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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Apr 15, 2022 13:47:10 GMT -5
OK, read up on it. He has multiple accusers and as far as I can tell multiple lawsuits against him? But I can’t find any results of those lawsuits? That was in 2018? Again, Why is he not in jail? I am not sure how educated you could have gotten in 17 minutes. Come back monday if you still have questions, you are way too active on this board to not be familiar with all the way to educated yourself when the information is more than available. Not expecting anyone to just jump on a bandwagon, but also not going to give into the possibility of more trolls that have no interest in educating themselves for the purpose of a legitimate conversation rather than to just lock the thread and get it off topic. Tho' I often don't agree with you (how, not what)...good move not taking the bait! Master troll at work; he has 5+ other VT accounts: even if he is not dear deohge.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Apr 15, 2022 13:52:14 GMT -5
I am not sure how educated you could have gotten in 17 minutes. Come back monday if you still have questions, you are way too active on this board to not be familiar with all the way to educated yourself when the information is more than available. Not expecting anyone to just jump on a bandwagon, but also not going to give into the possibility of more trolls that have no interest in educating themselves for the purpose of a legitimate conversation rather than to just lock the thread and get it off topic. Tho' I often don't agree with you (how; not what)...good move not taking the bait! Master troll at work; he has 5 other VT accounts: even if he isn't our dear deohge. Lot's of people don't agree with each other, that's what makes people come back to this place everyday and discuss their opinions, and what hopefully Elon will change with the twitter echo chamber if the board doesn't screw their shareholders out of profits. There is a respectful way to disagree and have an intelligent conversation that does not including maliciously degrading individuals or purposely harassing sexual assault survivors.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Apr 15, 2022 13:54:17 GMT -5
Tho' I often don't agree with you (how; not what)...good move not taking the bait! Master troll at work; he has 5 other VT accounts: even if he isn't our dear deohge. Lot's of people don't agree with each other, that's what makes people come back to this place everyday and discuss their opinions, and what hopefully Elon will change with the twitter echo chamber if the board doesn't screw their shareholders out of profits. There is a respectful way to disagree and have an intelligent conversation that does not including maliciously degrading individuals or purposely harassing sexual assault survivors. It’s too late for that, the board took the poison pill. They are more interested in destroying the company than having Elon be the head of it.
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Post by tomclen on Apr 15, 2022 14:02:32 GMT -5
Very convenient that you saw the post within the hour. Really crazy circumstances deohge ! the period before the words gave it away. No one else’s account does that except you and no one believes you except for your other personalities Again, if you say so. JHFC, Deohge has 66 posts (so far) in this thread?!? A 14 page thread (so far). I hope I counted wrong, because thinking about the type of person who does that makes my head hurt.
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Post by dizzydean on Apr 15, 2022 14:10:27 GMT -5
Lot's of people don't agree with each other, that's what makes people come back to this place everyday and discuss their opinions, and what hopefully Elon will change with the twitter echo chamber if the board doesn't screw their shareholders out of profits. There is a respectful way to disagree and have an intelligent conversation that does not including maliciously degrading individuals or purposely harassing sexual assault survivors. It’s too late for that, the board took the poison pill. They are more interested in destroying the company than having Elon be the head of it. I wouldn't want him in charge of Twitter...
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Post by HOLIDAY on Apr 15, 2022 14:12:48 GMT -5
It’s too late for that, the board took the poison pill. They are more interested in destroying the company than having Elon be the head of it. I wouldn't want him in charge of Twitter... I would but that’s a discussion for “off the net”
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Post by n00b on Apr 15, 2022 14:23:17 GMT -5
Not sure why this would be surprising to them, when the news started to spread late 2015 that things were ramping back up they both were losing followers and facebook friends like the flood walls had opened up. Now that they are retired, they will realize even more people that pretended to be friendly with them were simply just using them for volleyball related purposes. No one wants to be associated with a rapist, especially one that raped underage girls and lied about it for decades and now that they have "retired" there will be little purpose left for them other than to rot and die in the mountains. I am certainly not defending this guy, I don’t even know the mechanics of the case but was he convicted? Were the allegations investigated? Was he found guilty? Was there a settlement? If he assaulted this many women why is he not in jail? Just curious if there’s so much proof why is he running free? The rape victims came forward after the statute of limitations for criminal prosecution. USA Volleyball (not bound by a statute of limitations) kicked him out after considering evidence in like 2007. AAU and JVA were late to the party but also kicked him out in like 2018. While i do believe the accusations are true (I have some people I trust who were ‘in the know’ back in the 80s), I think the current lawsuits are dumb. One was for something like false advertising and not disclosing the allegations to paying customers.
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Post by bigjohn043 on Apr 15, 2022 14:32:38 GMT -5
FWIW, I think Rick Butler is scum. The idea that anyone would come on here and defend him is crazy.
OTOH, Russ Rose married a player in 1986 that he had coached from 82-85. Does anyone really believe that relationship didn't start until she graduated? My sense is that this is a much broader problem than people want to believe.
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Post by boh on Apr 15, 2022 15:28:14 GMT -5
FWIW, I think Rick Butler is scum. The idea that anyone would come on here and defend him is crazy. OTOH, Russ Rose married a player in 1986 that he had coached from 82-85. Does anyone really believe that relationship didn't start until she graduated? My sense is that this is a much broader problem than people want to believe. 100% a broader problem than most understand. Sadly there are many sexual abusers in Illinois volleyball alone
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 15, 2022 17:12:07 GMT -5
I do think there is a pretty substantial difference in maturity (and ability to fully consent to an adult relationship) between, for example, 16 and 21.
Also, a lot of people meet their future partners in the workplace, which makes it hard to draw simple black-and-white lines when it comes to workplace romances. On the other hand, people in management roles getting involved with people who report to them is always an issue of tricky professional ethics as well as obvious potential sexual harassment risk.
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Post by bigjohn043 on Apr 15, 2022 18:02:38 GMT -5
I do think there is a pretty substantial difference in maturity (and ability to fully consent to an adult relationship) between, for example, 16 and 21. Also, a lot of people meet their future partners in the workplace, which makes it hard to draw simple black-and-white lines when it comes to workplace romances. On the other hand, people in management roles getting involved with people who report to them is always an issue of tricky professional ethics as well as obvious potential sexual harassment risk. It is hard to describe how much I disagree with this post while remaining civil. Sure 16 is different from 18 or 21, but they are all sick. They are using a position of power to seduce a young woman still trying to figure out who she is. And getting married and having a family does not somehow make it OK. I would argue that a coach has a much greater power dynamic over a player than a typical boss / employee relationship. And these are very young women. This is just totally different than a typical workplace romance among colleagues. This whole thing is just sick. I would never allow my DD to play for a school or club with a coach who dated or married a former player. That needs to be the standard.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2022 18:09:49 GMT -5
The fact that holiday happened to stumble upon this post under a thread that’s about someone they don’t know at all… I’m not buying it not to mention they would’ve had to some to the very last page of this thread (again, ab someone they supposedly don’t know) to find that specific post. it’s not holiday lol
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 15, 2022 18:13:37 GMT -5
I would never allow my DD to play for a school or club with a coach who dated or married a former player. Interesting that you feel like you must "allow" your DD to choose where she wants to go to college and what she can do there. Normally college students are at least 18, right? Don't get me wrong here, I don't generally think it would be a good idea, either for the player, the coach, the school, or the team for a college player to be involved in a romantic relationship with a team coach. I would assume most schools have rules against that, and some states have laws that forbid such relationships well beyond the usual age of consent. That being said, I believe a person of college age is an adult, and can make adult decisions. I'm more concerned with (as I said) issues of professional ethics and potential sexual harassment. Any romantic relationship with an unequal power balance has at least the potential of being unhealthy and not actually truly consensual.
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Post by oldnewbie on Apr 16, 2022 7:54:56 GMT -5
I would never allow my DD to play for a school or club with a coach who dated or married a former player. Interesting that you feel like you must "allow" your DD to choose where she wants to go to college and what she can do there. Normally college students are at least 18, right? Don't get me wrong here, I don't generally think it would be a good idea, either for the player, the coach, the school, or the team for a college player to be involved in a romantic relationship with a team coach. I would assume most schools have rules against that, and some states have laws that forbid such relationships well beyond the usual age of consent. That being said, I believe a person of college age is an adult, and can make adult decisions. I'm more concerned with (as I said) issues of professional ethics and potential sexual harassment. Any romantic relationship with an unequal power balance has at least the potential of being unhealthy and not actually truly consensual. Keep in mind that most current top players were recruited when they were 13 or 14, not 18. Even with the rule change, they are now recruiting 15 and 16 year old girls (end of 10th grade) I completely agree with your thoughts on the balance of power issues.
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Post by bigjohn043 on Apr 16, 2022 10:38:35 GMT -5
I would never allow my DD to play for a school or club with a coach who dated or married a former player. Interesting that you feel like you must "allow" your DD to choose where she wants to go to college and what she can do there. Normally college students are at least 18, right? Don't get me wrong here, I don't generally think it would be a good idea, either for the player, the coach, the school, or the team for a college player to be involved in a romantic relationship with a team coach. I would assume most schools have rules against that, and some states have laws that forbid such relationships well beyond the usual age of consent. That being said, I believe a person of college age is an adult, and can make adult decisions. I'm more concerned with (as I said) issues of professional ethics and potential sexual harassment. Any romantic relationship with an unequal power balance has at least the potential of being unhealthy and not actually truly consensual. Yes. As a parent I have a say in where my kid goes to college. As a practical matter, I am going to pay for it. But from a relationship perspective, of course my DD would understand input. I don't think you get it. By definition a coach dating a player or even a former player is an unequal balance of power and not truly consensual. I of course don't blame the player but it is 100% totally wrong on the part of the coach. In all situations. There is a huge world out there of people to date. Don't date your players or former players. Period. In any sport. And if we want our sport to be safe for young people (women mostly) then this needs to be enforced. Coaches who have dated or even married former players should not be part of the sport.
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