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Post by vbct3 on Feb 1, 2022 13:17:26 GMT -5
I'm just trying to figure out what club is physically located in Dallas. Is this really a puzzle I want to solve? It's not hard to go to AES and see what North Texas teams are registered for NEQ, but do I really care? Or should I go taste some samples at Costco? Costco free samples, followed up by a drink and hotdog to go. Maybe a rotisserie chicken.
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Post by sonofdogman on Feb 1, 2022 13:17:39 GMT -5
I'm going to stop reading posts from unvaxxed posters. There just isn't enough entertainment value in them.
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Post by hornshouse23 on Feb 1, 2022 13:21:34 GMT -5
Yeah, no it’s just disturbing at this point.
I’d love to hear if in fact anything of this is actually happening, what the players of these rogue parents think of their season being upended. Even if they aren’t the best on their respective teams, they’ve got to have feelings about how much any of this is worth it. Without cowtowing to the talking points about the vaccine I’m sure they have to sit through at home. Just curious.
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Post by stevehorn on Feb 1, 2022 13:22:18 GMT -5
I'm just trying to figure out what club is physically located in Dallas. Is this really a puzzle I want to solve? It's not hard to go to AES and see what North Texas teams are registered for NEQ, but do I really care? Or should I go taste some samples at Costco? Unless one has started in Dallas in the last four years (since my granddaughter finished playing), there isn't one in Dallas or at least one that plays in qualifiers.
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Post by winesalot on Feb 1, 2022 13:30:54 GMT -5
I'm just trying to figure out what club is physically located in Dallas. Is this really a puzzle I want to solve? It's not hard to go to AES and see what North Texas teams are registered for NEQ, but do I really care? Or should I go taste some samples at Costco? Costco free samples, followed up by a drink and hotdog to go. Maybe a rotisserie chicken. Their rotisserie chickens are good. And just like that it's a winner, winner for dinner tonight.
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Post by winesalot on Feb 1, 2022 13:34:52 GMT -5
I'm just trying to figure out what club is physically located in Dallas. Is this really a puzzle I want to solve? It's not hard to go to AES and see what North Texas teams are registered for NEQ, but do I really care? Or should I go taste some samples at Costco? Unless one has started in Dallas in the last four years (since my granddaughter finished playing), there isn't one in Dallas or at least one that plays in qualifiers. That's what I thought. I guess if you are coming from up north, you may consider Carrolton or Grand Prairie "Dallas". Nope, nevermind. Not going down thir rabbit hole.
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Post by mervynpumpkinhead on Feb 1, 2022 13:52:18 GMT -5
It is "jumping" from vaccinated to vaccinated people, but at much, much lower rates than unvaccinated. This again is just another educated guess that medical professionals made at one point and politicians stick with it because it fits the narrative. It is pretty clear the last variant gave zero f's about where it went, our neighbors college age kids both came home with it and the quarantined as a family while the unvaccinated parents remained completely healthy and fine for the whole two weeks the kids quarantined in the house walking around as normal. We even helped them abide by the rules by picking up groceries for them so they could respect others concerns if they went out. Yes, "educated" guess. As in backed by data. That's science. If you don't like science, well...
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Post by vbct3 on Feb 1, 2022 13:53:04 GMT -5
Costco free samples, followed up by a drink and hotdog to go. Maybe a rotisserie chicken. Their rotisserie chickens are good. And just like that it's a winner, winner for dinner tonight. Just make sure you use everything. Use the bones and leftovers to make a good broth.
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Post by bigjohn043 on Feb 1, 2022 14:33:55 GMT -5
This again is just another educated guess that medical professionals made at one point and politicians stick with it because it fits the narrative. It is pretty clear the last variant gave zero f's about where it went, our neighbors college age kids both came home with it and the quarantined as a family while the unvaccinated parents remained completely healthy and fine for the whole two weeks the kids quarantined in the house walking around as normal. We even helped them abide by the rules by picking up groceries for them so they could respect others concerns if they went out. Yes, "educated" guess. As in backed by data. That's science. If you don't like science, well... What data have you seen on the protection of vaccines against the spread of omicron? My sense is there is really no good data on this point but it is pretty clear that the protection is a lot less than Delta for example.
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Post by mervynpumpkinhead on Feb 1, 2022 15:13:56 GMT -5
Yes, "educated" guess. As in backed by data. That's science. If you don't like science, well... What data have you seen on the protection of vaccines against the spread of omicron? My sense is there is really no good data on this point but it is pretty clear that the protection is a lot less than Delta for example. From the CDC: "In 25 U.S. jurisdictions, decreases in case incidence rate ratios for unvaccinated versus fully vaccinated persons with and without booster vaccine doses were observed when the Omicron variant emerged in December 2021."
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Post by bigjohn043 on Feb 1, 2022 15:45:21 GMT -5
What data have you seen on the protection of vaccines against the spread of omicron? My sense is there is really no good data on this point but it is pretty clear that the protection is a lot less than Delta for example. From the CDC: "In 25 U.S. jurisdictions, decreases in case incidence rate ratios for unvaccinated versus fully vaccinated persons with and without booster vaccine doses were observed when the Omicron variant emerged in December 2021." Thanks for the cite. Here is the paper: www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm#:~:text=In%2025%20U.S.%20jurisdictions%2C%20decreases,variant%20emerged%20in%20December%202021. I think the weakness is this analysis is that December was still half Delta according to the CDC: covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variant-proportionsSo if you look at the paper you cited, when delta was the primary variant, the unvaccinated where 5x more likely to get a case. During the mixed period of December, that same number was 3x. Given that december was half delta, the numbers would suggest that with omnicron only the vaccines have no protection. Two points: 1) vaccines still provide big protection against severe disease and so are a very very good thing for the vulnerable. 2) The numbers above are early and a bit of a guess. It is still possible that there is some protection once we get the final numbers. I would say that it isn't clear from the raw numbers though.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Feb 1, 2022 15:51:15 GMT -5
What data have you seen on the protection of vaccines against the spread of omicron? My sense is there is really no good data on this point but it is pretty clear that the protection is a lot less than Delta for example. From the CDC: "In 25 U.S. jurisdictions, decreases in case incidence rate ratios for unvaccinated versus fully vaccinated persons with and without booster vaccine doses were observed when the Omicron variant emerged in December 2021." The CDC regularly changes the way it wants us to handle covid and what they deem "safe" sometimes contradicting itself within days of each other. I think it is irresponsible at best considering the delta variant was still around in December and most omicron cases arrived after the holidays. Citing a sample size to fit a vax heavy narrative is just another example of irresponsible reporting that empowers politicians to run with data as fact to make lifestyle restrictions. Sure, over years we might find this to be true as the vax improves, but citing data they cherry picked from jurisdictions that support their narrative is something I would take with a grain of salt.
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Post by Maui’s Hook on Feb 1, 2022 16:26:21 GMT -5
From the CDC: "In 25 U.S. jurisdictions, decreases in case incidence rate ratios for unvaccinated versus fully vaccinated persons with and without booster vaccine doses were observed when the Omicron variant emerged in December 2021." The CDC regularly changes the way it wants us to handle covid and what they deem "safe" sometimes contradicting itself within days of each other. I think it is irresponsible at best considering the delta variant was still around in December and most omicron cases arrived after the holidays. Citing a sample size to fit a vax heavy narrative is just another example of irresponsible reporting that empowers politicians to run with data as fact to make lifestyle restrictions. Sure, over years we might find this to be true as the vax improves, but citing data they cherry picked from jurisdictions that support their narrative is something I would take with a grain of salt. This is one reason I struggle to side with anyone that claims anything as ‘science’. I include koolaid drinking GMSʻers as a group that abuses the 'science' in their own world. The only aspect of science anyone can trust are the laws. Everything else is a theory. Unfortunately with any polarizing topics, the loudest tend to be the furthest from the majority, and data is manipulated to fit their narratives. Usually just the use of data as confirmation bias rather than a conscious manipulation. At what point does anecdotal evidence overturn a study? Asking because I hadn’t heard of any deaths or serious effects from the AVCA super spreader 6 weeks ago, just a bunch of 2-3 day colds.
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Post by mervynpumpkinhead on Feb 1, 2022 17:03:28 GMT -5
The CDC regularly changes the way it wants us to handle covid and what they deem "safe" sometimes contradicting itself within days of each other. I think it is irresponsible at best considering the delta variant was still around in December and most omicron cases arrived after the holidays. Citing a sample size to fit a vax heavy narrative is just another example of irresponsible reporting that empowers politicians to run with data as fact to make lifestyle restrictions. Sure, over years we might find this to be true as the vax improves, but citing data they cherry picked from jurisdictions that support their narrative is something I would take with a grain of salt. This is one reason I struggle to side with anyone that claims anything as ‘science’. I include koolaid drinking GMSʻers as a group that abuses the 'science' in their own world. The only aspect of science anyone can trust are the laws. Everything else is a theory. Unfortunately with any polarizing topics, the loudest tend to be the furthest from the majority, and data is manipulated to fit their narratives. Usually just the use of data as confirmation bias rather than a conscious manipulation. At what point does anecdotal evidence overturn a study? Asking because I hadn’t heard of any deaths or serious effects from the AVCA super spreader 6 weeks ago, just a bunch of 2-3 day colds. And how many of those were vaccinated and / or boosted? Do what you want. I'm happy to be vaccinated and boosted.
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Post by Maui’s Hook on Feb 1, 2022 17:31:49 GMT -5
This is one reason I struggle to side with anyone that claims anything as ‘science’. I include koolaid drinking GMSʻers as a group that abuses the 'science' in their own world. The only aspect of science anyone can trust are the laws. Everything else is a theory. Unfortunately with any polarizing topics, the loudest tend to be the furthest from the majority, and data is manipulated to fit their narratives. Usually just the use of data as confirmation bias rather than a conscious manipulation. At what point does anecdotal evidence overturn a study? Asking because I hadn’t heard of any deaths or serious effects from the AVCA super spreader 6 weeks ago, just a bunch of 2-3 day colds. And how many of those were vaccinated and / or boosted? Do what you want. I'm happy to be vaccinated and boosted. Exactly
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