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Post by BearClause on May 8, 2022 22:45:59 GMT -5
Trump was obsessed with the most insignificant things. He had to fight Trump over release of Congressionally appropriated military aid to Ukraine. Apparently the DoD had to "swat down" Trump's weird suggestions every few weeks. And the suggestion to fire missiles into Mexico to strike at drug cartels. And he apparently thought that nobody would know that the US fired them. Also wanted active duty troops to shoot at protesters. And then the stunt holding the bible awkwardly where nobody else with Trump knew that he wanted a photo op.
There's more in his book. Trump is just bizarre sometimes. He apparently didn't like the way that US Navy ships looked and wished that they looked more like Russian or Italian naval vessels.
And this is something he seemed proud about in public. He wanted a "yacht with missiles".
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Post by mervinswerved on May 8, 2022 22:51:44 GMT -5
If Mark Esper was so horrified by what happened in the Trump administration, he could have just not joined the Trump Administration. Or, at the absolute very least, he could have resigned and publicly blown the whistle when any of those horrible things happened.
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Post by BearClause on May 8, 2022 23:01:39 GMT -5
If Mark Esper was so horrified by what happened in the Trump administration, he could have just not joined the Trump Administration. Or, at the absolute very least, he could have resigned and publicly blown the whistle when any of those horrible things happened. I believe a a lot of people thought that they could somehow moderate Trump somehow, where it could be worse where they might be replaced by Trump sycophants who were enablers rather than rational leadership. |
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Post by mervinswerved on May 8, 2022 23:11:05 GMT -5
If Mark Esper was so horrified by what happened in the Trump administration, he could have just not joined the Trump Administration. Or, at the absolute very least, he could have resigned and publicly blown the whistle when any of those horrible things happened. I believe a a lot of people thought that they could somehow moderate Trump somehow, where it could be worse where they might be replaced by Trump sycophants who were enablers rather than rational leadership. 1. Most of them knew exactly what they were signing up for. 2. The ones who didn't are morons. |
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Post by HOLIDAY on May 9, 2022 4:29:40 GMT -5
If Mark Esper was so horrified by what happened in the Trump administration, he could have just not joined the Trump Administration. Or, at the absolute very least, he could have resigned and publicly blown the whistle when any of those horrible things happened. I believe a a lot of people thought that they could somehow moderate Trump somehow, where it could be worse where they might be replaced by Trump sycophants who were enablers rather than rational leadership. How honorable of them and instead of being smart enough to realize they’re just trying to sell books at this point, of course you crazy Democrats believe every single thing they say because it salacious and you hate Donald Trump. It’s just embarrassing at this point. |
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Post by HOLIDAY on May 9, 2022 4:31:17 GMT -5
And these honorable people have chosen to pimp themselves out for money. What does that say about their character?And of course a barrage of Democrats like Bear will be the first in line to buy the book and make them even richer.
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Post by moody on May 9, 2022 5:43:26 GMT -5
And these honorable people have chosen to pimp themselves out for money. What does that say about their character?And of course a barrage of Democrats like Bear will be the first in line to buy the book and make them even richer. It certainly makes it convenient that everyone who ever criticizes or accuses Trump of wrongdoings is some sort of liar yet Trump, who chose these people to be in his cabinet has never told an untruth. And the best part is, hoolie doesn’t even see the idiot that he is. That’s what makes you so un-American, hoolie. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2022 6:24:02 GMT -5
Esper *is* an honorable person. Spin things however you want but keep that detail in mind. If he's guilty of anything, it's being competent and moderate rather than some sort of ideologue extremist.
He took over an impossible situation working for a horrible, corrupt man. Esper was able to keep things rolling at the Pentagon and away from interference by the president. The relatively quick response to the Ukraine crisis is due to Esper keeping the DoD stable and functioning. Without that, without the changes that remain underway in the Pentagon Esper continued to help shepherd thru, the US would be in a worse position today (and then we would need to 'make America great again'
Complaining about books is a red-herring. When was the last administration that did NOT have its cabinet members release books after they left office? That goes back maybe all the way to Hoover or Coolidge. Some are interesting for the truths they tell. Some are interesting for the lies they tell. Some are well-written (or ghostwritten), others suck. But it's not something new and if you criticize Esper for this, you need to be criticizing dozens of others within both parties.
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Post by HOLIDAY on May 9, 2022 7:34:13 GMT -5
Esper *is* an honorable person. Spin things however you want but keep that detail in mind. If he's guilty of anything, it's being competent and moderate rather than some sort of ideologue extremist. He took over an impossible situation working for a horrible, corrupt man. Esper was able to keep things rolling at the Pentagon and away from interference by the president. The relatively quick response to the Ukraine crisis is due to Esper keeping the DoD stable and functioning. Without that, without the changes that remain underway in the Pentagon Esper continued to help shepherd thru, the US would be in a worse position today (and then we would need to 'make America great again' Complaining about books is a red-herring. When was the last administration that did NOT have its cabinet members release books after they left office? That goes back maybe all the way to Hoover or Coolidge. Some are interesting for the truths they tell. Some are interesting for the lies they tell. Some are well-written (or ghostwritten), others suck. But it's not something new and if you criticize Esper for this, you need to be criticizing dozens of others within both parties. Oh really? Why did he write the book? What was his main motivation? You don’t think it was money? You know better. I don’t trust anyone of any party that sells their former employers down the river for money. This is not a Partisan issue, it’s a trust issue. These people held very private historical posts for a presidency. When they cry their eyes out and reveal to the world their experiences whether true or not? That’s not honorable. |
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Post by moody on May 9, 2022 8:00:10 GMT -5
Esper *is* an honorable person. Spin things however you want but keep that detail in mind. If he's guilty of anything, it's being competent and moderate rather than some sort of ideologue extremist. He took over an impossible situation working for a horrible, corrupt man. Esper was able to keep things rolling at the Pentagon and away from interference by the president. The relatively quick response to the Ukraine crisis is due to Esper keeping the DoD stable and functioning. Without that, without the changes that remain underway in the Pentagon Esper continued to help shepherd thru, the US would be in a worse position today (and then we would need to 'make America great again' Complaining about books is a red-herring. When was the last administration that did NOT have its cabinet members release books after they left office? That goes back maybe all the way to Hoover or Coolidge. Some are interesting for the truths they tell. Some are interesting for the lies they tell. Some are well-written (or ghostwritten), others suck. But it's not something new and if you criticize Esper for this, you need to be criticizing dozens of others within both parties. Oh really? Why did he write the book? What was his main motivation? You don’t think it was money? You know better. I don’t trust anyone of any party that sells their former employers down the river for money. This is not a Partisan issue, it’s a trust issue. These people held very private historical posts for a presidency. When they cry their eyes out and reveal to the world their experiences whether true or not? That’s not honorable. lieutenant colonel Alexander Vindman must be your hero. He sacrificed his career to tell the truth about Trump's attempt to bribe Ukraine's new president. |
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Post by HOLIDAY on May 9, 2022 8:01:46 GMT -5
Oh really? Why did he write the book? What was his main motivation? You don’t think it was money? You know better. I don’t trust anyone of any party that sells their former employers down the river for money. This is not a Partisan issue, it’s a trust issue. These people held very private historical posts for a presidency. When they cry their eyes out and reveal to the world their experiences whether true or not? That’s not honorable. lieutenant colonel Alexander Vindman must be your hero. He sacrificed his career to tell the truth about Trump's attempt to bribe Ukraine's new president. Hero? You bet. |
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Post by moody on May 9, 2022 8:03:04 GMT -5
lieutenant colonel Alexander Vindman must be your hero. He sacrificed his career to tell the truth about Trump's attempt to bribe Ukraine's new president. Hero? You bet. So you support Vindman? |
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Post by HOLIDAY on May 9, 2022 8:04:52 GMT -5
I support all scumbags, that they are allowed to have free speech. |
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Post by moody on May 9, 2022 8:06:14 GMT -5
I support all scumbags, that they allowed to have free speech. Wait, is Vindman a scumbag or a hero? He spoke out because he felt it was his patriotic duty. He lost his career, as did his brother, because of his speaking out. |
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Post by HOLIDAY on May 9, 2022 8:07:01 GMT -5
I support all scumbags, that they allowed to have free speech. Wait, is Vindman a scumbag or a hero? He spoke out because he felt it was his patriotic duty. He lost his career, as did his brother, because of his speaking out. I am glad he lost his career, who cares, |
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