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Post by raian13 on Sept 12, 2022 15:32:06 GMT -5
Could you explain how the subbing will allow three middles to play in a match? Igiede is a lock at MB1. Who subs for her in the back? Who comes in for Tiff? Is it Edmonds? Also you can’t use two MB2 interchangeably in a set right, someone has to sit? The only time I remember Hawaii used three middles in a match was with the 3Ms: Magill, Maglio, and Mitchem. I've never seen it done. Apparently Hawai'i ran it in the 80's. Ryan Tsuji mentioned they'd be lined up as a triangle. In that case, half the rotations have two of the middles in front, and the other half have two in the back. Both Westerberg and Igiede can play anywhere in the front, and could both play back row if needed. Evans is likely middle duty only, so would always have a sub in the back. My guess is we never see it, but it's fun to think how it might work. Thanks! I’ve seen Igiede hit from the right (not slide) last Saturday and that’s another range she could improve a lot on. I remember a scenario where Mitchem was running a slide and the ball was actually for Taylor but set was tight between the two either player could have hit the ball. I have seen Akana did it couple times hitting in the middle while Igiede was running the slide. So fun to watch and usually threw the opponent’s defense. |
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Post by 5100 on Sept 12, 2022 15:45:34 GMT -5
They're already running some variation of it. Akana is a middle. She has occasionally been hitting quick sets in the middle even when lined up as an opposite.
Nohea Tano in 2002-2003 was also a middle playing opposite. She did slides and other quick attacks in addition to "true" outside attacks.
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Post by noblesol on Sept 12, 2022 15:46:53 GMT -5
I've never seen it done. Apparently Hawai'i ran it in the 80's. Ryan Tsuji mentioned they'd be lined up as a triangle. In that case, half the rotations have two of the middles in front, and the other half have two in the back. Both Westerberg and Igiede can play anywhere in the front, and could both play back row if needed. Evans is likely middle duty only, so would always have a sub in the back. My guess is we never see it, but it's fun to think how it might work. Thanks! I’ve seen Igiede hit from the right (not slide) last Saturday and that’s another range she could improve a lot on. I remember a scenario where Mitchem was running a slide and the ball was actually for Taylor but set was tight between the two either player child have hit the ball. I have seen Akana did it couple times hitting in the middle while Igiede was running the slide. So fun to watch and usually threw the opponent’s defense. Akana can play any spot in front as well, and back row if needed. So, options, options. But, when playing with options, the KISS rule usually elevates the 5-1 to the top option. When personnel permit and perhaps dictate, the 6-2 is next option. A three middle offense is rarely going to be on the option list, and seems to violate the KISS rule. |
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Sept 12, 2022 15:54:23 GMT -5
Could you explain how the subbing will allow three middles to play in a match? Igiede is a lock at MB1. Who subs for her in the back? Who comes in for Tiff? Is it Edmonds? Also you can’t use two MB2 interchangeably in a set right, someone has to sit? The only time I remember Hawaii used three middles in a match was with the 3Ms: Magill, Maglio, and Mitchem. I've never seen it done. Apparently Hawai'i ran it in the 80's. Ryan Tsuji mentioned they'd be lined up as a triangle. In that case, half the rotations have two of the middles in front, and the other half have two in the back. Both Westerberg and Igiede can play anywhere in the front, and could both play back row if needed. Evans is likely middle duty only, so would always have a sub in the back. My guess is we never see it, but it's fun to think how it might work. 2 of the middles would be in the traditional MB line-up. the 3rd middle would rotate at the opposite position, and would be fed mostly slide sets. it wouldn't be high/wide/bailout kind of sets. so it's a strategy that can limit the offense. and it's dependent on precise passing, so that you can run the traditional sets to the middles (in the middle) and to the middle (at the opposite position). the middles all came out in the backrow, so there is little chance they are used out of the back row (like in a D set). when hawaii ran it in 1998, their middles were bown, lima and roberts. it was relatively successful b/c the passers were solid (sudduth, ilustre, lima, and aven lee coming in for roberts in the backrow). mind you, this was pre-libero, and lima (altho a middle) would give any libero today a run for their money in the passing department. in 2002-03, tano was the 3rd opposite, and again it successful, b/c hawaii had the passing personnel for it. note that in 2001, hawaii ran the 3-middle offense, but it was short-lived. duggins and tano were in the middle, and eckmier was the middle slotted at the opposite position. but they didn't have the passing for it that year, and hawaii quickly learned that their best bet was just throwing it up high to the left pins (willoughby and gustin, who was moved there from the middle). jen carey ended up sharing setting duties with vakasausau, and when Jen was in the front row, she even hit as an opposite, at times. more recently, when hawaii had the 3Ms (magill, maglio, and mitchem), they didn't use this 3-middle offense. at least not quite. the only time there were all in the lineup together was when mitchem filled in spot duty for taylor while she was injured. and even then mitchem was fed sets more traditionally given to an opposite. |
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Post by noblesol on Sept 12, 2022 15:54:55 GMT -5
They're already running some variation of it. Akana is a middle. She has occasionally been hitting quick sets in the middle even when lined up as an opposite. Nohea Tano in 2002-2003 was also a middle playing opposite. She did slides and other quick attacks in addition to "true" outside attacks. ...and Westerberg sometimes finds herself lined up at opposite where she gets the set... although I'm not sure it's being run that way as a play or just because that's where her and Akana find themselves at times in transitions. Since they can play the positions interchangeably, they just stay put until the play is over? |
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Post by raian13 on Sept 12, 2022 16:28:54 GMT -5
Oh well, when Evans is cleared to play I don’t know how the middle position is going to pan out. Tiffany is getting more reps and she’s getting better there. The slide is her best area offensively. Otherwise will she be moved to the Opp? I honestly don’t know how good Evans is but I’m looking forward to seeing her play.
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Post by Logan Tom Fan on Sept 12, 2022 16:56:15 GMT -5
Oh well, when Evans is cleared to play I don’t know how the middle position is going to pan out. Tiffany is getting more reps and she’s getting better there. The slide is her best area offensively. Otherwise will she be moved to the Opp? I honestly don’t know how good Evans is but I’m looking forward to seeing her play. Just keep in mind that no player is the same after having surgery for an injury, especially in the knees. |
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Post by hwnstunner on Sept 12, 2022 16:57:55 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to see what the staff does once Evans is ready to roll. Ah Mow wants the best six on the court at all times, I believe Evans would be part of that. However, Westerberg is really coming along at M2. Hawaii is really weak at OPP tho. Maybe Evans plays opposite for a bigger block? The BWC will be a great time to see if it can come together.
Sometimes the three middle offense comes off confusing, but in its simplest form, its just having a true middle play opposite and that "opposite that is a true middle" runs can run combo plays with the true middles she's up front with. And as other posters said, because Igiede and Westerberg can hit high sets at the opposite, quicks in the middle, and slides, a three-middle offense is highly doable - and yes - they are running some of that now with Akana.
So the real question right now - who will be the best opposite option? Akana or Evans?
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Post by hwnstunner on Sept 12, 2022 17:03:41 GMT -5
Sorry for the double-post...
Hawaii has eight seniors and Igiede, Wagoner, Westerberg, Akana and I believe Evans are on scholarship (Edmonds, Ham, and Cowell are walk-ons). With that said, with the COVID year in play, does that mean the scholarships next year for the five scholarship seniors would need to be paid through fundraising a la Van Sickle, Williams, and now Byrd , and not the allowed 12?
I would think so. So doesn't that also mean Hawaii essentially has another five scholarships to give out next season?
Curious if anyone can provide some insight lol. It sounds crazy that Hawaii could have a roster of over 20 next year.
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Post by babybacksets on Sept 12, 2022 17:07:52 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to see what the staff does once Evans is ready to roll. Ah Mow wants the best six on the court at all times, I believe Evans would be part of that. However, Westerberg is really coming along at M2. Hawaii is really weak at OPP tho. Maybe Evans plays opposite for a bigger block? The BWC will be a great time to see if it can come together. Sometimes the three middle offense comes off confusing, but in its simplest form, its just having a true middle play opposite and that "opposite that is a true middle" runs can run combo plays with the true middles she's up front with. And as other posters said, because Igiede and Westerberg can hit high sets at the opposite, quicks in the middle, and slides, a three-middle offense is highly doable - and yes - they are running some of that now with Akana. So the real question right now - who will be the best opposite option? Akana or Evans? There is no reason to consider Evans for opposite when she has literally never trained as one. Evans in the middle. Tiff on the rightside. The End. |
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Post by bucky415 on Sept 12, 2022 17:09:48 GMT -5
Oh well, when Evans is cleared to play I don’t know how the middle position is going to pan out. Tiffany is getting more reps and she’s getting better there. The slide is her best area offensively. Otherwise will she be moved to the Opp? I honestly don’t know how good Evans is but I’m looking forward to seeing her play. I would keep Westerberg in the middle. The slide is an option Hawai'i needs, I think. I also wonder if they will try Igiede on more two footed attacks from the right side, as she had the kill on that early in the fifth on Saturday. More diversity to keep opponents off balance could help. |
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Post by jttaberu on Sept 12, 2022 17:20:14 GMT -5
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Sept 12, 2022 17:47:48 GMT -5
Oh well, when Evans is cleared to play I don’t know how the middle position is going to pan out. Tiffany is getting more reps and she’s getting better there. The slide is her best area offensively. Otherwise will she be moved to the Opp? I honestly don’t know how good Evans is but I’m looking forward to seeing her play. I would keep Westerberg in the middle. The slide is an option Hawai'i needs, I think. I also wonder if they will try Igiede on more two footed attacks from the right side, as she had the kill on that early in the fifth on Saturday. More diversity to keep opponents off balance could help. she did! but admittedly she looked a little awkward/goofy footed on the approach. i'm not sure if that was a set play, or an ad lib. need more reps at it, if they're going to be including it as part of the gameplan. it's igiede, so i don't doubt she has the athleticism to smooth it out. but keep in mind, it took her some time to get the slide going. it took a season, and it's quite a weapon now. so this too could take some time. |
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Post by brooselee on Sept 12, 2022 18:09:40 GMT -5
I would keep Westerberg in the middle. The slide is an option Hawai'i needs, I think. I also wonder if they will try Igiede on more two footed attacks from the right side, as she had the kill on that early in the fifth on Saturday. More diversity to keep opponents off balance could help. she did! but admittedly she looked a little awkward/goofy footed on the approach. i'm not sure if that was a set play, or an ad lib. need more reps at it, if they're going to be including it as part of the gameplan. it's igiede, so i don't doubt she has the athleticism to smooth it out. but keep in mind, it took her some time to get the slide going. it took a season, and it's quite a weapon now. so this too could take some time. I'm not sure if that was a set play also but I'm leaning toward it being a set play because I think she did it twice. Maybe somewhat of an unusual play to get the timing of the blocker off? Maybe showing the block a different look? Maybe taking off on two would allow Amber to put more power into her hit? We shall see if this continues to be part of the repertoire. If we see this again, then it's part of the offense. I like it though. The blockers are going to have to figure out whether to go up quick and block the slide or wait a split second and block the two footed shot. That split second of indecision could be costly for the blockers. |
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