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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 25, 2022 7:07:14 GMT -5
Most of those players were pre 1976. Since then - it was in the owners interest to keep players in the minors so they couldn't accrue service time, and why it is more rare today than before.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2022 8:53:39 GMT -5
Most of those players were pre 1976. Since then - it was in the owners interest to keep players in the minors so they couldn't accrue service time, and why it is more rare today than before. That's not quite true, especially with the new agreement. There are now quite a few young prospects making it to the majors. Just this year (not all have done well): Brett Baty Shea Langeliers Max Meyer Royce Lewis Vaughn Grissom Brayan Bellow Nick Pratto Adley Rutschman Michael Harris Julio Rodriguez CJ Abrams Bobby Witt Spence Torkelson O'Neill Cruz Christopher Morel Then you add in recent years with guys like Wander Franco, Juan Soto, and Atlanta's Acuna.
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 25, 2022 9:18:03 GMT -5
Most of those players were pre 1976. Since then - it was in the owners interest to keep players in the minors so they couldn't accrue service time, and why it is more rare today than before. That's not quite true, especially with the new agreement. There are now quite a few young prospects making it to the majors. Just this year (not all have done well): Brett Baty Shea Langeliers Max Meyer Royce Lewis Vaughn Grissom Brayan Bellow Nick Pratto Adley Rutschman Michael Harris Julio Rodriguez CJ Abrams Bobby Witt Spence Torkelson O'Neill Cruz Christopher Morel Then you add in recent years with guys like Wander Franco, Juan Soto, and Atlanta's Acuna. Not sure what we are talking about here? Pratto was drafted in 2017. His first year in the majors was 2022 - and he will not receive a full year of service time. His 6 year window on team control doesn't conclude until after the 2028 season. He will be 29 or 30 years old before he can become a free agent. He had 5 years in the minor leagues, plus half of this year before he reached the majors. Royce Lewis - same as Pratto. Drafted in 2017, just now called up. Will not be a free agent until 10 years after he was drafted. Harris, Rutshman, Witt all drafted in 2019 and just now making the major leagues - and other than Witt, were held back in order to manipulate service time and delay FA for an extra year. Rutschman was the #1 pick in the draft and is one of the best players in baseball - he will be 31 years old when he finally becomes a free agent. Given the life of a catcher, he is likely 'screwed' on ever seeing market salary.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2022 9:45:13 GMT -5
That's not quite true, especially with the new agreement. There are now quite a few young prospects making it to the majors. Just this year (not all have done well): Brett Baty Shea Langeliers Max Meyer Royce Lewis Vaughn Grissom Brayan Bellow Nick Pratto Adley Rutschman Michael Harris Julio Rodriguez CJ Abrams Bobby Witt Spence Torkelson O'Neill Cruz Christopher Morel Then you add in recent years with guys like Wander Franco, Juan Soto, and Atlanta's Acuna. Not sure what we are talking about here? Pratto was drafted in 2017. His first year in the majors was 2022 - and he will not receive a full year of service time. His 6 year window on team control doesn't conclude until after the 2028 season. He will be 29 or 30 years old before he can become a free agent. He had 5 years in the minor leagues, plus half of this year before he reached the majors. Royce Lewis - same as Pratto. Drafted in 2017, just now called up. Will not be a free agent until 10 years after he was drafted. Harris, Rutshman, Witt all drafted in 2019 and just now making the major leagues - and other than Witt, were held back in order to manipulate service time and delay FA for an extra year. Rutschman was the #1 pick in the draft and is one of the best players in baseball - he will be 31 years old when he finally becomes a free agent. Given the life of a catcher, he is likely 'screwed' on ever seeing market salary. The assertion was that young people are being held back for salary purposes. That list is young people in the majors. If you mention 'but he was drafted in 2019'--you also need to note that those athletes lost 1-2 years of minors time due to COVID, so that they are up far ahead of the standard athlete in terms of minor league time. As for Rutschman, according to the Orioles blog, he has two years at a minimum left then three arbitration years and then becomes a free agent. That is not age-31. Current talk from the Orioles is that they are looking to buy out his arbitration years and go beyond, providing either an 8 or 10 year contract with an annual average value between 17-20 million. If signed, that would make him a free agent somewhere between 31-33 years of age.
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 25, 2022 10:48:27 GMT -5
Not sure what we are talking about here? Pratto was drafted in 2017. His first year in the majors was 2022 - and he will not receive a full year of service time. His 6 year window on team control doesn't conclude until after the 2028 season. He will be 29 or 30 years old before he can become a free agent. He had 5 years in the minor leagues, plus half of this year before he reached the majors. Royce Lewis - same as Pratto. Drafted in 2017, just now called up. Will not be a free agent until 10 years after he was drafted. Harris, Rutshman, Witt all drafted in 2019 and just now making the major leagues - and other than Witt, were held back in order to manipulate service time and delay FA for an extra year. Rutschman was the #1 pick in the draft and is one of the best players in baseball - he will be 31 years old when he finally becomes a free agent. Given the life of a catcher, he is likely 'screwed' on ever seeing market salary. The assertion was that young people are being held back for salary purposes. That list is young people in the majors. If you mention 'but he was drafted in 2019'--you also need to note that those athletes lost 1-2 years of minors time due to COVID, so that they are up far ahead of the standard athlete in terms of minor league time. As for Rutschman, according to the Orioles blog, he has two years at a minimum left then three arbitration years and then becomes a free agent. That is not age-31. Current talk from the Orioles is that they are looking to buy out his arbitration years and go beyond, providing either an 8 or 10 year contract with an annual average value between 17-20 million. If signed, that would make him a free agent somewhere between 31-33 years of age. The assertion was that MLB has 6 years of team control once a player starts earning service time. They do not earn service time while in the minor leagues. This gives teams a huge incentive to hold back players from reaching the major leagues and starting their free agency clock - particularly teams that aren't winning. As such, we see fewer 'straight to the major leagues' than in the past - and even the best players are held back reducing the amount of money they make. This is contrast to the NBA and NFL, where the good players start their free agency clock after being drafted and also have a shorter period of time once they start playing in the big leagues. This difference means several years longer and several years older - before MLB players become free agents. Adley Rutschman becomes a free agent after the 2028 season. However, with the change in the new CBA - Rutschman (or anyone) that finishes in the top 2 of rookie of the year will get a year taken off. If Rutschman does finish in the top 2, then his FA year will be after the 2027 season. Baring an agreement to buyout his arbitration years - Rutschman will become a free agent at the age of 30 (or 29 if he finishes in the top 2). Baltimore will have had complete control over Rutschman for 10 years (9 - if you take away the lost year for Covid). No other major sport does a premier player have to wait this long before they are able to gain market value for their services. Baltimore who is notorious for playing games with player service time - is facing something similar with the #1 prospect Gunner Henderson, where they may manipulate such that it decreases his chances of finishing rookie of the year (top 2) and keep an extra year of control.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 25, 2022 10:51:25 GMT -5
The assertion was that young people are being held back for salary purposes. That list is young people in the majors. If you mention 'but he was drafted in 2019'--you also need to note that those athletes lost 1-2 years of minors time due to COVID, so that they are up far ahead of the standard athlete in terms of minor league time. As for Rutschman, according to the Orioles blog, he has two years at a minimum left then three arbitration years and then becomes a free agent. That is not age-31. Current talk from the Orioles is that they are looking to buy out his arbitration years and go beyond, providing either an 8 or 10 year contract with an annual average value between 17-20 million. If signed, that would make him a free agent somewhere between 31-33 years of age. The assertion was that MLB has 6 years of team control once a player starts earning service time. They do not earn service time while in the minor leagues. This gives teams a huge incentive to hold back players from reaching the major leagues and starting their free agency clock - particularly teams that aren't winning. As such, we see fewer 'straight to the major leagues' than in the past - and even the best players are held back reducing the amount of money they make. This is contrast to the NBA and NFL, where the good players start their free agency clock after being drafted and also have a shorter period of time once they start playing in the big leagues. This difference means several years longer and several years older - before MLB players become free agents. Adley Rutschman becomes a free agent after the 2028 season. However, with the change in the new CBA - Rutschman (or anyone) that finishes in the top 2 of rookie of the year will get a year taken off. If Rutschman does finish in the top 2, then his FA year will be after the 2027 season. Baring an agreement to buyout his arbitration years - Rutschman will become a free agent at the age of 30 (or 29 if he finishes in the top 2). Baltimore will have had complete control over Rutschman for 10 years (9 - if you take away the lost year for Covid). No other major sport does a premier player have to wait this long before they are able to gain market value for their services. Baltimore who is notorious for playing games with player service time - is facing something similar with the #1 prospect Gunner Henderson, where they may manipulate such that it decreases his chances of finishing rookie of the year (top 2) and keep an extra year of control. Right. And the NBA players are particularly advantaged because many of the biggest stars are starting at age 19 or so.
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Post by nowhereman on Aug 25, 2022 15:32:46 GMT -5
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Post by nowhereman on Aug 25, 2022 15:35:14 GMT -5
Speaking of Bill mazeroski do you remember when his annual baseball preview used to be at the magazine stand? Pretty cool that you can YouTube some of the greatest moments in baseball history.
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Post by nowhereman on Aug 28, 2022 15:49:59 GMT -5
hawaii dominating curacao in the little league final.
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Post by nowhereman on Aug 28, 2022 17:38:08 GMT -5
hawaii dominating curacao in the little league final. its official: hawaii 13, curacao 3. kudos to hawaii.
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Post by nowhereman on Aug 29, 2022 14:07:17 GMT -5
mickey mantle 1952 topps baseball card went for $12.6M.. kind of shake my head. what does a sports card offer that a nice well written biography does not? i actually collect biographies for lack of a better term and can do so at a fraction of the cost.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 29, 2022 14:49:15 GMT -5
mickey mantle 1952 topps baseball card went for $12.6M.. kind of shake my head. what does a sports card offer that a nice well written biography does not? rarity
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 29, 2022 15:00:30 GMT -5
mickey mantle 1952 topps baseball card went for $12.6M.. kind of shake my head. what does a sports card offer that a nice well written biography does not? rarity Rarity plus demand. There are plenty of things that are rare but not particularly valuable. If no one was interested in collecting a 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle baseball card, it wouldn't matter that it's rare. But there are some people who really value possessing such a thing.
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Post by akbar on Aug 31, 2022 19:29:20 GMT -5
Damn.... Yankees should have paid him.
Aaron Judge MLB ranks
51 HR (1st) 71 XBH (1st) 104 R (1st) 113 RBI (1st) .667 SLG (1st) 1.064 OPS (1st) 196 wRC+ (1st) .442 wOBA (1st) 312 total bases (1st) 125 runs created (1st) 8.3 fWAR (1st) 7.7 bWAR (1st) 5.51 WPA (1st)
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 31, 2022 20:39:38 GMT -5
Shohei Ohtani...where will a once-in-a-generation talent like him go? Clearly he's wasting his time with an underperforming time like the Angels. So what is his future?
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