wasn't getting her hitters in a position to get kills," or something very close to that. That didn't indicate she was not healthy but that he wasn't happy.
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Post by SportyBucky on Sept 2, 2022 9:49:05 GMT -5
Loberg couldn't hit OOS ... Nonsense. Um. She wasn't that great at hitting OOS. She wasn't that great hitting in system. She found the block A LOT both in and OOS.
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Post by robtearle on Sept 2, 2022 9:54:15 GMT -5
Yes, soft balls that didn't score. OOS balls *often* turn into high bump sets to the left pin; it gives the rest of the scrambling players time to get back into position. It also gives the defense time to set up a block in front of that left side hitter. The left side hitter is often called on to tip or otherwise hit into the block to try to 'reset' the point; like a basketball player using the backboard to pass to himself. All of that applies to Franklin as well as Loberg. Loberg was pretty good at 'resetting' the point. I'll assume Franklin is as well. Once more, Loberg's attack numbers were the equal of Franklin's last year. You don't 'look at numbers"; maybe you should start.
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Post by stanfordvb on Sept 2, 2022 9:55:08 GMT -5
I'm guessing Orr is still not quite healthy enough to play. Otherwise why not have her on the court? Cook said, "she wasn't getting her hitters in a position to get kills," or something very close to that. That didn't indicate she was not healthy but that he wasn't happy. I agree with him but I wish he would let her work it out against a team like lmu who Nebraska would've beat regardless. she needs to be a lot more consistent in her location, its all over the place right now
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Post by pull3 on Sept 2, 2022 9:56:07 GMT -5
You said it. 5-1 yield quicker return. And as good when everyone is back.
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Post by pull3 on Sept 2, 2022 10:00:20 GMT -5
Yes, soft balls that didn't score. OOS balls *often* turn into high bump sets to the left pin; it gives the rest of the scrambling players time to get back into position. It also gives the defense time to set up a block in front of that left side hitter. The left side hitter is often called on to tip or otherwise hit into the block to try to 'reset' the point; like a basketball player using the backboard to pass to himself. All of that applies to Franklin as well as Loberg. Loberg was pretty good at 'resetting' the point. I'll assume Franklin is as well. Once more, Loberg's attack numbers were the equal of Franklin's last year. You don't 'look at numbers"; maybe you should start. The numbers don't tell me when Franklin sends an OOS bomb to the other side and makes the opponent OOS instead of tips after tips.
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Post by stanfordvb on Sept 2, 2022 10:03:40 GMT -5
You said it. 5-1 yield quicker return. And as good when everyone is back. if they can make it work, I think the 6-2 is the best choice for them. forcing outsides to be swinging against either Robinson or smrek at all times is crazy. ive thought so far that Wisconsin has the best chance of stopping Texas because they will put a ton of pressure on eggleston and skinner to perform with that right side block and a professionally trained libero waiting in the opposite direction
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