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Post by bounce22 on Jul 21, 2022 16:17:33 GMT -5
First off, it’s not just Manitoba that’s a mess. However, in regards to competitive ball, Manitoba has dropped off the map. The provincial organization “guidance” regarding high performance (insert sad eyes here) is laughable at best. I am certain that Manitoba isn’t the only province operating at this standard. Quite simply, COMPETITIVE volleyball in Canada needs a massive overhaul. These girls go to international events and it’s a smoke show at times. We always SAY we want to be competitive but don’t do the right things to become that (we have coaches that know what those things are but they rarely get an opportunity to lead a program. The girls are the ones who suffer. You are correct - there’s nothing wrong with being participatory just don’t say you’re elite until you can somewhat prove that on the court. The USA match proved how far behind we are. Hang in there ladies, one day someone will care enough about you and right this ship. Keep working hard. Not trying to make excuses for the state of youth volleyball in Canada at the moment. Agree with what’s been posted. But please bear in mind our kids missed 2 compete seasons of club volleyball and most begun this club season with restrictions in place. Not saying there aren’t other factors within VC’s model that are frankly broken. But the effects of the pandemic has been pretty massive. The quality of play at nationals this year was considerably lower than 2018 and 2019 IM0. 2022 was the first year since 2019 there was a national championship. valid points for sure regarding the pandemic and you are correct that the level of play was better at nationals before the pandemic. However, I don’t believe we have changed the way we approach coaching at a higher level the way we need to in order to compete. If we continue on recruiting heavy arm left sides that can’t pass (or we can’t teach them???) then we are doomed to be irrelevant on the international scene. We currently can’t swing out of system like the top nations can. Let’s start with some big jumping, smart 5’10 left sides that pass great (we have them) and I’ll GUARANTEE we lose by much less than we are now … possibly even go above .500. We have a chance in system and no chance out of system…. look at our latest U19 group and you can see that poor passing ends badly for us |
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Post by bounce22 on Jul 21, 2022 16:28:52 GMT -5
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Post by ay2013 on Jul 21, 2022 16:40:22 GMT -5
hmmmm I can see it now: "Hey elite underage Canadian volleyball players, want to pay thousands of dollars to travel to Tulsa, Oklahoma in the middle of summer to get your asses handed to you by the Americans on a volleyball court?"..... rich people these days  |
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Post by rbball02 on Jul 21, 2022 16:55:04 GMT -5
Not trying to make excuses for the state of youth volleyball in Canada at the moment. Agree with what’s been posted. But please bear in mind our kids missed 2 compete seasons of club volleyball and most begun this club season with restrictions in place. Not saying there aren’t other factors within VC’s model that are frankly broken. But the effects of the pandemic has been pretty massive. The quality of play at nationals this year was considerably lower than 2018 and 2019 IM0. 2022 was the first year since 2019 there was a national championship. valid points for sure regarding the pandemic and you are correct that the level of play was better at nationals before the pandemic. However, I don’t believe we have changed the way we approach coaching at a higher level the way we need to in order to compete. If we continue on recruiting heavy arm left sides that can’t pass (or we can’t teach them???) then we are doomed to be irrelevant on the international scene. We currently can’t swing out of system like the top nations can. Let’s start with some big jumping, smart 5’10 left sides that pass great (we have them) and I’ll GUARANTEE we lose by much less than we are now … possibly even go above .500. We have a chance in system and no chance out of system…. look at our latest U19 group and you can see that poor passing ends badly for us Is the goal to go .500 at a U19 event or get your best athletes experience to try and qualify for the 2028 Olympics? Have to know the federations goals before condemning their entire strategy based on the results in a couple of events |
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Post by bounce22 on Jul 21, 2022 17:01:22 GMT -5
valid points for sure regarding the pandemic and you are correct that the level of play was better at nationals before the pandemic. However, I don’t believe we have changed the way we approach coaching at a higher level the way we need to in order to compete. If we continue on recruiting heavy arm left sides that can’t pass (or we can’t teach them???) then we are doomed to be irrelevant on the international scene. We currently can’t swing out of system like the top nations can. Let’s start with some big jumping, smart 5’10 left sides that pass great (we have them) and I’ll GUARANTEE we lose by much less than we are now … possibly even go above .500. We have a chance in system and no chance out of system…. look at our latest U19 group and you can see that poor passing ends badly for us Is the goal to go .500 at a U19 event or get your best athletes experience to try and qualify for the 2028 Olympics? Have to know the federations goals before condemning their entire strategy based on the results in a couple of events just go back over the last 30 years …. It appears there are no goals or the goals are not high enough competitively speaking or they are unrealistic based on the money/coaches we have. I am not condemning anything … the results over the last 30 years have done that without me |
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Post by photos1 on Jul 21, 2022 17:02:14 GMT -5
hmmmm I can see it now: "Hey elite underage Canadian volleyball players, want to pay thousands of dollars to travel to Tulsa, Oklahoma in the middle of summer to get your asses handed to you by the Americans on a volleyball court?"..... rich people these days Which is why Tulsa is such a bizarre choice to hold an international volleyball tournament. Isn’t the goal of such events to grow and enrich the sport? I don’t know where this event “should” have been held, but if was being held in Lincoln Nebraska at the Devaney Center, with 4 Nebraska commits on the team, they would be drawing +6000 to every match, and these players wouldn’t have to pay their own way. There are real volleyball hotspots in this country that would have drawn proper crowds, but Tulsa is not one of them. And volleyball events like this should be played in venues that befit a Pan Amerian championship. From watching these matches, the only thing I think of is how much a drop in competition there is between the past two months of club tournaments and this pig dressed in a title. I hope no American gets injured playing in this farce. This tournament is enriching no one. . . Shame on the organizers of the event. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jul 21, 2022 17:03:47 GMT -5
hmmmm I can see it now: "Hey elite underage Canadian volleyball players, want to pay thousands of dollars to travel to Tulsa, Oklahoma in the middle of summer to get your asses handed to you by the Americans on a volleyball court?"..... rich people these days Which is why Tulsa is such a bizarre choice to hold an international volleyball tournament. Isn’t the goal of such events to grow and enrich the sport? I don’t know where this event “should” have been held, but if was being held in Lincoln Nebraska at the Devaney Center, with 4 Nebraska commits on the team, they would be drawing +6000 to every match, and these players wouldn’t have to pay their own way. There are real volleyball hotspots in this country that would have drawn proper crowds, Tulsa is not one of them. And volleyball events like this should be played in a venues that befit a Pan Amerian championship. From watching these matches, the only thing I think of is how much a drop in competition there is between the past two months of club tournaments and this pig dressed in a title. I hope no American gets injured playing in this farce. This tournament is enriching no one. . . Shame on the organizers of the event. Because Tulsa is hosting other USAV stuff this week. USA Volleyball does not care about growing the sport, see: Senior NT stuff. The only reason they're playing this is because they have to to qualify for the World Championship next summer. |
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Post by bounce22 on Jul 21, 2022 17:07:31 GMT -5
hmmmm I can see it now: "Hey elite underage Canadian volleyball players, want to pay thousands of dollars to travel to Tulsa, Oklahoma in the middle of summer to get your asses handed to you by the Americans on a volleyball court?"..... rich people these days that actually might be the best sell job we got these days |
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Post by photos1 on Jul 21, 2022 17:21:11 GMT -5
Which is why Tulsa is such a bizarre choice to hold an international volleyball tournament. Isn’t the goal of such events to grow and enrich the sport? I don’t know where this event “should” have been held, but if was being held in Lincoln Nebraska at the Devaney Center, with 4 Nebraska commits on the team, they would be drawing +6000 to every match, and these players wouldn’t have to pay their own way. There are real volleyball hotspots in this country that would have drawn proper crowds, Tulsa is not one of them. And volleyball events like this should be played in a venues that befit a Pan Amerian championship. From watching these matches, the only thing I think of is how much a drop in competition there is between the past two months of club tournaments and this pig dressed in a title. I hope no American gets injured playing in this farce. This tournament is enriching no one. . . Shame on the organizers of the event. Because Tulsa is hosting other USAV stuff this week. USA Volleyball does not care about growing the sport, see: Senior NT stuff. The only reason they're playing this is because they have to to qualify for the World Championship next summer. I can’t imagine the “other stuff” benefits by playing in Tulsa any more than this U19 volleyball does. Tulsa is not an acceptable spot-sorry. USVA needs to start looking to grow this sport and stop with their passive-aggressive approach to repressing it’s growth. This is something that should have been streamed with real cameras and announcers-we have schools of broadcast journalism that are full of students who would die to be summer interns for USVB and broadcast this event. VB is the most participated sport among American high school females. It’s really time to stop making excuses for these people. Outside of the practice time during the selection process, this tournament has done nothing beneficial for these American players. It’s also sad to see the euro castoff Morrison is back at the helm of this age group. . . You get what you earn. . |
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jul 21, 2022 17:33:29 GMT -5
Having to pay their own way, certainly doesn't help but it's par for the course. I just wish Canada would be upfront and say that they aren't motivated to be competitive in some sports and just focus all their time, energy, and money on hockey. |
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jul 21, 2022 17:40:34 GMT -5
I don’t know where this event “should” have been held, but if was being held in Lincoln Nebraska at the Devaney Center, with 4 Nebraska commits on the team, they would be drawing +6000 to every match, and these players wouldn’t have to pay their own way.
Maybe the USA matches would've drawn that much, but I don't think 6000+ want to see Mexico vs Peru.
I also don't think gate proceeds would've gone to paying for the teams to be there instead of them paying their own way, but I could be wrong about that.
Bottomline is, that for whatever reason, USAV has deemed Tulsa as a desirable location.
They held developmental camp/ tournament there a few years back.
Beats me as to why. I will hazard a guess that it's financially attractive to them.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jul 21, 2022 17:41:22 GMT -5
did the USA senior team even draw 6k in lincoln?
four random recruits arent
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jul 21, 2022 18:23:43 GMT -5
Started watching the PR vs Mexico match but got turned off hearing some girl from the PR bench high pitch scream every time Mexico was about to serve.
That and "Balls Up!" really bugs me.
Just seems outside the concept of good sportsmanship (or whatever we call it these days).
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Post by veebz17 on Jul 21, 2022 20:44:58 GMT -5
hmmmm I can see it now: "Hey elite underage Canadian volleyball players, want to pay thousands of dollars to travel to Tulsa, Oklahoma in the middle of summer to get your asses handed to you by the Americans on a volleyball court?"..... rich people these days Yes and it seems like the usual players - and other talent that maybe isn’t able to/doesn’t want to shell out the thousands of dollars to play with Team Canada - are all in Calgary this week representing their provincial teams at the Canada Cup. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jul 21, 2022 21:20:01 GMT -5
USA will play the Dominican tomorrow at 6pm CT.
I believe they've clinched their spot in next year's world championship. I dont think Brazil is eligible. (but dont quote me)
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