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Post by hipsterfilth on Jul 19, 2022 9:22:08 GMT -5
In 2019, Utah pushed Stanford to five in the S16 and everyone went buck wild. I remember reading comments on the YT vid that Utah was clearly the second best team in the country since Stanford went on to dominate the B1G. By that same logic, Illinois who pushed Utah to a deuce fifth set in the first round must’ve been the third best team in the country despite finishing sixth in the B1G and 16-14 overall. Sometimes teams show the f up and play a crazy good match. Beth gets oodles of credit for being a coach that players consistently show up and show out for. You can see from watching Utah that players love playing for her. IMO, 2020 Utah was MASSIVELY overrated based on one match. To anyone who watched them all year… meh. Good, not great. If Beth gets blamed for the team “underperforming” in 2020, she also gets credit for the team overperforming in the 2019 tourney. It is what it is- sometimes the expectations are unfair to begin with. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Beth is a good coach. Utah also lost two important pieces at MB and libero going into 2020, both of whom were great players. Another good point. It made no sense how high everyone was on Utah going into 2020. |
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Post by oldnewbie on Jul 19, 2022 13:05:32 GMT -5
Utah also lost two important pieces at MB and libero going into 2020, both of whom were great players. Another good point. It made no sense how high everyone was on Utah going into 2020. "exceeding expectations" is such a nebulous term. If a coach gains a reputation for doing more with less, then they will often be ranked preseason higher than their talent deserves. If they achieve that rank its so what, they just did what people thought they would, when actually it may have been a very good coaching performance with limited talent. On the other hand, as someone pointed out earlier, if a team dramatically underperforms for a coach for some reason, the following year preseason expectations may be set artificially low and that coach may then receive praise for over-achieving, when really they didn't do anything special other than really suck the year before. Measuring performance against perceived talent is not a trivial exercise. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 19, 2022 13:15:44 GMT -5
In 2019, Utah pushed Stanford to five in the S16 and everyone went buck wild. I remember reading comments on the YT vid that Utah was clearly the second best team in the country since Stanford went on to dominate the B1G. Not *everyone*. I, for one, pointed out at the time that Utah was third place in their own conference standings, which kind of really makes it hard to say Utah was the #2 team in the entire country. |
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Post by hipsterfilth on Jul 19, 2022 13:17:36 GMT -5
In 2019, Utah pushed Stanford to five in the S16 and everyone went buck wild. I remember reading comments on the YT vid that Utah was clearly the second best team in the country since Stanford went on to dominate the B1G. Not *everyone*. I, for one, pointed out at the time that Utah was third place in their own conference standings, which kind of really makes it hard to say Utah was the #2 team in the entire country. I, too, am immune from hyperbole. Some might call me a curmudgeon. It's fine if you own it. |
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Post by oldnewbie on Jul 19, 2022 17:50:16 GMT -5
Not *everyone*. I, for one, pointed out at the time that Utah was third place in their own conference standings, which kind of really makes it hard to say Utah was the #2 team in the entire country. I, too, am immune from hyperbole. Some might call me a curmudgeon. It's fine if you own it. Yes, old curmudgeons everywhere grumbling under their breath "No, it's not different this time, young whipper snapper", for every bubble, be it stocks, housing, tulips, or national sports leagues. None of them are sustainable and they will all fail sooner rather than later. |
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Post by JJVb on Jul 19, 2022 19:51:00 GMT -5
Maybe move all this arguing/debating to the Utah thread. That'd be great  |
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Post by JJVb on Jul 19, 2022 19:52:37 GMT -5
How does this preconference look for them and the PAC12? Definitely a shorter schedule than they did last year. But this seems to be missing a weekend of games that are on other teams schedules. PSU schedule shows a tourney in Corvallis vs. North Texas and Utah State Sep 9th weekend. Maybe this was recently dropped? with how injury prone that team has been, I can’t blame Barnard for taking one of the weeks off. either way, it’s actually a decent non-con. I’d take it over ours🙃 Yeah, too many injuries last year for this team! But, I'm still not sure if they took that weekend off, or if it is still being finalized, since I see it on PSU's schedule. Either way, yeah glad it is a decent non-con, but will be nice to see them get a few wins out of it as well. |
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Post by hipsterfilth on Jul 19, 2022 22:22:17 GMT -5
Maybe move all this arguing/debating to the Utah thread. That'd be great Hm a discussion of previous year's Pac-12 standings / teams in the Pac-12 thread in the middle of July. Imagine that. |
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Post by USC✌🏼 on Jul 31, 2022 17:01:11 GMT -5
Does Pac-12 volleyball have media day? I don’t recall if they do or don’t.
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Post by oldnewbie on Jul 31, 2022 20:11:54 GMT -5
Does Pac-12 volleyball have media day? I don’t recall if they do or don’t. VB Mag just wrote an article referencing B1G VB media day next week and strongly implied no one else does it. IDK whether that is true. "BIG TEN LEADS THE WAY: Things get real Monday in Chicago with the first Olympic sport event of its kind, Big Ten volleyball media days. Media days are a staple of Power 5 football and basketball, and many other conferences have football media days, but this is huge for our sport. The head coaches and two players from each program are headed to the Big Ten Network studios." |
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Post by USC✌🏼 on Jul 31, 2022 20:24:44 GMT -5
Does Pac-12 volleyball have media day? I don’t recall if they do or don’t. VB Mag just wrote an article referencing B1G VB media day next week and strongly implied no one else does it. IDK whether that is true. "BIG TEN LEADS THE WAY: Things get real Monday in Chicago with the first Olympic sport event of its kind, Big Ten volleyball media days. Media days are a staple of Power 5 football and basketball, and many other conferences have football media days, but this is huge for our sport. The head coaches and two players from each program are headed to the Big Ten Network studios." Thank you 🙏🏼 |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jul 31, 2022 22:32:06 GMT -5
Does Pac-12 volleyball have media day? I don’t recall if they do or don’t. VB Mag just wrote an article referencing B1G VB media day next week and strongly implied no one else does it. IDK whether that is true. "BIG TEN LEADS THE WAY: Things get real Monday in Chicago with the first Olympic sport event of its kind, Big Ten volleyball media days. Media days are a staple of Power 5 football and basketball, and many other conferences have football media days, but this is huge for our sport. The head coaches and two players from each program are headed to the Big Ten Network studios." Seems to me they used to call it "Picture Day", once upon a time. Was more of a football thing, it seems to me. |
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Post by vbfamily on Jul 31, 2022 23:20:19 GMT -5
No “conference” media day with coaches/players for volleyball. Coaches used to go to the PAC-12 headquarters for preseason meetings pre-COVID, but nothing in the media then except some social media posts showing them all together.
Anyway, with rosters pretty settled, anyone want to do a rundown of the teams??
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Jul 31, 2022 23:27:32 GMT -5
One thing I will be VERY interested to see....I come from a three-generation Pac-8 & Pac-10 family of SAs...will be the reception these two departing schools' teams will receive from their opponents' fans the next two years. We wanted to beat them so badly: more than Berkeley (or Stanford, in my grandfather's case). Will the SAs be heckled as "traitors"? It should be an interesting dynamic; my grandfather was severely taunted as an SA for the antiwar protests at UC.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Aug 1, 2022 12:43:56 GMT -5
One thing I will be VERY interested to see....I come from a three-generation Pac-8 & Pac-10 family of SAs...will be the reception these two departing schools' teams will receive from their opponents' fans the next two years. We wanted to beat them so badly: more than Berkeley (or Stanford, in my grandfather's case). Will the SAs be heckled as "traitors"? It should be an interesting dynamic; my grandfather was severely taunted as an SA for the antiwar protests at UC. I can hear them playing The Fifth Dimension, singing "For we can fly, we can fly / Up, up and away / My beautiful, my beautiful balloon" over the public address system, with "$" signs waving in the crowd. |
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