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Post by avid 2.0 on Jul 1, 2022 12:00:37 GMT -5
how is that not the definition of a deep roster though?
you dont think italy/serbia/china/brazil/turkey wont be drooling over half of the players USA has/won't even be using?
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Post by Pipe Attack on Jul 1, 2022 12:06:03 GMT -5
Has our depth been this deep before? I only started really following following international usav the past couple years. I remember there was a Foecke, Lake, Lee etc. era how did they compare to the newcomers today? Yes! I believe the quad leading up to the 2012 games was a roster with incredible depth. The "B" squad could beat other "A" squads on the world stage. So the Olympic team comprised of: OH: Larson, Hodge, Tom Opp: Hooker, Haneef-Park S: Berg, Thompson MB: Scott-Aruda, Harmoto, Akinradewo L: Davis, Miyashiro That means these players were left out: OH: Cynthia Barboza, Kristin Richards Opp: Nancy Metcalf, Nicole Fawcett S: Alisha Glass, MB: Heather Bown That was a super strong roster which dominated that quad and should have won the Olympics. Maybe that's why when Karch took over - he had to make some changes? Because looking back, this team had no business losing (with their wide roster). With that said, some roster spots were questionable. The USA is in a good position with the players they have and right now it's good we don't really have to burnout any players with the club season and international national team season. Aside from the VNL squads we are seeing, once Russia gets reinstated, they should also have a very strong team - along with probably those mentioned earlier in the thread - Brazil, Italy, China, Serbia, Japan. Those seem to be the contenders.
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Post by manyshaped on Jul 1, 2022 12:07:21 GMT -5
how is that not the definition of a deep roster though? you dont think italy/serbia/china/brazil/turkey wont be drooling over half of the players USA has/won't even be using? you could list all of the position needs each of those NTs need and we would have a spare player that they would love to naturalize lol
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Post by huskyvolley on Jul 1, 2022 12:23:21 GMT -5
how is that not the definition of a deep roster though? you dont think italy/serbia/china/brazil/turkey wont be drooling over half of the players USA has/won't even be using? Does that say more about they suck or USA is better? I honestly don't know if the current USWNT is better than USWNT in 2016 or 2012. I thought that's what the OP was asking "Has our depth been this deep before?" I think USWNT maintains the same amount of depth, but other NTs are much weaker. I would not say this indicates we are deeper compared to 2016 or 2012. I also believe that several players were top 3 at their positions in 2016 and 2012. Currently, I don't know? we just have more consistent talents across all positions and there are holes in other NTs.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jul 1, 2022 12:26:26 GMT -5
how is that not the definition of a deep roster though? you dont think italy/serbia/china/brazil/turkey wont be drooling over half of the players USA has/won't even be using? Does that say more about they suck or USA is better? I honestly don't know if the current USWNT is better than USWNT in 2016 or 2012. I thought that's what the OP was asking "Has our depth been this deep before?" I think USWNT maintains the same amount of depth, but other NTs are much weaker. I would not say this indicates we are deeper compared to 2016 or 2012. I also believe that several players were top 3 at their positions in 2016 and 2012. Currently, I don't know? we just have more consistent talents across all positions and there are holes in other NTs. Oh I get what you're saying now. I think in regards to depth, both kinda matter. (how good they are, but also how good the competition is) so its going to fluctuate.
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jul 1, 2022 13:16:18 GMT -5
how is that not the definition of a deep roster though? you dont think italy/serbia/china/brazil/turkey wont be drooling over half of the players USA has/won't even be using? can we have some middles? preferably the kind that can close a block?
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jul 1, 2022 13:17:35 GMT -5
how is that not the definition of a deep roster though? you dont think italy/serbia/china/brazil/turkey wont be drooling over half of the players USA has/won't even be using? can we have some middles? preferably the kind that can close a block? not someone to replace Jin Ye? lol
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Post by huskyvolley on Jul 1, 2022 13:21:00 GMT -5
how is that not the definition of a deep roster though? you dont think italy/serbia/china/brazil/turkey wont be drooling over half of the players USA has/won't even be using? can we have some middles? preferably the kind that can close a block? You can have Dixon
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jul 1, 2022 13:22:08 GMT -5
can we have some middles? preferably the kind that can close a block? not someone to replace Jin Ye? lol she'll get replaced when either Zhang or Zhu comes back, i don't even care about outside
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Post by vollectator on Jul 1, 2022 13:44:11 GMT -5
not someone to replace Jin Ye? lol she'll get replaced when either Zhang or Zhu comes back, i don't even care about outside How much confidence would you have in Zhu and ZCN’s condition when they come back though. Especially in ZCN’s case, is she coming back at all? She’s marrying into a well-to-do family, and that often is the end of a woman’s professional pursuits in that culture, is it not, particularly in sports?
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jul 1, 2022 14:17:54 GMT -5
she'll get replaced when either Zhang or Zhu comes back, i don't even care about outside How much confidence would you have in Zhu and ZCN’s condition when they come back though. Especially in ZCN’s case, is she coming back at all? She’s marrying into a well-to-do family, and that often is the end of a woman’s professional pursuits in that culture, is it not, particularly in sports? I'm sure Zhu will be coming back and would be at least as good as LYY. She said she was going to play 2 more olympics and was the best outside even with injury in the first 3 matches in tokyo (after that it didn't matter because of mathematical elimination) and the operation from one of the best sports doctors on the planet can't make her condition worse. Scandicci is/was willing to bet 1m euro on her wrist being good.
As for ZCN, pretty sure she makes more money than her fiancee/husband. But no clue what her condition will be when/if she returns, she just goes on stuff like variety shows and some fans said she put on a bit more weight lol. Still, can't be worse than Jin Ye...
> She’s marrying into a well-to-do family, and that often is the end of a woman’s professional pursuits in that culture, is it not, particularly in sports?
No. ONLY in sports. Still, the coach left her jersey number for her, I think it's >50% that she would return.
If this VNL team is the one going to WCH I don't have high hopes, and Cai bin can count his numbered days
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Post by huskyvolley on Jul 1, 2022 14:57:12 GMT -5
not someone to replace Jin Ye? lol she'll get replaced when either Zhang or Zhu comes back, i don't even care about outside I saw a rumor about Zhu not coming back for WCH. Is that still true?
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jul 1, 2022 14:59:35 GMT -5
she'll get replaced when either Zhang or Zhu comes back, i don't even care about outside I saw a rumor about Zhu not coming back for WCH. Is that still true? Yes, enjoy the gold medal.
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jul 1, 2022 15:00:57 GMT -5
I saw a rumor about Zhu not coming back for WCH. Is that still true? Yes, enjoy the gold medal. with the surgery being in april/may and a 6-7 month recovery i think it's pretty clear she won't make it in time. VEGGIE BUNS ON HIS OWN.
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Post by trollhunter on Jul 1, 2022 15:37:49 GMT -5
Cross-posting this from the Men's board, as it gives some insight to KK's "kumbaya" management. It was called Outward Bound when he played for USA. If Gold Is Our Destiny
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