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Post by somecoach on Jul 16, 2022 15:06:20 GMT -5
Hello VT World,
I remember seeing a stat diagram about SO% based on where the server stands behind the end line. I remember down the line being the lowest S/O% for the receiving team and a player serving out of the middle was super high SO%. This may have been a Joe Trinsey or Kessel article possibly, but I'm not 100%.
Does anyone have any clue what I'm talking about AND where to find it?
Thank you in advance!
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Post by n00b on Jul 16, 2022 19:38:19 GMT -5
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Post by joetrinsey on Jul 17, 2022 5:16:22 GMT -5
I have some data on this. In transit right now but I’ll put it together and post it up here shortly.
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Post by somecoach on Jul 17, 2022 14:45:29 GMT -5
I have some data on this. In transit right now but I’ll put it together and post it up here shortly. Thank you, Joe! |
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Post by bustominkus on Jul 17, 2022 16:34:24 GMT -5
Would down the line S/O% being the lowest be due to outsides passing in back left the most often and servers serving from the right side of their court, targeting outsides the most? I would think this stat would be due to that rather than the angle of the ball being down the line, and if outsides are taking the pass they probably aren’t transitioning as well to attack. I personally think that passing balls down the line is easier than cross court.
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Post by somecoach on Jul 17, 2022 17:38:29 GMT -5
Would down the line S/O% being the lowest be due to outsides passing in back left the most often and servers serving from the right side of their court, targeting outsides the most? I would think this stat would be due to that rather than the angle of the ball being down the line, and if outsides are taking the pass they probably aren’t transitioning as well to attack. I personally think that passing balls down the line is easier than cross court. My take on it is.... 1. You are serving to the hitter most often and they are in attack mode. 2. This is a game of processing information, a down the line serve allows for less time to read and react and consequently, the pass is not as good and the dominoes fall from there and then you couple that with having to pass a ball coming at you over on an angle making it a bit more difficult. This is pure speculation though, I'm sure joetrinsey has the answers here. |
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Post by salsolomon on Jul 17, 2022 19:10:15 GMT -5
I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I saw something about this at AVCA, either from Jim Stone or Nate Ngo and I believe the data was from the u20 world championships. I remember a few key points:
- Down the line was better than cross, whether serving zone 5 or zone 1.
- Serving from the middle or to the middle resulted in better passes.
- Showing passers different angles and depths was very good.
My take away was that my servers should be able to serve from either side to either side.
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Post by cardinalvolleyball on Jul 18, 2022 9:00:19 GMT -5
I hope we are clarifying what down the line means. Because whether we are talking three serving zones or four matters. Also are we serving the ball at the passer to their right or to their left matters as well. Not as simple as "down the line"
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Post by somecoach on Jul 18, 2022 10:33:47 GMT -5
I hope we are clarifying what down the line means. Because whether we are talking three serving zones or four matters. Also are we serving the ball at the passer to their right or to their left matters as well. Not as simple as "down the line" I think the data is (literally) general with down the line being Zone 1 to 5 or Zone 5 to 1. Which side they pass on their body was a separate study and I have found that one. While I value what you are saying, seams are good no matter which one. What I want is relevant proof that our servers should be serving from close to the sideline because serving from the middle is against the data/science. |
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Post by somecoach on Jul 18, 2022 10:35:20 GMT -5
I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I saw something about this at AVCA, either from Jim Stone or Nate Ngo and I believe the data was from the u20 world championships. I remember a few key points: - Down the line was better than cross, whether serving zone 5 or zone 1. - Serving from the middle or to the middle resulted in better passes. - Showing passers different angles and depths was very good. My take away was that my servers should be able to serve from either side to either side. This is what I remember too, maybe it was Jim Stone after all. Will try to research that a bit. At least the USAVB stat god, Joe has it for sure in case it comes up empty. |
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Post by itsallrelative on Jul 18, 2022 11:00:48 GMT -5
I hope we are clarifying what down the line means. Because whether we are talking three serving zones or four matters. Also are we serving the ball at the passer to their right or to their left matters as well. Not as simple as "down the line" I think the data is (literally) general with down the line being Zone 1 to 5 or Zone 5 to 1. Which side they pass on their body was a separate study and I have found that one. While I value what you are saying, seams are good no matter which one. What I want is relevant proof that our servers should be serving from close to the sideline because serving from the middle is against the data/science. would you link to the study about side of body? please? |
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Post by joetrinsey on Jul 20, 2022 10:17:42 GMT -5
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Post by somecoach on Jul 22, 2022 13:20:57 GMT -5
I made the joetrinsey blog 🤩😱🫣! Thanks, Joe...you are amazing! |
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Post by somecoach on Jul 22, 2022 13:22:56 GMT -5
I think the data is (literally) general with down the line being Zone 1 to 5 or Zone 5 to 1. Which side they pass on their body was a separate study and I have found that one. While I value what you are saying, seams are good no matter which one. What I want is relevant proof that our servers should be serving from close to the sideline because serving from the middle is against the data/science. would you link to the study about side of body? please? Here you go! I know there is another one that exists, but this is the one I found in pursuit of the other!
thevolleyballanalyst.wordpress.com/2022/07/11/analysing-passing-stats-by-body-location/ |
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Post by joetrinsey on Jul 22, 2022 13:50:35 GMT -5
Great post thanks for sharing.
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