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Post by kaipono on Aug 22, 2022 0:32:17 GMT -5
This was just a practice, and we haven't seen this team even play against another team yet. I get that you don't like the players that we have, but at least save the criticism for after the season has started lol The same should go for people who are praising players at this time of year too, right? Yup, they may look good in scrimmages and practice, but let's wait for them to actually play in a real match. However, for those who obviously have inside information, they will at least know how players measure up in the context of the team, and I don't mind if people share their opinions on who they think might start. I don't hear anyone saying that any of these players will be All-American this or All-Big West that, so I don't think anyone has necessarily been hyping these players to that extent.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2022 0:32:31 GMT -5
If Akana is giving Ross then that’s a shame cause Ross wasn’t good even in her final year. Ross came on strong in her senior year, and was All Big West Honorable Mention (her and BVS). And her playoff performance was very good. Not dominant, I'd agree. But her 17 total points against Northern Colorado in 4 sets was highest on the team; 12 against San Diego in three sets was 2nd highest on the team; and 11.5 against Nebraska in 3 sets was 2nd highest on the team. Her overall hitting% in the playoffs was a bit north of .250. If Akana can deliver that, along with the back row play Ross brought in her last year, my guess is she starts. Ross was not what the doctor ordered, ever Did she do her best as evidenced by the stats you presented? Yeah! But I’m more hopeful for Akana than that kind of overall performance from Ross. Ross is a measuring stick that don’t got much feet on it
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2022 0:33:51 GMT -5
The same should go for people who are praising players at this time of year too, right? Yup, they may look good in scrimmages and practice, but let's wait for them to actually play in a real match. However, for those who obviously have inside information, they will at least know how players measure up in the context of the team, and I don't mind if people share their opinions on who they think might start. I don't hear anyone saying that any of these players will be All-American this or All-Big West that, so I don't think anyone has necessarily been hyping these players to that extent. I just needed a yes lol
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Post by kaipono on Aug 22, 2022 0:39:22 GMT -5
Yup, they may look good in scrimmages and practice, but let's wait for them to actually play in a real match. However, for those who obviously have inside information, they will at least know how players measure up in the context of the team, and I don't mind if people share their opinions on who they think might start. I don't hear anyone saying that any of these players will be All-American this or All-Big West that, so I don't think anyone has necessarily been hyping these players to that extent. I just needed a yes lol Haha, got it. I just haven't really thought that anyone was "over-praising" any players on this team, other than maybe Igiede lol And by "over-praise", I just mean in the context of awards or how they will perform in actual matches
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Post by raian13 on Aug 22, 2022 0:51:12 GMT -5
Knowing Wagoner will start, I hope she balls out and not tip or roll shot a lot.
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Post by raian13 on Aug 22, 2022 0:54:28 GMT -5
The men weren't directing their hits to score, but at players, giving them heat to handle or tips to chase. Let’s be real, they not as physically imposing as some of the woman on the top teams lol Wahine need to bring in men men to get this job done. Charlie Wade needs to be the next Wahine coach and Milan to take over the Warriors.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2022 1:13:11 GMT -5
Haha, got it. I just haven't really thought that anyone was "over-praising" any players on this team, other than maybe Igiede lol And by "over-praise", I just mean in the context of awards or how they will perform in actual matches Totally. I agree with you
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Post by Dancing in the Flames on Aug 22, 2022 1:59:14 GMT -5
Let’s be real, they not as physically imposing as some of the woman on the top teams lol Wahine need to bring in men men to get this job done. Charlie Wade needs to be the next Wahine coach and Milan to take over the Warriors. You Pepega, he's 59 in October.
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Post by noblesol on Aug 22, 2022 2:14:05 GMT -5
In Robyn's four seasons, she's taken the Wahine to the NCAAs each year. In 2017 and 2018, they finished 2nd in Big West; in 2019 and 2021, they finished 1st in the Big West. She's been the Big West Co-Coach of the Year in 2019, and COY in 2021. 2020 was the canceled Covid season. Based on this record, some want to see her replaced? Trolling or joking, I hope.
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Post by 5100 on Aug 22, 2022 2:17:39 GMT -5
Ohh not this again.. Any chance Wagoner could DS for Akana? Cowell looked a tad better than Wagoner in one of those longer rallies. Akana should play bc of her physicality. No. Wagoner hit .150 last year while Akana hit .136. And at least Wagoner can play decent back row.
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Post by 808empath on Aug 22, 2022 2:18:59 GMT -5
In Robyn's four seasons, she's taken the Wahine to the NCAAs each year. In 2017 and 2018, they finished 2nd in Big West; in 2019 and 2021, they finished 1st in the Big West. She's been the Big West Co-Coach of the Year in 2019, and COY in 2021. 2020 was the canceled Covid season. Based on this record, some want to see her replaced? Trolling or joking, I hope. I think what they meant was that Charlie can recruit and get the kids to want to play for b Hawaii. Getting them to believe and buy in to what he's trying to accomplish for the men's team.
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Post by noblesol on Aug 22, 2022 2:44:21 GMT -5
In Robyn's four seasons, she's taken the Wahine to the NCAAs each year. In 2017 and 2018, they finished 2nd in Big West; in 2019 and 2021, they finished 1st in the Big West. She's been the Big West Co-Coach of the Year in 2019, and COY in 2021. 2020 was the canceled Covid season. Based on this record, some want to see her replaced? Trolling or joking, I hope. I think what they meant was that Charlie can recruit and get the kids to want to play for b Hawaii. Getting them to believe and buy in to what he's trying to accomplish for the men's team. Well, David Matlin is reachable: hawaiiathletics.com/staff-directory Just a guess, though, he'll wonder what they've been smoking.
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Post by soljah808 on Aug 22, 2022 3:16:37 GMT -5
I think what they meant was that Charlie can recruit and get the kids to want to play for b Hawaii. Getting them to believe and buy in to what he's trying to accomplish for the men's team. Well, David Matlin is reachable: hawaiiathletics.com/staff-directory Just a guess, though, he'll wonder what they've been smoking. Yup agreed. The fact that people want Charlie to move to the women's side is crazy. He isn't going back to the women's side especially with his success and especially with him pushing to expand and grow the game on the men's side. If I were Matlin, I too would ask what they smokin'.
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Post by babybacksets on Aug 22, 2022 4:31:46 GMT -5
This close to the start of the season I’m not really interested in disparaging any athletes for their past shortcomings.
I just want to see what they want to bring in the new season and goes the team gels overall.
There’s so much that goes into developing players and a program, I know for sure any talk of coaching changes is foolish at best.
I think Robyn has instilled in her players that you only get what you work for and I kinda like the fact that there are no “stars” on this team, everyone wants to compete and I hope to see that on the court.
You can always thirst after that franchise player that’s gonna carry your team to victory, but if there isn’t strong team culture, it’s not guaranteed that they stay.
Can’t wait for the start of season!
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Post by 808d on Aug 22, 2022 7:26:58 GMT -5
Fans will have their favorites of course, but Hawai'i doesn't have a dominant pin hitter. All of them are athletic though, and all are good defenders. Alexander has some shine as a freshman impressing after two weeks, but, how she'll do after teams have some film on her, remains to be seen. But, good defense and low errors can win matches too, and unlike offense, good defense can be brought to every point. But for good defense to win and make up for a lack of hitter dominance, everyone has to bring their good defense, low errors, and game smarts with them, and everyone has to be on the same page. - Wagoner is probably the best all around defender, best all around ball control, her game is even keel and helps the others stay even keel. Whatever Robyn is asking for, she's going to try and give it to her. - Akana can be more physical up front than Wagoner, but she never looks as smooth or in control. She does remind me more of Ross in some ways. Ross didn't develop a reliable back row game until her last year. She could be streaky good and physical upfront though, surprising everyone, even herself I think. Akana is a bit like that. - Cowell isn't likely to change her stripes too much this year. What she's been, she'll likely continue to be, and hopefully marginally better. If she can be a Steady Eddy, and rise to the occasion when the pressure is on, that will get her on the court and keep her there. - Alexander is likely to get more minutes on the right initially than the left. It takes time to develop a good back row game in D1, and though she has promise to be six rotations, I'd be surprised if that happens quickly. She's off to a good start though, impressing after two short weeks. But, a freshman, and once teams have film on her, they'll adjust, and then we'll see if she can adjust. - Ham is a gamer, athletic, and she seems able to play all around. She appears to be a great glue player. I don't see her starting, but every team needs players like her. She'll make her contribution over the course of a long season. - De Goede is coming off a season ending injury that occurred early last year. That injury put her about a year behind in development, and it shows. But, she is athletic, tall, and a lefty. And appears to be coachable and patient. She may not start, but I think she's going to get minutes and a chance, and in the meantime, is going to greatly help the starters develop as she plays against them. I think when/if it clicks for De Goede, she'll be a difference maker. We saw a bit of it against USC last year. - Westerberg is going to get a lot of time in the middle this season. But, I agree with how Westerberg identifies herself, as a hitter. She'll gladly play middle though if it keeps her on the court. But, if Evans finds her way back on the court, I think Westerberg becomes an option on the right, and Alexander fully enters the competitive fray on the left. If Akana is giving Ross then that’s a shame cause Ross wasn’t good even in her final year. People hoping for Akana to be like Ross is a pretty sad comparison. That means we’ll have to wait till her senior year to do anything. On top of that you’re right! Ross wasn’t really that dependable of an Outside. At the moment I don’t think neither Riley nor Akana is the answer. Riley has the all around game down. But to have her put down a kill to bail out the team most times is nerve racking. Same with Akana. She has her awesome kill during a game; then she just fades out the rest of the game. I hope they both prove us doubters wrong, but the way Alexander has been impressing everyone, I’d take my chances on a talented freshman who can develop with seasoned veterans around her on the court. The whole team says they need competition and anyone can start! Maybe having a freshman start over Riley or Akana might be the key to pushing them to be better?
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