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Post by d3coach on Jan 11, 2022 17:38:24 GMT -5
I will admit I do not know that much about the new Notre Dame coach. I know she was a fantastic player and a very capable assistant coach that went back and forth from Penn State to Texas and back to PSU. Is that right? Has she ever been a head coach of a college team or a head ocach at some other level? Did she consider becoming the head coach at PSU? It baffles me a bit about the reverence she seems to have on Volleytalk. Someone educate me please. I've asked these questions, too. It's interesting contrasting the reaction to Salima's hire with Katie Schumacher-Cawley's hire. I think the difference is that Salima has nothing but success. Consider: 2001 Pitt - 11-16 / 7-5 2002 Pitt - 20-9 / 9-4 2003 Pitt - 26-6 / 11-1 (NCAA 2nd round loss to PSU) 2005 Oregon St - 11-13 (the next year they went 3-24) 2006 PSU 28-3 ELITE 8 2007 PSU 34-2 Champion 2008 PSU 38-0 Champion 2009 Texas Runner Up 2010 Texas 28-6 Sweet 16 2011 Texas 28-6 Elite 8 2012 Texas 29-4 Champion 2013 Texas 27-3 Final 4 2015 PSU 28-6 Sweet 16 2016 PSU 24-10 Sweet 16 2017 PSU 33-2 Final 4 Note: she always leaves better than she found it, she almost always leaves better than the year before. She was the recruiting coordinator everywhere except maybe OSU, not sure. She has one sub .500 year, and looking back at the team, they were pretty bad before, and awful the next year. She was also successful in sales. My point being that everything she has done to date has been HIGHLY successful minus one very mediocre year at OSU. Now I don’t know Katie at all minus her resume, but the same simply can’t be said. She had two winning seasons out of 8 at UIC and only one winning record in conference. She finished between 5-7th place every year except one. At Penn she finished 12-11 and 5th in the conference. At PSU as an assistant they consistently got to the Elite 8 but in her last year lost in the second round; their worse finish since 2002. Now none of this 100% means that one will for better than the other in their new positions. But it sure as heck is a reason why one is being hailed as an amazing hire, and the other is being called a disappointing hire. |
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Post by taxidea on Jan 11, 2022 17:42:03 GMT -5
One would had to have been in a cave or a cocoon, over recent years, to not know who Salima is. Her name, street cred + brand are synonymous with excellence. So if it turns out she has assistant coach syndrome and can't step up into the big role, does all the hype she received in the volleyball world in conjunction with being a knowledgeable broadcaster contribute to her demise if things start to not go the way she hopes? This is by no means ripping her or saying she will fail, but just seems so strange to me that she has been hyped up so hard for all these years and displayed as in waiting for Rose to retire, only to go somewhere else. I have seen plenty of amazing players and people that are super knowledgeable in the game just never figure out how to develop a team and/or translate that knowledge into multiple different ways that individual athletes may learn. Granted she will have a way easier time getting top players than say the football team does, is there a chance in the end of all this her name carried more weight than her results? Maybe. But if she doesn’t meet the expectations, I doubt it will be from a lack of hard work, or hard focused engagement. |
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Post by knapplc on Jan 11, 2022 22:42:32 GMT -5
I've asked these questions, too. It's interesting contrasting the reaction to Salima's hire with Katie Schumacher-Cawley's hire. I think the difference is that Salima has nothing but success. Consider: 2001 Pitt - 11-16 / 7-5 2002 Pitt - 20-9 / 9-4 2003 Pitt - 26-6 / 11-1 (NCAA 2nd round loss to PSU) 2005 Oregon St - 11-13 (the next year they went 3-24) 2006 PSU 28-3 ELITE 8 2007 PSU 34-2 Champion 2008 PSU 38-0 Champion 2009 Texas Runner Up 2010 Texas 28-6 Sweet 16 2011 Texas 28-6 Elite 8 2012 Texas 29-4 Champion 2013 Texas 27-3 Final 4 2015 PSU 28-6 Sweet 16 2016 PSU 24-10 Sweet 16 2017 PSU 33-2 Final 4 Note: she always leaves better than she found it, she almost always leaves better than the year before. She was the recruiting coordinator everywhere except maybe OSU, not sure. She has one sub .500 year, and looking back at the team, they were pretty bad before, and awful the next year. She was also successful in sales. My point being that everything she has done to date has been HIGHLY successful minus one very mediocre year at OSU. Now I don’t know Katie at all minus her resume, but the same simply can’t be said. She had two winning seasons out of 8 at UIC and only one winning record in conference. She finished between 5-7th place every year except one. At Penn she finished 12-11 and 5th in the conference. At PSU as an assistant they consistently got to the Elite 8 but in her last year lost in the second round; their worse finish since 2002. Now none of this 100% means that one will for better than the other in their new positions. But it sure as heck is a reason why one is being hailed as an amazing hire, and the other is being called a disappointing hire. How many of those seasons was Salima the head coach? |
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Post by d3coach on Jan 11, 2022 22:52:43 GMT -5
I think the difference is that Salima has nothing but success. Consider: 2001 Pitt - 11-16 / 7-5 2002 Pitt - 20-9 / 9-4 2003 Pitt - 26-6 / 11-1 (NCAA 2nd round loss to PSU) 2005 Oregon St - 11-13 (the next year they went 3-24) 2006 PSU 28-3 ELITE 8 2007 PSU 34-2 Champion 2008 PSU 38-0 Champion 2009 Texas Runner Up 2010 Texas 28-6 Sweet 16 2011 Texas 28-6 Elite 8 2012 Texas 29-4 Champion 2013 Texas 27-3 Final 4 2015 PSU 28-6 Sweet 16 2016 PSU 24-10 Sweet 16 2017 PSU 33-2 Final 4 Note: she always leaves better than she found it, she almost always leaves better than the year before. She was the recruiting coordinator everywhere except maybe OSU, not sure. She has one sub .500 year, and looking back at the team, they were pretty bad before, and awful the next year. She was also successful in sales. My point being that everything she has done to date has been HIGHLY successful minus one very mediocre year at OSU. Now I don’t know Katie at all minus her resume, but the same simply can’t be said. She had two winning seasons out of 8 at UIC and only one winning record in conference. She finished between 5-7th place every year except one. At Penn she finished 12-11 and 5th in the conference. At PSU as an assistant they consistently got to the Elite 8 but in her last year lost in the second round; their worse finish since 2002. Now none of this 100% means that one will for better than the other in their new positions. But it sure as heck is a reason why one is being hailed as an amazing hire, and the other is being called a disappointing hire. How many of those seasons was Salima the head coach? Again, the point isn’t that Salima is better than Katie, It’s that she hasn’t had the shine wiped off. She’s also far more accomplished as an assistant coach than Katie is as any type of coach on paper. Even comparing them on paper, at the same institution as recruiting coordinator one was clearly more successful than the other. Salima could have gotten just about any job the last decade she wanted based on her reputation and resume. Like it or not, she has earned it. Now it’s time for her to prove what she can do as a head coach. Katie gets a great opportunity as well, I hope she knocks it out of the park. |
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Post by knapplc on Jan 11, 2022 22:55:28 GMT -5
How many of those seasons was Salima the head coach? Again, the point isn’t that Salima is better than Katie, It’s that she hasn’t had the shine wiped off. She’s also far more accomplished as an assistant coach than Katie is as any type of coach on paper. Even comparing them on paper, at the same institution as recruiting coordinator one was clearly more successful than the other. Salima could have gotten just about any job the last decade she wanted based on her reputation and resume. Like it or not, she has earned it. Now it’s time for her to prove what she can do as a head coach. Katie gets a great opportunity as well, I hope she knocks it out of the park. But it's borrowed shine. It's not hers. Again, I'm not saying she'll do well or bad. I'm just saying pumping the brakes on the hysteria is warranted. Let her be what she's going to be, without expectations. Be happy with whatever she makes of the job. Because the crash of unrealized expectations is going to be worse than the struggles of a first-time head coach. |
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Post by nellynel on Jan 11, 2022 23:37:06 GMT -5
Is there hysteria about Notre Dame volleyball? I think she’s a great hire for ND, hope she’s successful but she may not be. Even if she doesn’t have HC credentials she has tons of coaching credentials, I actually think ND punched about their weight class on this one. Now momentum is critical and the AD seemed they wanted to make a splash hire and get some momentum going in the program.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Jan 12, 2022 0:41:03 GMT -5
Again, the point isn’t that Salima is better than Katie, It’s that she hasn’t had the shine wiped off. She’s also far more accomplished as an assistant coach than Katie is as any type of coach on paper. Even comparing them on paper, at the same institution as recruiting coordinator one was clearly more successful than the other. Salima could have gotten just about any job the last decade she wanted based on her reputation and resume. Like it or not, she has earned it. Now it’s time for her to prove what she can do as a head coach. Katie gets a great opportunity as well, I hope she knocks it out of the park. But it's borrowed shine. It's not hers. Again, I'm not saying she'll do well or bad. I'm just saying pumping the brakes on the hysteria is warranted. Let her be what she's going to be, without expectations. Be happy with whatever she makes of the job. Because the crash of unrealized expectations is going to be worse than the struggles of a first-time head coach. [br While any assistants shine is in your words “borrowed” from the program they were in a support role for, Lima is legit, and her abilities, charisma and in particular the respect of the vb world is real and earned. |
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Post by dodger on Jan 12, 2022 0:56:25 GMT -5
I've asked these questions, too. It's interesting contrasting the reaction to Salima's hire with Katie Schumacher-Cawley's hire. I think the difference is that Salima has nothing but success. Consider: 2001 Pitt - 11-16 / 7-5 2002 Pitt - 20-9 / 9-4 2003 Pitt - 26-6 / 11-1 (NCAA 2nd round loss to PSU) 2005 Oregon St - 11-13 (the next year they went 3-24) 2006 PSU 28-3 ELITE 8 2007 PSU 34-2 Champion 2008 PSU 38-0 Champion 2009 Texas Runner Up 2010 Texas 28-6 Sweet 16 2011 Texas 28-6 Elite 8 2012 Texas 29-4 Champion 2013 Texas 27-3 Final 4 2015 PSU 28-6 Sweet 16 2016 PSU 24-10 Sweet 16 2017 PSU 33-2 Final 4 Note: she always leaves better than she found it, she almost always leaves better than the year before. She was the recruiting coordinator everywhere except maybe OSU, not sure. She has one sub .500 year, and looking back at the team, they were pretty bad before, and awful the next year. She was also successful in sales. My point being that everything she has done to date has been HIGHLY successful minus one very mediocre year at OSU. Now I don’t know Katie at all minus her resume, but the same simply can’t be said. She had two winning seasons out of 8 at UIC and only one winning record in conference. She finished between 5-7th place every year except one. At Penn she finished 12-11 and 5th in the conference. At PSU as an assistant they consistently got to the Elite 8 but in her last year lost in the second round; their worse finish since 2002. Now none of this 100% means that one will for better than the other in their new positions. But it sure as heck is a reason why one is being hailed as an amazing hire, and the other is being called a disappointing hire. This is an irrelevant comparison: assistant's don't have a large up or down record except in the recruiting area: and that wouldnt effect things for s few years!! |
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Post by dodger on Jan 12, 2022 1:00:47 GMT -5
But it's borrowed shine. It's not hers. Again, I'm not saying she'll do well or bad. I'm just saying pumping the brakes on the hysteria is warranted. Let her be what she's going to be, without expectations. Be happy with whatever she makes of the job. Because the crash of unrealized expectations is going to be worse than the struggles of a first-time head coach. [br While any assistants shine is in your words “borrowed” from the program they were in a support role for, Lima is legit, and her abilities, charisma and in particular the respect of the vb world is real and earned. None of your final sentence: charisma, respect VB world will have zero impact on record over time: if she lasts 6 years i will be happily surprised! And i dont mean fired i mean walks away! 🙏🏻🙏🏻 See if she really wants this as career!? |
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Post by notpriddy (COIF) on Jan 12, 2022 8:14:31 GMT -5
To Salima's credit, there is no denying that she has been an outstanding assistant coach over the years. I recall reading articles where the Penn State players would say that Salima was their "volleyball mother". In that role, she was a perfect sidekick for Russ Rose and Jerritt Elliott. It has been said before that coaching women on a volleyball team is very different from coaching men. Coaching strategies and techniques can be very similar, but the emotional component is very different. I believe many female athletes want a coach that cares about them as human beings and values them for more than just what they can do on a volleyball court.
As a fanatic Illinois volleyball fan, I disagreed with some of the coaching decisions Kevin Hambly made when he was coaching at Illinois. However, I will always respect him for how much he seemed to personally care about his players. I believe that he sometimes made volleyball decisions based more on his concern for the effect his decision would have on a particular player and perhaps to the detriment of the ultimate outcome of a match. I want to print a quote from former Illinois (and Florida transfer) player Colleen Ward when she was interviewed not long ago when Illinois was celebrating their runner-up finish in the NCAA Volleyball Championships of 2011-2012: "On coach Kevin Hambly: “He was perfect for our team, such a personable coach. Once every other week each player would have a meeting with him on their own. He’d ask how our classes were going, how our life was going, or if there was anything we wanted to talk about. We felt like more of a family than just a team. All of our coaches and staff were a really unique group of people.”
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Post by Hisbots on Jan 12, 2022 8:29:12 GMT -5
When did this thread turn into “which one of you can best imitate completely blowing an interview as Salima Rockwell’s career counselor?”
(And why did it turn into this?)
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Post by knapplc on Jan 12, 2022 9:02:25 GMT -5
When did this thread turn into “which one of you can best imitate completely blowing an interview as Salima Rockwell’s career counselor?” (And why did it turn into this?) I and a couple of others contrasted the near universal endorsement Salima is receiving compared to KSC. We don't have much to base our pro/con opinions on, so as often happens people are looking around for a reason to support their pro/con stance. This could continue all offseason, meaning we'll be down to how they install their toilet paper rolls and which sign they were born under by the time the season rolls around. |
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Post by odinaka on Jan 12, 2022 9:47:12 GMT -5
Again, the point isn’t that Salima is better than Katie, It’s that she hasn’t had the shine wiped off. She’s also far more accomplished as an assistant coach than Katie is as any type of coach on paper. Even comparing them on paper, at the same institution as recruiting coordinator one was clearly more successful than the other. Salima could have gotten just about any job the last decade she wanted based on her reputation and resume. Like it or not, she has earned it. Now it’s time for her to prove what she can do as a head coach. Katie gets a great opportunity as well, I hope she knocks it out of the park. But it's borrowed shine. It's not hers. Again, I'm not saying she'll do well or bad. I'm just saying pumping the brakes on the hysteria is warranted. Let her be what she's going to be, without expectations. Be happy with whatever she makes of the job. Because the crash of unrealized expectations is going to be worse than the struggles of a first-time head coach. Just want to say many assistants actually create and run practices for their programs, not the HC. So to claim they have no impact on the success of their teams is an outright falsehood. |
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Post by knapplc on Jan 12, 2022 9:59:02 GMT -5
So to claim they have no impact on the success of their teams is an outright falsehood. She wasn't the head coach. She's the head coach now. Her record stands at 0-0. Citing Russ Rose's wins for evidence that she'll be any kind of coach is a miss. It's OK to wish her good luck and let her be what she's going to be. |
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Post by vbcoltrane on Jan 12, 2022 10:46:03 GMT -5
There's no "hysteria." People think it's a good hire and have high expectations for Salima.
All these warnings about not getting too excited, not expecting too much, are just so condescending. Like we must be reminded, so we're not disappointed. I think even the posters who are very excited and think she'll do great are well aware that people don't always succeed in their endeavors and realize there's a chance that Salima Rockwell's stint at Notre Dame might fall short of what they expect. Yet, they have positive vibes about a better outcome. Geesh.
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