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Post by Fight On! on Oct 22, 2022 13:22:49 GMT -5
How’s everyone’s fantasy week going so far? Total sets played by starters so far: 36 Total aces by starters so far: 1 Same |
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 22, 2022 13:25:23 GMT -5
Wright State decided to wake up and have a pillow fight…. Digs for everybody!
31 digs in the first set… I’d be exhausted.
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Post by vup on Oct 22, 2022 13:47:28 GMT -5
My middles are carrying me in aces rn. Holland had 4 against Maryland, and Ryder had 2 against Iowa.
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Post by vup on Oct 22, 2022 13:51:33 GMT -5
What is the criteria for recording a dig? I feel like the recording is inconsistent…. 🤔
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Post by vballfan17 on Oct 22, 2022 13:53:02 GMT -5
What is the criteria for recording a dig? I feel like the recording is inconsistent…. 🤔 I was wondering the same thing for aces |
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Post by uofaGRAD on Oct 22, 2022 14:03:17 GMT -5
What is the criteria for recording a dig? I feel like the recording is inconsistent…. 🤔 should be any “up” off of an attack (from the other team) that stays in play. I think the inconsistency comes when there’s block touches involved, where according to the NCAA rule book, that’s still a dig (I think), but if it’s a big enough block touch, some people don’t want to count it. |
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 22, 2022 14:03:54 GMT -5
What is the criteria for recording a dig? I feel like the recording is inconsistent…. 🤔 I definitely think it's inconsistent because what gets classified as an "attack" can be very inconsistent. FWIW, for NCAA stats, I'd like to see a blanket rule that all first contacts after serve are recorded as a dig. |
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 22, 2022 14:06:14 GMT -5
What is the criteria for recording a dig? I feel like the recording is inconsistent…. 🤔 should be any “up” off of an attack (from the other team) that stays in play. I think the inconsistency comes when there’s block touches involved, where according to the NCAA rule book, that’s still a dig (I think), but if it’s a big enough block touch, some people don’t want to count it. It's definitely more than just block touches - which, IMO, should ALWAYS be counted as a dig. I've seen standing freeballs by back row players in front of the 10ft line being counted as digs for the player that put it up, yet, those aren't actually "attacks". I've seen well placed bumps to deep corners being counted as digs for the player that put it up too. |
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Post by trojansc on Oct 22, 2022 14:07:17 GMT -5
What is the criteria for recording a dig? I feel like the recording is inconsistent…. 🤔 should be any “up” off of an attack (from the other team) that stays in play. I think the inconsistency comes when there’s block touches involved, where according to the NCAA rule book, that’s still a dig (I think), but if it’s a big enough block touch, some people don’t want to count it. Don't want to count it? That's dumb. I'm not sure I've really seen that. But what I have seen come into play often: -The middle gets the block touch AND the dig. Quite often I feel like middles get shorted here, but it's literally no different than when they get the touch and it gets dug by someone else. -'Overdigs' are not always counted. A dig that goes over the net and stays in play, is technically a dig. A dig that goes over the net, the opposition attacks on 1, and immediately gets dug again, those are technically both digs, but will sometimes not get recorded. -Setters (and rarely liberos) going over on 2 don't always get recorded as digs. Even standing dumps can be considered attacks. Liberos who fake-set and go over the net are technically attacks and should be recorded as digs when dug up. -Poor sets resulting in weird tips/attacks from the OH are ambiguous. This one I don't really care about because it is ambiguous and in the poinion of the scorers. |
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Post by uofaGRAD on Oct 22, 2022 14:08:51 GMT -5
It's definitely more than just block touches - which, IMO, should ALWAYS be counted as a dig. I've seen standing freeballs by back row players in front of the 10ft line being counted as digs for the player that put it up, yet, those aren't actually "attacks". I've seen well placed bumps to deep corners being counted as digs for the player that put it up too. yuck, I don’t like that. I respect your “all first contacts” blanket rule because I actually really like blanket rules too for consistency, but I think I’d rather any ball “struck” above the net as an attack, anything below (freeballs, downballs, standing sets over on third contact) not as an attack. (I also agree anything off a block touch should be a dig as well) |
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Post by trojansc on Oct 22, 2022 14:09:14 GMT -5
What is the criteria for recording a dig? I feel like the recording is inconsistent…. 🤔 I was wondering the same thing for aces Aces get weird when the setter (or any other player really) makes a 2nd contact but it's a very poor one. SOMETIMES that can count as an ace, sometimes not. Obviously, it's not about the setter contact per se, but if the first contact is so bad that the second contact is 'just trying to keep the ball in play' rather than trying to set, then it SHOULD be an ace. If the second contact is mostly the fault of the setter themselves, then it's different. That's ambiguous. You'll often see "Bad set by xx" in the play-by-play when that happens, but other times it will be recorded as an ace. Some people think if three contacts are made it's not an ace, but obviously that's not true. |
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Post by trojansc on Oct 22, 2022 14:11:32 GMT -5
Kacie Evans... do you want to be a middle blocker?! She's outblocking Fischer even right now. Lol.
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Post by Fight On! on Oct 22, 2022 14:15:06 GMT -5
should be any “up” off of an attack (from the other team) that stays in play. I think the inconsistency comes when there’s block touches involved, where according to the NCAA rule book, that’s still a dig (I think), but if it’s a big enough block touch, some people don’t want to count it. It's definitely more than just block touches - which, IMO, should ALWAYS be counted as a dig. I've seen standing freeballs by back row players in front of the 10ft line being counted as digs for the player that put it up, yet, those aren't actually "attacks". I've seen well placed bumps to deep corners being counted as digs for the player that put it up too. Aren’t those “attacks”? |
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Post by vballfan17 on Oct 22, 2022 14:18:43 GMT -5
I was wondering the same thing for aces Aces get weird when the setter (or any other player really) makes a 2nd contact but it's a very poor one. SOMETIMES that can count as an ace, sometimes not. You'll often see "Bad set by xx" in the play-by-play when that happens, but other times it will be recorded as an ace. Some people think if three contacts are made it's not an ace, but obviously that's not true. I had an instance last night where Blossom served and the pass went awry and caused Bower to get called for a bad set and wasn’t counted as an ace. I can understand if it’s a decent pass and the setter just mangles the set and gets called but if the server caused the setter to mangle the ball due to a bad pass, that should be considered an ace. Here are some rules I found from 2018 - fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/Stats_Manuals/VB/2018.pdfThis says if the receiving team is out of rotation, it’s counted as an ace for the server. Huh? |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Oct 22, 2022 14:21:11 GMT -5
Aces get weird when the setter (or any other player really) makes a 2nd contact but it's a very poor one. SOMETIMES that can count as an ace, sometimes not. You'll often see "Bad set by xx" in the play-by-play when that happens, but other times it will be recorded as an ace. Some people think if three contacts are made it's not an ace, but obviously that's not true. I had an instance last night where Blossom served and the pass went awry and caused Bower to get called for a bad set and wasn’t counted as an ace. I can understand if it’s a decent pass and the setter just mangles the set and gets called but if the server caused the setter to mangle the ball due to a bad pass, that should be considered an ace. Here are some rules I found from 2018 - fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/Stats_Manuals/VB/2018.pdfThis says if the receiving team is out of rotation, it’s counted as an ace for the server. Huh? the out of rotation thing happened to me in the covid year… and I think it made me lose lol |
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