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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 8:41:15 GMT -5
I am not surprised by the negativity in some of the posts in this thread, but I am somewhat bemused by some of the nonsensical assertions, like this one:
OK, if it were such a struggle to get students in general to go there, why would alums -- who presumably know what it's like to go to Penn State -- want their children to go there too? It seems they liked what they experienced, so at least from a "quality of product" perspective, it doesn't seem to be a struggle at all. As to expense, Penn State is expensive, but so is higher-education in general, and Penn State's funding from the PA legislature has decreased to well below 10% of its total budget, so that generally speaking, Penn State doesn't view itself as a "public university" anymore. (In addition, the "sticker price" of college tuition is about as meaningful as the "sticker price" of automobiles). But for the sake of discussion, I'll agree that Penn State is expensive -- particularly for out-of-state students.
What that tells me, however, is that they are getting enough students to pay that price to support that price level. Now, Covid has changed alot of things, including the ability of foreign students to come to the U.S. So to the degree that foreign students have been filling slots, and paying full-price or near full-price, Penn State -- like every other U.S. college/university with significant foreign student enrollment -- will have to adjust.
But bottom line, I don't think your premise -- that it has been a struggle to get students in general to go to Penn State -- holds up to scrutiny. As to whether the second part of your premise -- that it's hard to get athletes to go there -- is valid, I don't think so. Penn State has enjoyed exceptional success over the years with its athletic program.
The world of collegiate athletics has changed alot in recent years, and will change even more moving forward (see NILs, and then see NILs again). But that's going to be true for every institution. Time will tell.
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Post by hochee on Jan 12, 2022 9:41:33 GMT -5
PSU volleyball is irrelevant til proven otherwise. I'm just going to wildly speculate that there about 318 D1 VB programs that would like to be as irrelevant as Penn State. ya I’m not super proud of ALL my posts. :-) What I can say is they haven’t felt relevant to the national title discussion for a few years.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Jan 12, 2022 10:01:31 GMT -5
I am not surprised by the negativity in some of the posts in this thread, but I am somewhat bemused by some of the nonsensical assertions, like this one: OK, if it were such a struggle to get students in general to go there, why would alums -- who presumably know what it's like to go to Penn State -- want their children to go there too? It seems they liked what they experienced, so at least from a "quality of product" perspective, it doesn't seem to be a struggle at all. As to expense, Penn State is expensive, but so is higher-education in general, and Penn State's funding from the PA legislature has decreased to well below 10% of its total budget, so that generally speaking, Penn State doesn't view itself as a "public university" anymore. (In addition, the "sticker price" of college tuition is about as meaningful as the "sticker price" of automobiles). But for the sake of discussion, I'll agree that Penn State is expensive -- particularly for out-of-state students. What that tells me, however, is that they are getting enough students to pay that price to support that price level. Now, Covid has changed alot of things, including the ability of foreign students to come to the U.S. So to the degree that foreign students have been filling slots, and paying full-price or near full-price, Penn State -- like every other U.S. college/university with significant foreign student enrollment -- will have to adjust. But bottom line, I don't think your premise -- that it has been a struggle to get students in general to go to Penn State -- holds up to scrutiny. As to whether the second part of your premise -- that it's hard to get athletes to go there -- is valid, I don't think so. Penn State has enjoyed exceptional success over the years with its athletic program. The world of collegiate athletics has changed alot in recent years, and will change even more moving forward (see NILs, and then see NILs again). But that's going to be true for every institution. Time will tell. We'll never know the Rose-PSU balance and interaction in attracting and keeping players until Schumacher really gets into her career there and/or the next coach has substantive time there. They haven't had a different coach in 43 years. I'm on the positive side. I think, given the PSU VB brand, legacy, and conference, that they have a great chance to continue to be a top tier program. But, there's no guarantee. Like I said in a different post, there's no VB life force that will keep PSU afloat at an elite level just because it's PSU. It will be fun and interesting to see how it all shakes out.
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Post by Wiswell on Jan 12, 2022 11:32:43 GMT -5
I don't understand the negativity about State College. Everyone has different expectations about what they want in their college community. Either they want State College or they don't. There are plenty of State Colleges .. Bloomington, Champaign, Iowa City, Lincoln, West Lafayette, etc. There also plenty of Minneapolis and Pitt and other urban schools.
It does surprise me when I see a player come to a school you wouldn't expect, like a beach kid coming to Nebraska or Wisconsin. But something attracted them to it. About the only place in the Big Ten I can't imagine being attractive to a recruit because of its setting is New Brunswick. But even there it's close to NYC.
I've been to 11 Big Ten campuses and they all have redeeming, albeit different values.
Also, PSU is not a public school in the traditional sense. Much like Temple and Pitt. Limited state support but more flexible governance. PSU is not the state system. That is the SSHE program, which includes Clarion and Slippery Rock and similar, practically open admission schools.
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Post by vb on Jan 12, 2022 13:48:18 GMT -5
I’m wondering if there’s been any thought to hiring an assistant coach that is excellent at recruiting. It seems that this is a must for the Penn State program.
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Post by volleyaudience on Jan 12, 2022 15:03:16 GMT -5
I’m wondering if there’s been any thought to hiring an assistant coach that is excellent at recruiting. It seems that this is a must for the Penn State program. I'm wondering on D1 top 25 teams, which assistants do people think are the great recruiters of really top flight talent?
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Post by basil on Jan 12, 2022 15:07:08 GMT -5
I’m wondering if there’s been any thought to hiring an assistant coach that is excellent at recruiting. It seems that this is a must for the Penn State program. I'm wondering on D1 top 25 teams, which assistants do people think are the great recruiters of really top flight talent? Jaylen Reyes lol
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Post by volleyaudience on Jan 12, 2022 15:13:03 GMT -5
I'm wondering on D1 top 25 teams, which assistants do people think are the great recruiters of really top flight talent? Jaylen Reyes lol Him I know. Unfortunately, he's the only one on my list. 🤔
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Post by SayonaraTachikara on Jan 12, 2022 15:39:00 GMT -5
Him I know. Unfortunately, he's the only one on my list. 🤔 This 100%
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Post by jagdpanther on Jan 12, 2022 21:10:29 GMT -5
I am not surprised by the negativity in some of the posts in this thread, but I am somewhat bemused by some of the nonsensical assertions, like this one: OK, if it were such a struggle to get students in general to go there, why would alums -- who presumably know what it's like to go to Penn State -- want their children to go there too? It seems they liked what they experienced, so at least from a "quality of product" perspective, it doesn't seem to be a struggle at all. As to expense, Penn State is expensive, but so is higher-education in general, and Penn State's funding from the PA legislature has decreased to well below 10% of its total budget, so that generally speaking, Penn State doesn't view itself as a "public university" anymore. (In addition, the "sticker price" of college tuition is about as meaningful as the "sticker price" of automobiles). But for the sake of discussion, I'll agree that Penn State is expensive -- particularly for out-of-state students. What that tells me, however, is that they are getting enough students to pay that price to support that price level. Now, Covid has changed alot of things, including the ability of foreign students to come to the U.S. So to the degree that foreign students have been filling slots, and paying full-price or near full-price, Penn State -- like every other U.S. college/university with significant foreign student enrollment -- will have to adjust. But bottom line, I don't think your premise -- that it has been a struggle to get students in general to go to Penn State -- holds up to scrutiny. As to whether the second part of your premise -- that it's hard to get athletes to go there -- is valid, I don't think so. Penn State has enjoyed exceptional success over the years with its athletic program. The world of collegiate athletics has changed alot in recent years, and will change even more moving forward (see NILs, and then see NILs again). But that's going to be true for every institution. Time will tell. Penn State alums do often want to send their kids to Penn State. It's amongst the better reasons why our alumni base is so big. But, it is unquestionable that Penn State is extremely expensive, whether you're in state or out of state. There are tremendously less expensive options around that are pretty decent or even better depending on how far one wants to travel. Depending on where alums live outside of Pennsylvania, it may just not be financially viable to send their kids there particularly if they're in states with extremely low-cost (relatively speaking) excellent public universities (see North Carolina and Florida as examples). But, we're talking about athletics here, and the bottom line is that it's damn hard to convince big-time athletes to come to Penn State. We are a school that out punches our weight often, but not always. And right now it's not a good time for volleyball in that respect. I don't understand the negativity about State College. Everyone has different expectations about what they want in their college community. Either they want State College or they don't. There are plenty of State Colleges .. Bloomington, Champaign, Iowa City, Lincoln, West Lafayette, etc. There also plenty of Minneapolis and Pitt and other urban schools. It does surprise me when I see a player come to a school you wouldn't expect, like a beach kid coming to Nebraska or Wisconsin. But something attracted them to it. About the only place in the Big Ten I can't imagine being attractive to a recruit because of its setting is New Brunswick. But even there it's close to NYC. I've been to 11 Big Ten campuses and they all have redeeming, albeit different values. Also, PSU is not a public school in the traditional sense. Much like Temple and Pitt. Limited state support but more flexible governance. PSU is not the state system. That is the SSHE program, which includes Clarion and Slippery Rock and similar, practically open admission schools. We're what's called a "state-affiliate" in Pennsylvania. We are, in fact, a public school. But we're one of two types of public schools. There are the traditional "state" schools supported heavily by the Commonwealth, and then there are the 3 state-affiliated schools, which are us, Pitt, and Temple. We receive some state funding (fairly limited in the grand scheme of things) and were granted our land by the Commonwealth. Penn State, Pitt, and Temple are all amongst the most expensive state schools in the entire country because of how they are hamstrung by having to follow the same rules and laws as state schools but receiving much, much less public funding than the state schools do as a percentage of overall budget.
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Post by Wiswell on Jan 12, 2022 21:46:34 GMT -5
The state schools get next to nothing as well. Maybe 17 percent of funding.
The governance between the Commonwealth schools and the SSHE schools are different. The SSHE schools are a weak state system. The Commonwealth Schools, with the exception of one not previously named, are far superior academically.
I believe Michigan is also a very pricey public university.
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Post by akbar on Jan 13, 2022 6:10:41 GMT -5
But, we're talking about athletics here, and the bottom line is that it's damn hard to convince big-time athletes to come to Penn State. We are a school that out punches our weight often, but not always. Jag....enough dude. What a crock. What world do you live in? I mean really? This is so wrong and we have evidence in almost every sport at Penn State to the contrary....since forever. In the NFL Penn State came in at 11th with 31 active players but if you were to narrow that down to starters or part time starters, bet a dollar PSU moves into the top 5. The level of athlete that the University has has and is attending PSU in Football, women's basketball, Men's wrestling, Women's Field Hockey Mens and Women's (Volleyball,lacrosse,soccer,gymnastics, fencing and Track and Field) has and continues to churn out All Americans, National Champions, Pros and Olympic athletes. Penn State Athletics was more than well represented on the podium in the past 2 Olympic summer Olympics. Penn State Athletics is and remains one of the top notch destinations for College Athletics. Little ole State College does just fine slick. Smh
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Post by volleyfan4321 on Jan 13, 2022 7:57:21 GMT -5
Penn State has been a great university across all sports for decades. Katie will do well as the new volleyball coach. Top athletes from around the US and the World will have an interest in playing for a perennial Big 10 powerhouse like PSU. All the best to Penn State and Katie moving forward. It will be great to watch the games in the Fall to see how things are going.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 7:57:27 GMT -5
But, we're talking about athletics here, and the bottom line is that it's damn hard to convince big-time athletes to come to Penn State. We are a school that out punches our weight often, but not always. Jag....enough dude. What a crock. What world do you live in? I mean really? Jag obviously lives in Rohan, in Middle Earth (where he apparently has access to the Big Ten Network and ESPN). His real name is Gríma Wormtongue, and he is the chief counsellor at the court of King Théoden of Rohan, but is an agent and mole of the corrupted Wizard Saruman. A little known fact is that the real name of the Wizard Saruman is "John Cook." Source: lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Gr%C3%ADma_Wormtongue. For more information, see en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings_(film_series). (Note: I initially had misinformation, and thought Jag's real name was Grey Worm, but that's a completely different character, from a completely different fantasy series, Game of Thrones. Apparently, when you get bombarded by someone's fantasy, like Jag's, it's difficult to keep things straight. Fortunately, I got the correct info eventually).
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 13, 2022 8:13:31 GMT -5
The only thing I know about Penn State besides their volleyball and the whole mess they had with their football program is that a bunch of people I work with studied there. They have one of the top (or maybe the very top) acoustical engineering programs in the country, and I work in the Noise, Vibration, and Emissions group at my company.
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