Italy - Serie A1 2022-2023

[jiggs]

Feb 6, 2023 17:48:40 GMT -5 ToddyJ said:

Can I just say that I LOATHE that this league values (match points) won over a team's win/loss record when determining the league standings. Ugh. Anyways.

The race for the play offs is going to be spicy!

Let us assume that Conegliano(46) will likely be the top seed.
Scandicci(42), Milano(39) and Novara(38) are going to qualify, barring a complete meltdown.

Perugia(9), Pinerolo(7) and Macerata(7) are battling it out to avoid relegation and probably cannot make the playoffs.

In my opinion, the following teams are still in the running for the last four playoff slots:

Chieri(36), Casalmaggiore(28), Bergamo(25), Busto A.(22), Firenze(21), Vallefoglia(20) and Cuneo(17)

However, when we look at each of these teams remaining opponents, with only 9 matches left in the regular season, some teams have drastically tougher journeys to tread on their paths to the playoffs.

Chieri: Firenze, Novara, Busto, Scandicci, Milano, Vallefoglia, Bergamo, Perugia and Pinerolo
Casal: Perugia, Conegliano, Novara, Macerata, Vallefoglia, Firenze, Busto, Pinerolo and Bergamo
Bergamo: Novara, Busto, Perugia, Vallefoglia, Macerata, Pinerolo, Chieri, Scandicci and Casalmaggiore
Busto: Vallegfoglia, Bergamo, Chieri, Pinerolo, Scandicci, Macerata, Casalmaggiore, Cuneo and Milano
Firenze: Chieri, Cuneo, Vallefoglia, Novara, Perugia, Casalmaggiore, Conegliano, Milano and Scandicci
Vallef: Busto, Milano, Firenze, Bergamo, Casalmaggiore, Chieri, Perugia, Novara and Macerata
Cuneo: Conegliano, Firenze, Macerata, Perugia, Pinerolo, Milano, Scandicci, Busto and Novara

Who has the tougher schedule and which four teams do you predict will make the playoffs? Shall we discuss? I'm headed to dinner but I'll be back later to see what everyone thinks!

Chieri and casa are locks imo. I like bergamo and I think they make it through as well. Busto can be good sometimes so I’m willing to take them because I also don’t trust herbots or drews

[bzo]

Feb 6, 2023 17:49:31 GMT -5 avid 2.0 said:

Feb 6, 2023 17:48:40 GMT -5 ToddyJ said:

Can I just say that I LOATHE that this league values (match points) won over a team's win/loss record when determining the league standings. Ugh. Anyways.

I dont understand the logic at all.... I think they're the only league that does it too. 

I think most European pro leagues use points as the first ranking criteria, and wins as the second criteria? While the tournaments like CL use wins as the first criteria. But maybe there are some exceptions?

[avid 2.0]

Feb 6, 2023 19:17:51 GMT -5 bzo said:

Feb 6, 2023 17:49:31 GMT -5 avid 2.0 said:

I dont understand the logic at all.... I think they're the only league that does it too. 

I think most European pro leagues use points as the first ranking criteria, and wins as the second criteria? While the tournaments like CL use wins as the first criteria. But maybe there are some exceptions?

Turkey uses wins. (I guess thats only who I was thinking of LOL) 

but actually you're right... France, Poland, and Germany both use points over wins, I didnt know that. 

gross. 

[refugee from volleycountry]

Feb 6, 2023 19:22:50 GMT -5 avid 2.0 said:

Feb 6, 2023 19:17:51 GMT -5 bzo said:

I think most European pro leagues use points as the first ranking criteria, and wins as the second criteria? While the tournaments like CL use wins as the first criteria. But maybe there are some exceptions?

Turkey uses wins. (I guess thats only who I was thinking of LOL) 

but actually you're right... France, Poland, and Germany both use points over wins, I didnt know that. 

gross. 

because Turkey is in Asia.

[bzo]

Feb 6, 2023 19:22:50 GMT -5 avid 2.0 said:

Feb 6, 2023 19:17:51 GMT -5 bzo said:

I think most European pro leagues use points as the first ranking criteria, and wins as the second criteria? While the tournaments like CL use wins as the first criteria. But maybe there are some exceptions?

Turkey uses wins. (I guess thats only who I was thinking of LOL) 

but actually you're right... France, Poland, and Germany both use points over wins, I didnt know that. 

gross. 

I thought Turkey was ranking points as the first criteria too looking at the standings at TVF site (ranking points as the first column in bold). But maybe it's just the default dataproject design which they haven't bothered changing, lol. (I don't really follow the Turkish league).

[avid 2.0]

Feb 6, 2023 19:43:23 GMT -5 bzo said:

Feb 6, 2023 19:22:50 GMT -5 avid 2.0 said:

Turkey uses wins. (I guess thats only who I was thinking of LOL) 

but actually you're right... France, Poland, and Germany both use points over wins, I didnt know that. 

gross. 

I thought Turkey was ranking points as the first criteria too looking at the standings at TVF site (ranking points as the first column in bold). But maybe it's just the default dataproject design which they haven't bothered changing, lol. (I don't really follow the Turkish league).

its just a dataproject thing. 

(Look at Aydin/Kuzeyboru last year) tvf-web.dataproject.com/CompetitionStandings.aspx?ID=62&PID=114

I only know cause I saw turkish novara stans salty on twitter about it lol 

[volleyguy]

Feb 5, 2023 15:59:46 GMT -5 madden55 said:

Feb 5, 2023 15:58:55 GMT -5 akinradeheaux said:

It can still happen, e.g. 2022 Mihajlovic.

I’m glad someone noticed that besides me. Now she didn’t become some dime passer but she randomly became solid enough to pass the eye test and not get absolutely wrecked

I don't think Mihajlovic "randomly" became a decent passer.

[madden55]

Feb 6, 2023 19:54:07 GMT -5 volleyguy said:

Feb 5, 2023 15:59:46 GMT -5 madden55 said:

I’m glad someone noticed that besides me. Now she didn’t become some dime passer but she randomly became solid enough to pass the eye test and not get absolutely wrecked

I don't think Mihajlovic "randomly" became a decent passer.

well I guess something finally clicked for her

[uofaGRAD]

Firenze is not making the playoffs unless Malinov stops having to randomly bump set balls because she’s scared sh¡tless of doubling and they go back to Alhassan in the middle (since they clearly didn’t get a foreign setter or opposite)

[avid 2.0]

Feb 6, 2023 21:01:14 GMT -5 uofaGRAD said:

Firenze is not making the playoffs unless Malinov stops having to randomly bump set balls because she’s scared sh¡tless of doubling and they go back to Alhassan in the middle (since they clearly didn’t get a foreign setter or opposite)

excuse you. that is reigning match MVP Ofelia Malinov to you. 

dont make me send gabricio after you lol 

[akinradeheaux]

Feb 6, 2023 21:03:25 GMT -5 avid 2.0 said:

Feb 6, 2023 21:01:14 GMT -5 uofaGRAD said:

Firenze is not making the playoffs unless Malinov stops having to randomly bump set balls because she’s scared sh¡tless of doubling and they go back to Alhassan in the middle (since they clearly didn’t get a foreign setter or opposite)

excuse you. that is reigning match MVP Ofelia Malinov to you. 

dont make me send gabricio after you lol 

If you say her name three times and spin counterclockwise, she appears behind your reflection.

[mberlanda]

Feb 6, 2023 19:22:50 GMT -5 avid 2.0 said:

Feb 6, 2023 19:17:51 GMT -5 bzo said:

I think most European pro leagues use points as the first ranking criteria, and wins as the second criteria? While the tournaments like CL use wins as the first criteria. But maybe there are some exceptions?

Turkey uses wins. (I guess thats only who I was thinking of LOL) 

but actually you're right... France, Poland, and Germany both use points over wins, I didnt know that. 

gross. 

They use points and not the number of wins to reward those teams make it to the fifth set despite losing 3-2.

This is especially needed by lower ranked teams.

[Norah Sus]

Feb 6, 2023 23:04:41 GMT -5 akinradeheaux said:

Feb 6, 2023 21:03:25 GMT -5 avid 2.0 said:

excuse you. that is reigning match MVP Ofelia Malinov to you. 

dont make me send gabricio after you lol 

If you say her name three times and spin counterclockwise, she appears behind your reflection.

Malinov or gabricio?

[akinradeheaux]

Feb 7, 2023 3:11:39 GMT -5 Norah Sus said:

Feb 6, 2023 23:04:41 GMT -5 akinradeheaux said:

If you say her name three times and spin counterclockwise, she appears behind your reflection.

Malinov or gabricio?

Latter.

[avid 2.0]

Feb 7, 2023 2:48:58 GMT -5 mberlanda said:

Feb 6, 2023 19:22:50 GMT -5 avid 2.0 said:

Turkey uses wins. (I guess thats only who I was thinking of LOL) 

but actually you're right... France, Poland, and Germany both use points over wins, I didnt know that. 

gross. 

They use points and not the number of wins to reward those teams make it to the fifth set despite losing 3-2.

This is especially needed by lower ranked teams.

I get that... but I see wins as more important (maybe its an American-ism.. since we dont use points for anything)