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Post by Disc808 on Jun 13, 2022 8:10:25 GMT -5
We have seen players like Mozic, Michieletto, Yant who have gone pro at a very young age and have already showed they can handle it. I agree that Nikolov has shown a lot of potential and he’s actually doing some skilled things for his age. Passing and the little things need lots of work but he has the arm to go pro. I don’t fault him if he wants to get a degree, however.
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Post by MonicaGeller on Jun 13, 2022 8:18:51 GMT -5
So Canada pulled out a win at the last minute - is this expected? I don’t follow the men that closely, but I was happy to see that they won at home?
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Post by Disc808 on Jun 13, 2022 8:20:12 GMT -5
So Canada pulled out a win at the last minute - is this expected? I don’t follow the men that closely, but I was happy to see that they won at home? I think it is. Bulgaria has a lot of young and inexperienced players. They’re talented, but inconsistent. So Canada beating them isn’t really an upset or surprise. |
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Post by BigDigEnergy on Jun 13, 2022 9:03:36 GMT -5
So Canada pulled out a win at the last minute - is this expected? I don’t follow the men that closely, but I was happy to see that they won at home? I think it is. Bulgaria has a lot of young and inexperienced players. They’re talented, but inconsistent. So Canada beating them isn’t really an upset or surprise. I was more surprised that Canada had to go 5 to win it. I thought it was going to be a sweep, but still happy for them. |
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Post by basil on Jun 13, 2022 9:13:26 GMT -5
So Canada pulled out a win at the last minute - is this expected? I don’t follow the men that closely, but I was happy to see that they won at home? based on the level from both teams this past week I thought it was pretty much a toss-up with Canada getting the edge because of crowd and experience. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jun 13, 2022 9:20:14 GMT -5
not necessarily so. yes, those things can be developed elsewhere is true, as to 'better', debatable. he will get to a point of diminishing returns though either after next year or year after. Just can't see him staying 4 years, and he'll probably get a degree in 3 anyway. As to “better” debatable?  ?? There are teams in NCAA who can barely make float serves, can’t pass free balls, and block like 14 year olds. That develops bad habits, and it showed in the game against Canada (a middling international team). Long Beach might develop passing “better” than bulgaria(probably not though), but everything else is just at a lower level which has given him some bad habits. He’s already the OH1 for a damn national team, he’s past NCAA level and I’m sure all of his coaches/family/pro teammates are in his ear saying not to be playing against 18 year olds who can’t even pass free balls. If I was at Nikolovs level I certainly would not stay at Long Beach and I think it would be an absolute detriment to his career to stay, there’s nothing left to prove that he can’t do at a higher level. It’s like Lebron averaging 30/15/15 in NCAA then having the same stats /role at the olympics, there’s no point in holding yourself to a lower standard by staying in a low level league like NCAA. that's silly, you are surmising by your words that Nikolov regressed by playing at Beach. he came in with bad habits, that still need work. he didn't learn those at Beach, and it was evident in January his game needed work rather than he was regressing from where he was at, some of that has showed during his play. NCAA affords him the opportunity to experiment as well. the comment about 'blocking like 14 year olds' is hyperbole, as is 18 year olds who can't pass the ball (because at times Nikolov is one of those 18 year olds that can't pass the ball, he's playing vs. typically 21 year olds, not 18 year olds, you make it sound like playing against high school, which is garbage and you know it. of course in the NCAA overall the level is lower than professional. however, the schedule Beach plays will be top 5 year in and year out, so they don't play too many "14 year old" blockers. to say it's a detriment isn't necessarily true. He will go up against competition typically with future pros across the net. Pro leagues aren't all all-star teams either. He is 18, and as TJ showed, playing 4 years wasn't some detriment to his career, albeit you can't compare something that didn't happen. Will he earn less? yeah, but he's got a schollie, and gets support when he's in Bulgaria, and so it's not like he'll be in poverty. Ann education is valuable for his career, along with maturity from an education. As to something left to prove, that's also silly. there's always something to prove, not just potentially winning a national championship, but going from a frosh to being a team leader, all those things are skills. Just going pro because it's a more immediate financial bonus and some higher competition isn't the end all. Especially because in all this he is 18 years old, and college does give a structured learning environment that could benefit, not be a detriment, to his overall carerr. There's no debating that he could go pro. But suggesting that the NCAA is some rag-tag competition with where he's at isn't the case. He has the chance to do both, NCAA and National team, that's not some 'low standard' whatsoever, he's unique to get the best of both worlds and both types of training. Will he, should he, leave. that's up to him, probably a fair amount depends on how the experience being in the US aside from VB is |
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Post by dillandclimb on Jun 13, 2022 11:19:33 GMT -5
As to “better” debatable? ?? There are teams in NCAA who can barely make float serves, can’t pass free balls, and block like 14 year olds. That develops bad habits, and it showed in the game against Canada (a middling international team). Long Beach might develop passing “better” than bulgaria(probably not though), but everything else is just at a lower level which has given him some bad habits. He’s already the OH1 for a damn national team, he’s past NCAA level and I’m sure all of his coaches/family/pro teammates are in his ear saying not to be playing against 18 year olds who can’t even pass free balls. If I was at Nikolovs level I certainly would not stay at Long Beach and I think it would be an absolute detriment to his career to stay, there’s nothing left to prove that he can’t do at a higher level. It’s like Lebron averaging 30/15/15 in NCAA then having the same stats /role at the olympics, there’s no point in holding yourself to a lower standard by staying in a low level league like NCAA. that's silly, you are surmising by your words that Nikolov regressed by playing at Beach. he came in with bad habits, that still need work. he didn't learn those at Beach, and it was evident in January his game needed work rather than he was regressing from where he was at, some of that has showed during his play. NCAA affords him the opportunity to experiment as well. the comment about 'blocking like 14 year olds' is hyperbole, as is 18 year olds who can't pass the ball (because at times Nikolov is one of those 18 year olds that can't pass the ball, he's playing vs. typically 21 year olds, not 18 year olds, you make it sound like playing against high school, which is garbage and you know it. of course in the NCAA overall the level is lower than professional. however, the schedule Beach plays will be top 5 year in and year out, so they don't play too many "14 year old" blockers. to say it's a detriment isn't necessarily true. He will go up against competition typically with future pros across the net. Pro leagues aren't all all-star teams either. He is 18, and as TJ showed, playing 4 years wasn't some detriment to his career, albeit you can't compare something that didn't happen. Will he earn less? yeah, but he's got a schollie, and gets support when he's in Bulgaria, and so it's not like he'll be in poverty. Ann education is valuable for his career, along with maturity from an education. As to something left to prove, that's also silly. there's always something to prove, not just potentially winning a national championship, but going from a frosh to being a team leader, all those things are skills. Just going pro because it's a more immediate financial bonus and some higher competition isn't the end all. Especially because in all this he is 18 years old, and college does give a structured learning environment that could benefit, not be a detriment, to his overall carerr. There's no debating that he could go pro. But suggesting that the NCAA is some rag-tag competition with where he's at isn't the case. He has the chance to do both, NCAA and National team, that's not some 'low standard' whatsoever, he's unique to get the best of both worlds and both types of training. Will he, should he, leave. that's up to him, probably a fair amount depends on how the experience being in the US aside from VB is The level of blocking and passing is absolutely high school level compared to the seasoned pros he’s playing against at the international level, he was literally yelling at his Bulgarian teammates in the game against Canada because he’s the biggest alpha and leader on the team already. If Long Beach played Hawaii 20 times you might have a point about scheduling but they play teams like CSUN and Long Island (sorry Luke), these teams all have extreme weaknesses that allows nikolov to basically do whatever he wants. NCAA is absolutely high level competition compared to American high school and club, but it is a low level league compared to the top pro leagues Nikolov could be playing in (Poland, Italy, Russia). Also the TJ comparison doesn’t work because he was probably the 5-8th best outside in america in his sophomore year meanwhile Nikolov is the clear OH1 in his country. Also “future pros”, anybody with a 30 inch vertical and a pulse can go pro in Iceland or Kazakhstan, there’s levels to the competition and Nikolov should increase his level by playing against better teams in a higher level league. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jun 13, 2022 11:30:46 GMT -5
that's silly, you are surmising by your words that Nikolov regressed by playing at Beach. he came in with bad habits, that still need work. he didn't learn those at Beach, and it was evident in January his game needed work rather than he was regressing from where he was at, some of that has showed during his play. NCAA affords him the opportunity to experiment as well. the comment about 'blocking like 14 year olds' is hyperbole, as is 18 year olds who can't pass the ball (because at times Nikolov is one of those 18 year olds that can't pass the ball, he's playing vs. typically 21 year olds, not 18 year olds, you make it sound like playing against high school, which is garbage and you know it. of course in the NCAA overall the level is lower than professional. however, the schedule Beach plays will be top 5 year in and year out, so they don't play too many "14 year old" blockers. to say it's a detriment isn't necessarily true. He will go up against competition typically with future pros across the net. Pro leagues aren't all all-star teams either. He is 18, and as TJ showed, playing 4 years wasn't some detriment to his career, albeit you can't compare something that didn't happen. Will he earn less? yeah, but he's got a schollie, and gets support when he's in Bulgaria, and so it's not like he'll be in poverty. Ann education is valuable for his career, along with maturity from an education. As to something left to prove, that's also silly. there's always something to prove, not just potentially winning a national championship, but going from a frosh to being a team leader, all those things are skills. Just going pro because it's a more immediate financial bonus and some higher competition isn't the end all. Especially because in all this he is 18 years old, and college does give a structured learning environment that could benefit, not be a detriment, to his overall carerr. There's no debating that he could go pro. But suggesting that the NCAA is some rag-tag competition with where he's at isn't the case. He has the chance to do both, NCAA and National team, that's not some 'low standard' whatsoever, he's unique to get the best of both worlds and both types of training. Will he, should he, leave. that's up to him, probably a fair amount depends on how the experience being in the US aside from VB is The level of blocking and passing is absolutely high school level compared to the seasoned pros he’s playing against at the international level, he was literally yelling at his Bulgarian teammates in the game against Canada because he’s the biggest alpha and leader on the team already. If Long Beach played Hawaii 20 times you might have a point about scheduling but they play teams like CSUN and Long Island (sorry Luke), these teams all have extreme weaknesses that allows nikolov to basically do whatever he wants. NCAA is absolutely high level competition compared to American high school and club, but it is a low level league compared to the top pro leagues Nikolov could be playing in (Poland, Italy, Russia). Also the TJ comparison doesn’t work because he was probably the 5-8th best outside in america in his sophomore year meanwhile Nikolov is the clear OH1 in his country. Also “future pros”, anybody with a 30 inch vertical and a pulse can go pro in Iceland or Kazakhstan, there’s levels to the competition and Nikolov should increase his level by playing against better teams in a higher level league. more exaggeration lol, TJ was the POY his soph year maybe an arugment that Szheshen (sic) was better LB has 2 Long Island type matches each year, typically well over half the matches are against top 10-12 teams, that play high level NIkolov is an equal opportunity yeller, lol, whether college or NT |
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Post by wilbur on Jun 13, 2022 13:09:21 GMT -5
The level of blocking and passing is absolutely high school level compared to the seasoned pros he’s playing against at the international level, he was literally yelling at his Bulgarian teammates in the game against Canada because he’s the biggest alpha and leader on the team already. If Long Beach played Hawaii 20 times you might have a point about scheduling but they play teams like CSUN and Long Island (sorry Luke), these teams all have extreme weaknesses that allows nikolov to basically do whatever he wants. NCAA is absolutely high level competition compared to American high school and club, but it is a low level league compared to the top pro leagues Nikolov could be playing in (Poland, Italy, Russia). Also the TJ comparison doesn’t work because he was probably the 5-8th best outside in america in his sophomore year meanwhile Nikolov is the clear OH1 in his country. Also “future pros”, anybody with a 30 inch vertical and a pulse can go pro in Iceland or Kazakhstan, there’s levels to the competition and Nikolov should increase his level by playing against better teams in a higher level league. more exaggeration lol, TJ was the POY his soph year maybe an arugment that Szheshen (sic) was better LB has 2 Long Island type matches each year, typically well over half the matches are against top 10-12 teams, that play high level NIkolov is an equal opportunity yeller, lol, whether college or NT Mr Climb was saying 6th on the national team depyh chart, not NCAA. Alex is great, heneeda to polish his back court skills. More importantly he needa to work on leadership skills and how to come up big in the key moments and make his team come up big. LB is the ideal place for that to happen. Playing in Italy or Poland where be belongs skill wise will allow him to observe others who can do that, best case on his own team but likely on other teams against him. LB is going to vive him a much better enviornment to develop that and a coaching staff that is going to be 100% focused on that priority. |
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Post by dillandclimb on Jun 13, 2022 14:13:59 GMT -5
The level of blocking and passing is absolutely high school level compared to the seasoned pros he’s playing against at the international level, he was literally yelling at his Bulgarian teammates in the game against Canada because he’s the biggest alpha and leader on the team already. If Long Beach played Hawaii 20 times you might have a point about scheduling but they play teams like CSUN and Long Island (sorry Luke), these teams all have extreme weaknesses that allows nikolov to basically do whatever he wants. NCAA is absolutely high level competition compared to American high school and club, but it is a low level league compared to the top pro leagues Nikolov could be playing in (Poland, Italy, Russia). Also the TJ comparison doesn’t work because he was probably the 5-8th best outside in america in his sophomore year meanwhile Nikolov is the clear OH1 in his country. Also “future pros”, anybody with a 30 inch vertical and a pulse can go pro in Iceland or Kazakhstan, there’s levels to the competition and Nikolov should increase his level by playing against better teams in a higher level league. more exaggeration lol, TJ was the POY his soph year maybe an arugment that Szheshen (sic) was better LB has 2 Long Island type matches each year, typically well over half the matches are against top 10-12 teams, that play high level NIkolov is an equal opportunity yeller, lol, whether college or NT 5th-8th best outside of all Americans, any age,not just college. Taylor sander, Aaron Russell, jaeschke, Matt Anderson, were all clearly better. There is no outside in Bulgaria better than nikolov. Top 10-12 ncaa is trash compared to top 10-12 national teams or Italy league. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jun 13, 2022 14:30:55 GMT -5
more exaggeration lol, TJ was the POY his soph year maybe an arugment that Szheshen (sic) was better LB has 2 Long Island type matches each year, typically well over half the matches are against top 10-12 teams, that play high level NIkolov is an equal opportunity yeller, lol, whether college or NT 5th-8th best outside of all Americans, any age,not just college. Taylor sander, Aaron Russell, jaeschke, Matt Anderson, were all clearly better. There is no outside in Bulgaria better than nikolov. Top 10-12 ncaa is trash compared to top 10-12 national teams or Italy league. so then 'going pro' is a different thing as to being on the Bulgarian National team. ....which he is already doing, and will do next Summer. so much for that argument. again, it's a decision that doesn't have to be based on an immediate need to be pro at this time. His career won't necessarily suffer long term by going to college, and might help especially given his age. Again, he is getting potentially the best of both, playing college with a different experience for maturity and training AND playing on the NT. At least until he's done with his soph and possibly junior year, it's not that compelling unless it's only about a pro paycheck sooner. I can't see him staying 4 years but you never know. He can take money under NIL now from potential sources even outside the US. There really is no rush to turn pro like you suggest. |
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Post by Disc808 on Jun 13, 2022 14:52:32 GMT -5
In attempts to get back on topic here...
I heard Italy's coach tested positive for COVID (that's why he was replaced in their match) and will have to isolate. That's definitely going to be a challenge for Italy as they try to prepare for the next round(s).
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Post by basil on Jun 13, 2022 14:54:08 GMT -5
unfortunate for Di Giorgi for sure…are Michieletto and Lavia coming in next week?
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Post by Disc808 on Jun 13, 2022 15:38:55 GMT -5
unfortunate for Di Giorgi for sure…are Michieletto and Lavia coming in next week? Not sure. Michieletto posted recently and looked like he was on a vacation lol. Since Japan plays Italy next week I wouldn’t mind to see them still on vacation  |
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Post by Disc808 on Jun 14, 2022 8:53:06 GMT -5
Japan arrived in the Philippines and will have a friendly with their team in a couple days. I’m wondering if that means they’re keeping the same roster for week 2 as I haven’t seen anything yet to confirm or deny that.
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?? There are teams in NCAA who can barely make float serves, can’t pass free balls, and block like 14 year olds. That develops bad habits, and it showed in the game against Canada (a middling international team). Long Beach might develop passing “better” than bulgaria(probably not though), but everything else is just at a lower level which has given him some bad habits. He’s already the OH1 for a damn national team, he’s past NCAA level and I’m sure all of his coaches/family/pro teammates are in his ear saying not to be playing against 18 year olds who can’t even pass free balls. If I was at Nikolovs level I certainly would not stay at Long Beach and I think it would be an absolute detriment to his career to stay, there’s nothing left to prove that he can’t do at a higher level. It’s like Lebron averaging 30/15/15 in NCAA then having the same stats 
