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Post by longboards on Feb 19, 2022 8:43:29 GMT -5
Long time reader, first time poster. Thanks for all the entertainment over the years. I'm still confused if Luther/Holiday is actually Canam or not. Anyways....
Why is it so hard to agree that that peaceful and lawful protests should be encouraged and celebrated in this country while any people involved in unlawful actions like blocking major roads, rioting, vandalism should be legally detained and prosecuted - regardless if it's during or after a BLM protest, Trump Rally, or the Canadian Truckers against Vaccines (can't wait for a south park episode on this!).
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Post by HOLIDAY on Feb 19, 2022 9:01:20 GMT -5
Long time reader, first time poster. Thanks for all the entertainment over the years. I'm still confused if Luther/Holiday is actually Canam or not. Anyways.... Why is it so hard to agree that that peaceful and lawful protests should be encouraged and celebrated in this country while any people involved in unlawful actions like blocking major roads, rioting, vandalism should be legally detained and prosecuted - regardless if it's during or after a BLM protest, Trump Rally, or the Canadian Truckers against Vaccines (can't wait for a south park episode on this!). Welcome, it’s always fun to have another opinion. Canam is much more subtle and humorous than I am. |
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Post by longboards on Feb 19, 2022 9:08:02 GMT -5
Thanks... but do you agree that peaceful and lawful protests should be encouraged and celebrated in this country while any people involved in unlawful actions like blocking major roads, rioting, vandalism should be legally detained and prosecuted - regardless if it's during or after a BLM protest, Trump Rally, or the Canadian Truckers against Vaccines?
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Post by HOLIDAY on Feb 19, 2022 9:13:36 GMT -5
Thanks... but do you agree that peaceful and lawful protests should be encouraged and celebrated in this country while any people involved in unlawful actions like blocking major roads, rioting, vandalism should be legally detained and prosecuted - regardless if it's during or after a BLM protest, Trump Rally, or the Canadian Truckers against Vaccines? so......truckers peacefully protesting versus rioters that burned businesses down and destroyed police cars paid for by taxpayers are the same  . While both are against the law surely you see a difference in that behavior. And which group was arrested and which one was not? How many rioters were actually arrested? |
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Post by longboards on Feb 19, 2022 9:17:38 GMT -5
The severity of the crime would dictate the punishment. Arrest those that break the law, punish accordingly. The consequence for stopping traffic to protest on an LA highway or in Ottawa would be the better comparison. Rioters and violent criminals should of course receive harsher punishments then a case of self-perceived peaceful 'civil disobedience'.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Feb 19, 2022 9:20:51 GMT -5
The severity of the crime would dictate the punishment. Arrest those that break the law, punish accordingly. The consequence for stopping traffic to protest on an LA highway or in Ottawa would be the better comparison. Rioters and violent criminals should of course receive harsher punishments then a case of self-perceived peaceful 'civil disobedience'. we agree.....But that is not what happened and that is the point. Rioters were given a totally different consequence which was basically no consequence. |
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Post by longboards on Feb 19, 2022 9:33:44 GMT -5
Interesting, I have seen the sentencing between post-GF riots and Jan 6 rioters be fairly equal... I think you're seeing more arrests from Jan. 6 because it was directed at disrupting the literal peaceful transfer of power in this country (kind of a big deal and unique). It also didn't help that the Jan. 6 rioters were filming and promoting their roles... if the post-GF rioters did that it would be MUCH easier to find them.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Feb 19, 2022 9:55:19 GMT -5
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Post by HOLIDAY on Feb 19, 2022 9:57:08 GMT -5
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Post by HOLIDAY on Feb 19, 2022 10:01:29 GMT -5
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Post by longboards on Feb 19, 2022 10:16:54 GMT -5
From your article: "The Post’s analysis found the overwhelming majority arrested in those 15 cities — 2,059 of the 2,652 — were accused of nonviolent misdemeanors, most on charges of violating curfew or emergency orders. Almost 22 percent — 582 — were charged with crimes related to violence or the threat of violence to people, businesses or property. These included misdemeanor or felony charges related to rioting, burglary, looting, attempted murder, assault on police, weapons and arson." So 77% that were arrested were accused of non-violent misdemeanors. All the violent criminals were charged from misdemeanors to attempted murder. |
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Post by longboards on Feb 19, 2022 10:21:23 GMT -5
so is your point to NOT prosecute the Jan. 6 rioters or is it that we should be tougher on the post GF rioters?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2022 10:25:00 GMT -5
I am strongly of the opinion that the right to protest and be civilly disobedient should not legally be allowed to impact innocent people who had nothing to do with either side.
Thus, you should be allowed to line the sides of a road for unlimited miles, with huge signs making your point/argument. But you should not be allowed to block a road.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Feb 19, 2022 10:35:03 GMT -5
I am strongly of the opinion that the right to protest and be civilly disobedient should not legally be allowed to impact innocent people who had nothing to do with either side. Thus, you should be allowed to line the sides of a road for unlimited miles, with huge signs making your point/argument. But you should not be allowed to block a road. Nor should they be able to stop the traffic in the city streets but I noticed you didn’t mention that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2022 10:40:42 GMT -5
I am strongly of the opinion that the right to protest and be civilly disobedient should not legally be allowed to impact innocent people who had nothing to do with either side. Thus, you should be allowed to line the sides of a road for unlimited miles, with huge signs making your point/argument. But you should not be allowed to block a road. Nor should they be able to stop the traffic in the city streets but I noticed you didn’t mention that. I don't follow you. Isn't that covered under not be allowed to block a road? I meant for that to apply, there. |
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. While both are against the law surely you see a difference in that behavior.