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Post by noblesol on Sept 21, 2022 21:37:39 GMT -5
Not sure how accurate it is, but according to the stats on the Hawaii athletics stats, Wagoner has 192 serve receptions, Edmonds has 170 serve receptions, and Ikenaga has 108 serve receptions That does seem off, Wagoner’s I can understand but did not think Talia would have more receptions. Hopefully Ikenaga Can sure that part of her game up because she does provide the most important aspect of what is needed out of a Libero, defense, but would definitely need to see her become more well rounded. Does it seem odd that the UH libero, almost always in the passing formation, is served much less than OH Wagoner, much less than DS Edmonds, yet has worse volleymetric's passing numbers? If those are 'reliable' numbers, why hasn't she been the focus of the oppostion's serve?
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Post by practicesafesets on Sept 21, 2022 21:48:34 GMT -5
The odd thing is that neither Stella nor DNS were the juggernauts for their respective teams. Lauren Medeck led PLVS with 26 kills and Laird led Westside with 20ish kills too. DNS put in work for 6 rotations, Stella was assigned to front row only this match. Hope she can get more opportunities to work on her all around game. I feel like in high school teams, athletes are at such varying degrees of their development that you can only get so much out of projecting where they will be long term. Not to mention that Papillon is stacked and I’m sure whoever is DSing for Stella is a beast defensive player in her own right. Perhaps Stella's team is stacked? She actually got yanked in the 5th set entirely. Her rolls and tips get predictable. She doesn't seem to have the cutty shot in her repertoire. Curious how she will perform in Oct vs top HS teams
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Post by staticb on Sept 21, 2022 23:14:28 GMT -5
That does seem off, Wagoner’s I can understand but did not think Talia would have more receptions. Hopefully Ikenaga Can sure that part of her game up because she does provide the most important aspect of what is needed out of a Libero, defense, but would definitely need to see her become more well rounded. Does it seem odd that the UH libero, almost always in the passing formation, is served much less than OH Wagoner, much less than DS Edmonds, yet has worse volleymetric's passing numbers? If those are 'reliable' numbers, why hasn't she been the focus of the oppostion's serve? With Wagoner, it's to make her pass and then hit or take her out of the play and force the setter to make a tough play. I would guess Hawaii has it's lowest Side Out percentage when Wagoner is served and in the front row. Last year, Ikenaga had solid passing numbers, on par with the top libero group.
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Post by babybacksets on Sept 21, 2022 23:41:20 GMT -5
Does it seem odd that the UH libero, almost always in the passing formation, is served much less than OH Wagoner, much less than DS Edmonds, yet has worse volleymetric's passing numbers? If those are 'reliable' numbers, why hasn't she been the focus of the oppostion's serve? With Wagoner, it's to make her pass and then hit or take her out of the play and force the setter to make a tough play. I would guess Hawaii has it's lowest Side Out percentage when Wagoner is served and in the front row. Last year, Ikenaga had solid passing numbers, on par with the top libero group. Yea her numbers weren’t bad this year but it’s hard to determine if the lower total amount of receptions makes a difference in her overall passing numbers compared to others. Either way she needs to trend upwards from here on out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2022 23:43:56 GMT -5
Passing stats are subjective anyway, and there is no way Edmonds is posting better numbers. Are shanks considered "good passes?" cause Edmonds gets a ton of those over Ikenaga. VolleyMetrics is reliable which is where they are getting their numbers from but I would need to see how many more balls she’s passed compared to everyone else Volume definitely matters
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Post by noblesol on Sept 21, 2022 23:48:39 GMT -5
Does it seem odd that the UH libero, almost always in the passing formation, is served much less than OH Wagoner, much less than DS Edmonds, yet has worse volleymetric's passing numbers? If those are 'reliable' numbers, why hasn't she been the focus of the oppostion's serve? With Wagoner, it's to make her pass and then hit or take her out of the play and force the setter to make a tough play. I would guess Hawaii has it's lowest Side Out percentage when Wagoner is served and in the front row. Last year, Ikenaga had solid passing numbers, on par with the top libero group. hai
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Post by noblesol on Sept 21, 2022 23:52:09 GMT -5
With Wagoner, it's to make her pass and then hit or take her out of the play and force the setter to make a tough play. I would guess Hawaii has it's lowest Side Out percentage when Wagoner is served and in the front row. Last year, Ikenaga had solid passing numbers, on par with the top libero group. Yea her numbers weren’t bad this year but it’s hard to determine if the lower total amount of receptions makes a difference in her overall passing numbers compared to others. Either way she needs to trend upwards from here on out. Or, maybe the occasional shank when it doesn't matter keeps her goodpass% low, makes her a more tempting target, and helps keep the serve off of Wagoner, resulting in a higher SO% 🤷♀️🤦♂️
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Post by noblesol on Sept 22, 2022 0:05:10 GMT -5
I feel like in high school teams, athletes are at such varying degrees of their development that you can only get so much out of projecting where they will be long term. Not to mention that Papillon is stacked and I’m sure whoever is DSing for Stella is a beast defensive player in her own right. Perhaps Stella's team is stacked? She actually got yanked in the 5th set entirely. Her rolls and tips get predictable. She doesn't seem to have the cutty shot in her repertoire. Curious how she will perform in Oct vs top HS teams Her team is stacked...top 10 in state. But, she wasn't yanked in the 5th. She played her regular rotation, picked up her 16th kill, rotated out, and never got back in as her team went on to win before she could rotate back in. And, she was in the passing formation when playing up front and while she was a target in the early sets, they served her less later. Also, noticed her right wrist was heavily taped, with tape wrapped up to and around her thumb. My guess it was affecting her shots, because in the early sets, they avoided setting her except when she was the only option, and they frequently ran a play where she slid right to take a quick in the middle. It didn't work too well as the passing and setting was rarely on point enough to run the middle.
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Post by practicesafesets on Sept 22, 2022 0:58:23 GMT -5
Perhaps Stella's team is stacked? She actually got yanked in the 5th set entirely. Her rolls and tips get predictable. She doesn't seem to have the cutty shot in her repertoire. Curious how she will perform in Oct vs top HS teams Her team is stacked...top 10 in state. But, she wasn't yanked in the 5th. She played her regular rotation, picked up her 16th kill, rotated out, and never got back in as her team went on to win before she could rotate back in. And, she was in the passing formation when playing up front and while she was a target in the early sets, they served her less later. Also, noticed her right wrist was heavily taped, with tape wrapped up to and around her thumb. My guess it was affecting her shots, because in the early sets, they avoided setting her except when she was the only option, and they frequently ran a play where she slid right to take a quick in the middle. It didn't work too well as the passing and setting was rarely on point enough to run the middle. Stella was yanked for a freshman DS. Perhaps her coach wanted to preserve her for offense
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Post by noblesol on Sept 22, 2022 3:10:36 GMT -5
Her team is stacked...top 10 in state. But, she wasn't yanked in the 5th. She played her regular rotation, picked up her 16th kill, rotated out, and never got back in as her team went on to win before she could rotate back in. And, she was in the passing formation when playing up front and while she was a target in the early sets, they served her less later. Also, noticed her right wrist was heavily taped, with tape wrapped up to and around her thumb. My guess it was affecting her shots, because in the early sets, they avoided setting her except when she was the only option, and they frequently ran a play where she slid right to take a quick in the middle. It didn't work too well as the passing and setting was rarely on point enough to run the middle. Stella was yanked for a freshman DS. Perhaps her coach wanted to preserve her for offense She was substituted out when she rotated to the back-row all match. She didn't serve at all. And they continued with that same rotation into and throughout the 5th. So, agreed, they were attempting to lower the stress on her injury and preserve her as a threat in the front row. She played through injury, played just half of the rotations, didn't serve, and still impacted the outcome with 16 kills. So, not 'yanked' for lack of contribution, but 'saved' for what she could bring to the front row.
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Post by practicesafesets on Sept 22, 2022 3:14:58 GMT -5
Stella was yanked for a freshman DS. Perhaps her coach wanted to preserve her for offense She was substituted out when she rotated to the back-row all match. She didn't serve at all. And they continued with that same rotation into and throughout the 5th. So, agreed, they were attempting to lower the stress on her injury and preserve her as a threat in the front row. She played through injury, played just half of the rotations, didn't serve, and still impacted the outcome with 16 kills. So, not 'yanked' for lack of contribution, but 'saved' for what she could bring to the front row. or 'yanked' to preserve her for the front row
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Post by babybacksets on Sept 22, 2022 4:42:10 GMT -5
She was substituted out when she rotated to the back-row all match. She didn't serve at all. And they continued with that same rotation into and throughout the 5th. So, agreed, they were attempting to lower the stress on her injury and preserve her as a threat in the front row. She played through injury, played just half of the rotations, didn't serve, and still impacted the outcome with 16 kills. So, not 'yanked' for lack of contribution, but 'saved' for what she could bring to the front row. or 'yanked' to preserve her for the front row lol nah I think you’re wrong on this one just seems like a substitution situation. Is there a reason you’re being actively hostile against this recruit?
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Post by Kangaroo on Sept 22, 2022 10:36:59 GMT -5
She was substituted out when she rotated to the back-row all match. She didn't serve at all. And they continued with that same rotation into and throughout the 5th. So, agreed, they were attempting to lower the stress on her injury and preserve her as a threat in the front row. She played through injury, played just half of the rotations, didn't serve, and still impacted the outcome with 16 kills. So, not 'yanked' for lack of contribution, but 'saved' for what she could bring to the front row. or 'yanked' to preserve her for the front row just like how Caylen and Brae are yanked every game in the back row 😔
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Post by practicesafesets on Sept 22, 2022 11:47:02 GMT -5
or 'yanked' to preserve her for the front row just like how Caylen and Brae are yanked every game in the back row 😔 We love to see Caylen in the back row tho
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Post by 2left on Sept 22, 2022 11:47:52 GMT -5
VolleyMetrics is reliable which is where they are getting their numbers from but I would need to see how many more balls she’s passed compared to everyone else Volume definitely matters I think that passing is one of those areas where as a fan, perception begins to rule since I don't have large volume statistics. I'll remember a person who makes several bad passes in a row or just one in a crucial situation, so in my head when the person makes another error I'll think "bad passer". I'm almost always surprised when someone posts VolleyMetric stats.
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