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Post by bigjohn043 on Apr 30, 2022 10:15:57 GMT -5
Beba thank you for your expert opinion. It’s nice to see that people care about this issue enough to read about it and respond. I’d like to ask that you read more on this case before you respond again. 1) We were not yet 18 yo when he did what he did to us. I think if you read the full body of information about this case you will easily come to this conclusion. The AAU, JVA ( a program Butler himself started!), USAV and Disney all believed us over him after examining the facts. 2) You said you didn’t see anything illegal. The above is illegal. Just because the statute of limitations passed so we could not bring charges in court does not change the fact what he did was illegal. Does anyone know when the judge may rule on the case being dismissed or not? Have the defendants asked for that? If it goes to court can the judge force him to testify under oath? If this goes to court he will have to testify. For that matter, he will have to subject himself to a deposition before it even goes to court. And while the statue of limitations has passed on the original offenses, he can be prosecuted for perjuring himself. Generally perjury in a civil case isn't something that gets prosecutors all that excited. However, the high profile me too elements of this case could be very exciting for an ambitious prosecutor. That is why it is highly unlikely this ever gets there. OTOH, Rick Butler may actually believe himself at this point. When people lie enough about something they can literally grow to believe their own lies. Wouldn't surprise me if this is the case with Rick Butler....
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Post by metoo on Apr 30, 2022 10:48:10 GMT -5
Thank you bigjohn043. I agree that some people believe start to believe their own lies. I believe this may be partially the case of Cheryl, his wife. However I think Butler is well aware of our ages and what he did. I think he is a classic narcissist that believes what he did was fine but is just lying about our ages for obvious reasons. Many times he tiptoes around his wording in answering questions to try to avoid out right lying so I do believe he knows and believes exactly what we are saying. He used to tell us we could call him “god”. I must have looked at him puzzled because he smirked laughed and said well it’s obvious why or something to that affect. If that is not a narcissist…
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Post by bigjohn043 on Apr 30, 2022 14:20:43 GMT -5
Thank you bigjohn043. I agree that some people believe start to believe their own lies. I believe this may be partially the case of Cheryl, his wife. However I think Butler is well aware of our ages and what he did. I think he is a classic narcissist that believes what he did was fine but is just lying about our ages for obvious reasons. Many times he tiptoes around his wording in answering questions to try to avoid out right lying so I do believe he knows and believes exactly what we are saying. He used to tell us we could call him “god”. I must have looked at him puzzled because he smirked laughed and said well it’s obvious why or something to that affect. If that is not a narcissist… Cognitive dissonance is a very powerful thing. And this happened ~30 years ago so his ability to convince himself that it didn't really start until you where 18 is very powerful. I haven't seen any research on this point, but I would think cognitive dissonance is even more powerful in a narcissist. Their desire to protect their ego will be very strong and much stronger than in an average person. I think I have seen Rick offer to take a lie detector test. He might even pass one because he has so convinced himself of his righteousness. In any case, thank you for speaking out. This type of stuff used to happen all too frequently and needs to stop at all levels: club, college and prol
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Post by metoo on Oct 5, 2022 12:12:06 GMT -5
Anyone know the status of this law suit?
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Post by moderndaycoach on Oct 17, 2022 14:30:23 GMT -5
Anyone know the status of this law suit? Has this moved forward at all?
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Post by vbnut23 on Oct 27, 2022 17:05:10 GMT -5
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Post by Phaedrus on Feb 29, 2024 7:14:11 GMT -5
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 29, 2024 7:35:19 GMT -5
$20K fine for legal fees due to trying to interfere with the class action lawsuit.
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Post by mervinswerved on Feb 29, 2024 7:53:53 GMT -5
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy!
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