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Post by BeachbytheBay on Dec 9, 2022 17:45:59 GMT -5
lol, Long Beach is also stuck with the Big West wait Long Beach has won more commissioner's cups and Hawaii never has. count on some always putting the 'Waaahhhh' in Wahine ! jeez, any program worth it's salt will have an at-large resume regardless (like Hawaii has), so the tournament is not even relevent it creates better matches for the top teams, creates interest towards end of season. hard to see the downside unless one has a defeatest mentality, & IT INCREASES LIKELY BIDS AND INTEREST in the conference. why exactly is that bad? oh, because at some point some non Hawaii team will steal a bid from a MARGINAL 1st place regular season Hawaii team that might finish outside the top 50. just smh The Hawaii fanbase is trolled heavily, I've come to believe, by those who claim to be fans but are really there to bring discredit to the collective group. They become the easy nail to pound on. Don't get sucked in... and generalize from them to others; no matter what side of the argument one is on. Don't feed it. I'm with roy on this one. A four-bid tournament would have been preferred to a six-bid, but it was probably not going to get the support it needed from the plurality. Going to an 18-match regular season is the right move, but how will that work? I'm curious how they'll handle scheduling the 18 regular conference dates. Odd they haven't laid that out. Reward the 1 & 2 seeds the following season with not having to play the the cellar dweller twice the following season is my hope. Then #3 skips the #10, #4 the #9, etc. That would benefit the top teams the following season, and the cellar dwellar the following season gets a shot at more non-conference matches that it might have a chance of winning, helping it move up in RPI potentially. an 18 game schedule, to be fair, I'm assuming will rotate 2 teams you only play once every year. will there be automatic 'rivalry' games? I actually doubt that because frankly there aren't a lot of true rivalries. the downside is there will be years Beach only plays Hawaii once. Are Beach and Hawaii a rivalry? historically yes. But then Beach and Fullerton are such in Baseball. Beach & Irvine have a 'black n blue' series, although there's really not some historical rivalry. Beach and Santa Barbara has been sort of. Riverside? lol, it has no rivalries. Davis? no, Poly in football, but Football is not in the Big West UCSD & Bake? too soon to have any sort of rivalry. Maybe we could establish a Bakersfield-Riverside Rivalry...have no idea what one would call it other than the "worst f'ing location and weather and smog in Calif. series" ! with the winner getting a painting of grey/brown to hang up in the lobby. Frankly, in terms of rivalries, the cloest one across sports is Cal Poly & Santa Barbara and for a lot of reasons they probably have the best argument over any other pair of teams out there. we could also propose Riverside and Bake play each other 18 times, while the others just play a normal 18 game schedule. I like that, even if it is a really mean dispicable and not nice to say so. |
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Post by noblesol on Dec 9, 2022 17:54:32 GMT -5
The Hawaii fanbase is trolled heavily, I've come to believe, by those who claim to be fans but are really there to bring discredit to the collective group. They become the easy nail to pound on. Don't get sucked in... and generalize from them to others; no matter what side of the argument one is on. Don't feed it. I'm with roy on this one. A four-bid tournament would have been preferred to a six-bid, but it was probably not going to get the support it needed from the plurality. Going to an 18-match regular season is the right move, but how will that work? I'm curious how they'll handle scheduling the 18 regular conference dates. Odd they haven't laid that out. Reward the 1 & 2 seeds the following season with not having to play the the cellar dweller twice the following season is my hope. Then #3 skips the #10, #4 the #9, etc. That would benefit the top teams the following season, and the cellar dwellar the following season gets a shot at more non-conference matches that it might have a chance of winning, helping it move up in RPI potentially. an 18 game schedule, to be fair, I'm assuming will rotate 2 teams you only play once every year. will there be automatic 'rivalry' games? I actually doubt that because frankly there aren't a lot of true rivalries. the downside is there will be years Beach only plays Hawaii once. Are Beach and Hawaii a rivalry? historically yes. But then Beach and Fullerton are such in Baseball. Beach & Irvine have a 'black n blue' series, although there's really not some historical rivalry. Beach and Santa Barbara has been sort of. Riverside? lol, it has no rivalries. Davis? no, Poly in football, but Football is not in the Big West UCSD & Bake? too soon to have any sort of rivalry. Maybe we could establish a Bakersfield-Riverside Rivalry...have no idea what one would call it other than the "worst f'ing location and weather and smog in Calif. series" ! with the winner getting a painting of grey/brown to hang up in the lobby. Frankly, in terms of rivalries, the cloest one across sports is Cal Poly & Santa Barbara and for a lot of reasons they probably have the best argument over any other pair of teams out there. we could also propose Riverside and Bake play each other 18 times, while the others just play a normal 18 game schedule. I like that, even if it is a really mean dispicable and not nice to say so. LOL 🤣 |
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Post by gr8lakes on Dec 9, 2022 18:20:43 GMT -5
Just realized that Penn State had 2 starters that transferred from Big West schools.
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Post by trojansc on Dec 9, 2022 18:30:45 GMT -5
The only impact a Conference Tournament would have on the Wahine is that they will lose their one open week. The week they normally hold their alumni match. Hawaii will still have 3 weeks to have pre-conference matches. Conference tournaments don't affect competition dates, Hawaii will actually have *more* non-conference opportunities this format. They are gaining 2 competition dates by going from a 20 to 18 game conference schedule. That means this year, they could have scheduled two more non-conference opponents. This is a great thing for Hawaii's RPI. |
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Post by trojansc on Dec 9, 2022 18:33:11 GMT -5
The Big West should have a tournament! Limit it to the top 4 teams. Though the new additions make it so a double round robin wouldn't be possible with that. They almost listened. 6 teams is OK - but I think 4 was probably best for RPI purposes and maxing out at-large bids. |
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Post by roy on Dec 9, 2022 18:36:37 GMT -5
The Hawaii fanbase is trolled heavily, I've come to believe, by those who claim to be fans but are really there to bring discredit to the collective group. They become the easy nail to pound on. Don't get sucked in... and generalize from them to others; no matter what side of the argument one is on. Don't feed it. I'm with roy on this one. A four-bid tournament would have been preferred to a six-bid, but it was probably not going to get the support it needed from the plurality. Going to an 18-match regular season is the right move, but how will that work? I'm curious how they'll handle scheduling the 18 regular conference dates. Odd they haven't laid that out. Reward the 1 & 2 seeds the following season with not having to play the the cellar dweller twice the following season is my hope. Then #3 skips the #10, #4 the #9, etc. That would benefit the top teams the following season, and the cellar dwellar the following season gets a shot at more non-conference matches that it might have a chance of winning, helping it move up in RPI potentially. I think it's the pairings that I struggle with the most. Right now, I think the pairings between travel partners are very fair. I don't think anyone wants to go back to facing Cal Poly and UCSB on back to back nights. The current travel group has an upper team paired with a lower team, so it evens out. And frankly, sometimes you don't know how a team is going to do. In 2019, Fullerton won a lot of out of conference matches against weaker opponents. I recall after playing them, Hawaii's RPI went up. And Bakersfield was fourth in the conference last year, so sometimes you can't predict how well a team is going to do. I'm going to hope that have the opportunity for 4 weeks of non-conference and not being limited to 8 non-conference games will make up for facing a UCR on your conference schedule. |
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Post by noblesol on Dec 9, 2022 18:54:33 GMT -5
The only impact a Conference Tournament would have on the Wahine is that they will lose their one open week. The week they normally hold their alumni match. Hawaii will still have 3 weeks to have pre-conference matches. Conference tournaments don't affect competition dates, Hawaii will actually have *more* non-conference opportunities this format. They are gaining 2 competition dates by going from a 20 to 18 game conference schedule. That means this year, they could have scheduled two more non-conference opponents. This is a great thing for Hawaii's RPI. Hawai'i shouldn't lose calendar week#4 of non-conference under this format, which was the main concern. So, during non-conference, Hawai'i should be able to maintain the schedule flexibility to schedule two tournaments with three guest teams, a week on the road for non-conference, and in week#4 an alumni match and perhaps bring in one more team for two matches. And, they should be able to maintain a bye week during the conference season. The tournament then fits into the last week of regular season. |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Dec 9, 2022 18:58:07 GMT -5
Dumb. “Let’s give other teams another chance to beat Hawaii and make the tournament.” Hawaii has only missed 2 NCAA tournaments in its history- in 1992 during an injury plagued season and in 2020 when the Big West canceled its season. Hawaii would have made the tournament as an at-large this season if they didn’t get the auto bid so what is every other team’s excuse? And if the tournament is not in Hawaii, it’s even more stupid. We don’t need a tourney to know which Big West team is the best.
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Post by HawaiiVB on Dec 9, 2022 19:07:08 GMT -5
You aren't really understanding the RPI impact here. Look at what happened to the Horizon, MAC, A-Sun teams after their tournaments this year. It will add at-large bids for the BWC and bumps teams from a subregional 4 seed (playing a Top team in the first round) to a 3 seed (playing an at-large in the first round). In years when Hawaii is due for a Top 32 seed, it would basically always raise it, with very little chance for harming it. Agreed. But how they'll handle the reduction in the conference regular season hasn't been laid out. Done right, it helps. But they haven't described that detail yet. The other issue is how much help is a jump in RPI that occurs from a tournament in the last week. Based on this years selection committee, for teams near the bubble, they appear to have largely ignored the last week of matches, and its impact on bubble team RPI. That may be true, but so far, for this conference, it went the opposite direction for this sport only. And as the scheduling spaces are lesser each year, the power 5's are getting more strategic when scheduling outside of the power conferences. We wouldn't be having this discussion if our conferences' teams had higher RPI's to begin with across the board. Only a few seasons back we had three teams in. Hawai'i in 2019 made it to the regionals. So its not impossible, but it has to be consistent. meaning the BW teams in the pre-conference, has to win more than they lose collectively. You cannot have three or four teams carry the load for the rest of the conference. And looking at this past season as an example, its not the quality of the players, its not the quality of the coaches for both, we have quality all around, I blame it on the conference and to what priority do they give our sport both men's and women's. I mean, just to see updated news on matches takes days before it even gets uploaded into the BW website. And there is very little coverage to begin with. The BW has to change its mindset about how they are going to promote all sports in the conference, not just basketball or baseball. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2022 19:18:52 GMT -5
Per BW twitter the conference will have a tournament starting next season. There will be 6 teams with the top two getting a first round bye. Yay! I’m actually more for this now than I was a few weeks ago. |
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Post by staticb on Dec 9, 2022 19:22:51 GMT -5
Dumb. “Let’s give other teams another chance to beat Hawaii and make the tournament.” Hawaii has only missed 2 NCAA tournaments in its history- in 1992 during an injury plagued season and in 2020 when the Big West canceled its season. Hawaii would have made the tournament as an at-large this season if they didn’t get the auto bid so what is every other team’s excuse? And if the tournament is not in Hawaii, it’s even more stupid. We don’t need a tourney to know which Big West team is the best. I'm actually surprised that the Big West has not had a conference tournament and made Hawaii the host, just so it can make more $$$ in revenues like they do in the men's tournament. (Which was a conference money maker) The rumor back in the day was that the baseball powers (and volleyball powers) were teaming up to keep both sports from having conference tourneys. Politically, if Hawaii were to cave on a volleyball tourney, then I would want the Big West to have a baseball tourney as well. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Dec 9, 2022 19:29:15 GMT -5
Dumb. “Let’s give other teams another chance to beat Hawaii and make the tournament.” Hawaii has only missed 2 NCAA tournaments in its history- in 1992 during an injury plagued season and in 2020 when the Big West canceled its season. Hawaii would have made the tournament as an at-large this season if they didn’t get the auto bid so what is every other team’s excuse? And if the tournament is not in Hawaii, it’s even more stupid. We don’t need a tourney to know which Big West team is the best. ok, so let's get rid of the MVB and Beach VB tournaments, since we don't need those to determine who the best team is!! which means last year in MVB, Long Beach was the best team!! right?! oh, but then we had a conf tournament oh, that's right, they held a Big West conference tournament and Hawaii got that auto-bid! I just love these types of arguments about who is the best team the point in a regular season is to determine a conference champ (the best team). teh point in a conf tournament is to determine an auto-bid (like Hawaii did last year in the MVB tournament). Imagine last year (after Hawaii had lost twice to Ball State, + other losses) if there was no Big West tournament, and Hawaii didn't make the NCAAs because in the BWCT Hawaii got to get the auto-bid (which may have gone to Penn State otherwise). then the 'best team' at the end of year, which was Hawaii would NOT have had the opportunity to get in and play for a NC this is so fun reading all the reasons a BWCT is no good for WVB, yet apparently is good for MVB and Beach VB, lol funny as heck!!! I know, to satisfy the Hawaii 'mafia'. we can have a BWCT, but it has to be in Hawaii every year, if Hawaii wins the regular season & #1 seed, Hawaii gets the auto-bid, and if by some fat chance, Hawaii finishes lower than 6th, they get a bye in the tournament anyway and that other 6th seed, doesn't get to play. that should satisfy the mafia!! |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Dec 9, 2022 19:30:07 GMT -5
Dumb. “Let’s give other teams another chance to beat Hawaii and make the tournament.” Hawaii has only missed 2 NCAA tournaments in its history- in 1992 during an injury plagued season and in 2020 when the Big West canceled its season. Hawaii would have made the tournament as an at-large this season if they didn’t get the auto bid so what is every other team’s excuse? And if the tournament is not in Hawaii, it’s even more stupid. We don’t need a tourney to know which Big West team is the best. I'm actually surprised that the Big West has not had a conference tournament and made Hawaii the host, just so it can make more $$$ in revenues like they do in the men's tournament. (Which was a conference money maker) The rumor back in the day was that the baseball powers (and volleyball powers) were teaming up to keep both sports from having conference tourneys. Politically, if Hawaii were to cave on a volleyball tourney, then I would want the Big West to have a baseball tourney as well. lol, like this involves Hawaii 'caving' READ the announcement, BASeball will ahve a tourney, all sports will |
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Post by beachgrad on Dec 9, 2022 19:31:45 GMT -5
Dumb. “Let’s give other teams another chance to beat Hawaii and make the tournament.” Hawaii has only missed 2 NCAA tournaments in its history- in 1992 during an injury plagued season and in 2020 when the Big West canceled its season. Hawaii would have made the tournament as an at-large this season if they didn’t get the auto bid so what is every other team’s excuse? And if the tournament is not in Hawaii, it’s even more stupid. We don’t need a tourney to know which Big West team is the best. I'm actually surprised that the Big West has not had a conference tournament and made Hawaii the host, just so it can make more $$$ in revenues like they do in the men's tournament. (Which was a conference money maker) The rumor back in the day was that the baseball powers (and volleyball powers) were teaming up to keep both sports from having conference tourneys. Politically, if Hawaii were to cave on a volleyball tourney, then I would want the Big West to have a baseball tourney as well. I believe that both baseball and softball will start their conference tourneys in 2025. I expect the tourney will be rotated like they do for other sports. |
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Post by noblesol on Dec 9, 2022 19:35:19 GMT -5
Dumb. “Let’s give other teams another chance to beat Hawaii and make the tournament.” Hawaii has only missed 2 NCAA tournaments in its history- in 1992 during an injury plagued season and in 2020 when the Big West canceled its season. Hawaii would have made the tournament as an at-large this season if they didn’t get the auto bid so what is every other team’s excuse? And if the tournament is not in Hawaii, it’s even more stupid. We don’t need a tourney to know which Big West team is the best. Dumb or smart, it's a done deal apparently. Hawai'i didn't 'need' a tournament. But, done right, it's not going to harm their program most years, and may help. How the conference handles scheduling the regular season 18 matches, could be the small devil in the details. Hawai'i doesn't want to lose matches with the top tier conference teams, and wants to avoid unreasonable back-to-back travel pairings when on the road. |
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