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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2022 12:17:33 GMT -5
So according to the voting on this poll this where the teams project:
1. Nebraska.
2. Minn
3. Wisconsin.
4. Ohio St
5. Purdue
6. ILL
7. Penn St
8. Michigan St
9. Maryland
10. Michigan
11. Northwestern.
12. Rutgers
13. Iowa
14. Indiana.
Michigan is way too low in this poll.
Michigan State way too high.
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Post by knapplc on May 17, 2022 12:28:40 GMT -5
It may be better to look at the poll in tiers. Top Tier (in alphabetical order): Minnesota Nebraska Wisconsin Middle Tier: Illinois Ohio State Penn State Purdue Bottom Tier: Indiana Iowa Maryland Michigan Michigan State Nortwestern (sic)  Rutgers It could be contended that those responding to the poll view Minnesota, Nebraska and Wisconsin as the three most likely to stay at the top over the next five years. Five votes separate the highest vote-getter from the lowest in this tier, and this tier is 17 points higher than the highest vote-getter in the next tier (as of 5/17/22). People have reasonably high confidence that Illinois, Ohio State, Penn State and Purdue will be at or near the top. The gap between the Top Tier and the Middle Tier (17 points) is as wide as the gap between the top vote-getter in this tier and the lowest - but there's a clear separation between the lowest member of this tier and the Bottom Tier. And people are reasonably certain that the bottom tier schools will not be among the top half schools over the next five years. That's a massive gap between the bottom of the Middle Tier (56 votes) and the top of the Bottom Tier (15 votes). |
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Post by bbg95 on May 17, 2022 12:34:36 GMT -5
It may be better to look at the poll in tiers. Top Tier (in alphabetical order): Minnesota Nebraska Wisconsin Middle Tier: Illinois Ohio State Penn State Purdue Bottom Tier: Indiana Iowa Maryland Michigan Michigan State Nortwestern (sic)  Rutgers It could be contended that those responding to the poll view Minnesota, Nebraska and Wisconsin as the three most likely to stay at the top over the next five years. Five votes separate the highest vote-getter from the lowest in this tier, and this tier is 17 points higher than the highest vote-getter in the next tier (as of 5/17/22). People have reasonably high confidence that Illinois, Ohio State, Penn State and Purdue will be at or near the top. The gap between the Top Tier and the Middle Tier (17 points) is as wide as the gap between the top vote-getter in this tier and the lowest - but there's a clear separation between the lowest member of this tier and the Bottom Tier. And people are reasonably certain that the bottom tier schools will not be among the top half schools over the next five years. That's a massive gap between the bottom of the Middle Tier (56 votes) and the top of the Bottom Tier (15 votes). This is a good post and exactly how I look at it. On a related note, I think this stratification is also why some Big Ten jobs aren't that attractive. Like when Steve Aird finally gets canned, I'm not so sure I'd want to take that Indiana job when there are so many good teams in the conference already. |
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Post by gopherhim on May 17, 2022 12:56:36 GMT -5
Yeah what this poll tells me is that among the voters there’s pretty much a consensus top half of the conference. I’m no statistical analyst, but the results do feel… incomplete?… considering voters are averaging fewer than 4 votes per ballot. I would have thought Michigan, Penn State, and Illinois would be a bit closer in the results, and I wonder if that would have been the case if everyone used all of their votes.
Of the bottom 7, I do think 8-10 are the most likely to crack the top half once or twice in the next 5 years. Who gets bumped to the bottom half in those years? Not Nebraska, Minnesota, or Wisconsin.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2022 13:03:15 GMT -5
That bottom tier shouldn’t have Michigan in it.
The rest of those teams would be a huge job to coach.
If anyone gets into the top half from there they are doing work.
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Post by knapplc on May 17, 2022 13:53:15 GMT -5
the results do feel… incomplete?… considering voters are averaging fewer than 4 votes per ballot. I only voted for five teams. |
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Post by hammer on May 17, 2022 14:24:43 GMT -5
That bottom tier shouldn’t have Michigan in it. The rest of those teams would be a huge job to coach. If anyone gets into the top half from there they are doing work. Have you discussed this with Brutus Buckeye? |
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Post by vollectator on May 17, 2022 14:41:09 GMT -5
looking forward to the breakthrough by any or all of the middle tier teams. all of them have the potential to do that.
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Post by hornshouse23 on May 17, 2022 15:29:42 GMT -5
looking forward to the breakthrough by any or all of the middle tier teams. all of them have the potential to do that. My money is Ohio State |
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Post by Kearney Kingston on May 17, 2022 19:36:30 GMT -5
How much patience does the administration at Northwestern have?
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Post by vollectator on May 17, 2022 19:41:46 GMT -5
looking forward to the breakthrough by any or all of the middle tier teams. all of them have the potential to do that. My money is Ohio State there's going to be an all-BIG final four one of these days:) |
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Post by hornshouse23 on May 17, 2022 19:43:56 GMT -5
there's going to be an all-BIG final four one of these days:) I rebuke that. |
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Post by robtearle on May 17, 2022 19:44:11 GMT -5
How much patience does the administration at Northwestern have? Did "we" ever get the story on Northwestern forfeiting matches during the COVID spring season for other-than-COVID reasons? |
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Post by bbg95 on May 17, 2022 19:49:29 GMT -5
there's going to be an all-BIG final four one of these days:) I rebuke that. Seems unlikely. I don't think the Pac-10 even did that during their peak. They had three a few times. Edit: It looks like the closest this came to happening was probably in 2007. Stanford was the No. 1 seed and advanced to the Final Four, as did No. 5 seed USC. No. 10 seed Cal upset Nebraska to make it, and Washington was the 6 seed, but they lost in the second round to BYU. Even if Washington hadn't lost, they would have had to contend with Penn State in the Elite 8, and I don't think anyone was beating them, as they didn't drop a set until the title game. |
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Post by volleyaudience on May 17, 2022 20:37:52 GMT -5
Initially, I was thinking the poll votes might be overly influenced by last year's finish.
But looking today, there is, IMO, some history to justify the opinions or guesses voiced in the poll. 8 schools have been Big10 Champs in volleyball (I believe, Penn State 17, Wisconsin 8, Illinois 4, Nebraska 3, Minnesota 3, Ohio State 3, Michigan State 2, and Purdue 1.) The six other schools have none.
Of the schools voted in the top seven in our poll, all but Purdue have made National Semi-Finals appearances. Three have been National Champions. This group [edit: of seven] has several runner up and final four appearances. Of those voted in the bottom half of our poll, only Michigan has an appearance as high as National Semi-Finals (and they went to the Final four).
This just interested me and is subject to error and not based on dependable research.
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