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Post by nellynel on Oct 9, 2022 11:52:20 GMT -5
Were your compelled when Kansas (not top 25, 2nd-4th best in the conference) took the unanimous #1 team to 5? We’re you compelled when #17 Baylor (2nd-4th best in the conference) beat Kansas in 5? Its been agreed the top 5 in the B10 are good and the strength of that conference but the remainder of the conference is somewhere between mediocre and bad. Michigan, Maryland and Northwestern would be middle of the road teams in the B12 and Iowa, Rutgers, Michigan St, Indiana would all be at the bottom of the B12 with West Virginia. The B10 has plenty of compelling matchups but it also has a lot of nights off. Any time Texas plays I’m watching. I don’t actually think the Texas-Kansas match was that close. The scores in the last 3 sets were not blow outs, but KU had a lot of difficulty scoring on their serve, including a 100% side out in the 5th. Credit to them and a passionate crowd for inspiring a high level of play from the Jayhawks, but they’ve shown that’s a difficult level for them to maintain night in night out. I enjoyed watching KU-Baylor because I thought it might have hosting implications. Now I don’t think it will. I still think that’s the most compelling match the Big12 has to offer that does not involve Texas. I wish it was a little more compelling than it is, at this point. I like watching teams I think have a chance to make deep runs. Specifically if that’s true of the opponent as well. That’s not the Big 12 outside of Texas. Have you watched the ACC? Who is compelling after Louisville, G Tech and Pitt (only 1 I’m convinced will have a deep run the other teams I need to see more from) Outside of Oregon (which just lost to a mediocre Wash St team) and Stanford which have both looked Un convincing at times who are you compelled with in the PAC? |
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Post by slxpress on Oct 9, 2022 11:59:20 GMT -5
Any time Texas plays I’m watching. I don’t actually think the Texas-Kansas match was that close. The scores in the last 3 sets were not blow outs, but KU had a lot of difficulty scoring on their serve, including a 100% side out in the 5th. Credit to them and a passionate crowd for inspiring a high level of play from the Jayhawks, but they’ve shown that’s a difficult level for them to maintain night in night out. I enjoyed watching KU-Baylor because I thought it might have hosting implications. Now I don’t think it will. I still think that’s the most compelling match the Big12 has to offer that does not involve Texas. I wish it was a little more compelling than it is, at this point. I like watching teams I think have a chance to make deep runs. Specifically if that’s true of the opponent as well. That’s not the Big 12 outside of Texas. Have you watched the ACC? Who is compelling after Louisville, G Tech and Pitt (only 1 I’m convinced will have a deep run the other teams I need to see more from) Outside of Oregon (which just lost to a mediocre Wash St team) and Stanford which have both looked Un convincing at times who are you compelled with in the PAC? Louisville, Pitt, and Georgia Tech (only because of Bergmann - I loved Brambilla last year, though) in the ACC. Washington, Stanford, and Oregon in the PAC - also USC, because of Skylar, and I think they have more talent than accomplishments so far. Washington and Oregon play in a few hours, actually. I love both Nuneviller and Colyer. Plus my niece goes there and knows the players, so that’s fun. Oregon doesn’t have their starting setter at the moment. Oh, I love Robinson at Utah, too, even though Utah isn’t as good as they were last year. When she gets a full swing, the ball looks like it’s been shot out of a cannon. |
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Post by nellynel on Oct 9, 2022 12:04:56 GMT -5
Have you watched the ACC? Who is compelling after Louisville, G Tech and Pitt (only 1 I’m convinced will have a deep run the other teams I need to see more from) Outside of Oregon (which just lost to a mediocre Wash St team) and Stanford which have both looked Un convincing at times who are you compelled with in the PAC? Louisville, Pitt, and Georgia Tech (only because of Bergmann - I loved Brambilla last year, though) in the ACC. Washington, Stanford, and Oregon in the PAC - also USC, because of Skylar, and I think they have more talent than accomplishments so far. Washington and Oregon play in a few hours, actually. I love both Nuneviller and Colyer. Plus my niece goes there and knows that players, so that’s fun. Oregon doesn’t have their starting setter at the moment. So that’s like 2-3 teams per conference that have compelling teams. Is it really that much different than the B12. If you haven’t figured it out I’m trying to rid you of your self loathing of the B12 and enjoy the ride of a wild conference (less Texas we hope). I think it’s entertaining when a team people picked like seventh in the conference (OU) can take a team many people picked to finish second (Baylor). That’s not happening in a lot of conference because the gap between top to bottom is a thousand miles wide. The top of the B12 is not as good as others but the bottom isn’t nearly as bad either. |
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Post by nellynel on Oct 9, 2022 12:34:49 GMT -5
Not a predictor of future results but only matches played. If Ohio St, Minnesota, Stanford we’re transported into the B12 they would be competing with Baylor, Kansas, etc. for 2nd place in the conference. Not really more compelling IMO than it already is.
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Post by volleynerd on Oct 9, 2022 19:22:05 GMT -5
WEEK FOUR OF CONFERENCE PLAY | TEAM | MATCH 1 | MATCH 2 | | Texas (4-0) | v. Kansas State | @ Baylor | | Baylor (4-1)* | v. Texas | | | TCU (3-2) | @ Kansas | @ Kansas State | | Iowa State (2-2) | v. West Virginia | @ Oklahoma | | Kansas (2-2) | v. TCU | v. Texas Tech | | Kansas State (2-2) | @ Texas | v. TCU | | Texas Tech (2-2) | v. Oklahoma | @ Kansas | | Oklahoma (1-3) | @ Texas Tech | v. Iowa State | | West Virginia (0-5)* | @ Iowa State |
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*Baylor will take on Rice in Houston in a non conference matchup on Wednesday *West Virginia will take on Chicago state in Morgantown in a non conference matchup on Saturday |
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Post by bevojerky on Oct 11, 2022 16:27:10 GMT -5
Hello wanted to make a post about the Big 12 Tournament Outlook
After an unexpected tournament performance in 2022 the big12 looks to have taken a step back. The conference lost a large number of seniors, leaving behind many young teams. While I think it’s unrealistic to expect anywhere near the number of teams last year, I believe this could still be a really solid year for the conference. I did not include Texas in my breakdown as they are a lock for a regional seed at this point. The following are teams that I believe can make the tournament halfway through the season.
Notes
-Kansas state, TCU, West Virginia are all really solid teams that scheduled a bit too tough for their young teams imo. I do not see them making the tournament.
- the average conference RPI is 63.7, fourth among P5 conferences. SEC(54.9), B10(57.8) PAC (59.7), B12(63.7), ACC(70.3)
- If the bottom teams continue to pull off upsets I could see as little as 3 teams in the tournament.
- This is all my opinion not definitive , welcome to any discussion.
Baylor RPI #31
Record:14-3
The bears look to be a lock as tournament participants. The bears lack the strength of schedule or RPI to contend for a seed IMO. If the bears can manage at least one victory over Texas they may be in the conversation for a seed. However stranger things have happened and they’ll be a team no one wants in their bracket. .
Significant Wins over RPI: #8 (Wisconsin), #29 (Kansas), #38 Colorado state.
Wins over RPI: #64 (TCU) #97 (Tulsa)
Worst loss to RPI: #61 (Iowa state)
Loses to: #7 (Minnesota), #24 (Pepperdine)
Kansas RPI #29
Record:12-5
The Jayhawks started the season strong after an unlikely sweet 16 run in 2021. However the Jayhawks have been inconsistent and have had moments of brilliance (taking Texas to 5) and some losses that I don’t think were expected. While Kansas doesn’t have any major wins they scheduled well and have managed to avoid any losses outside of the top 100, making them a lock for a tournament bid imo.
Significant wins over RPI: #40 (Utah), #46 (LMU)
Wins over RPI: #81 (Wichita state), #73 (Kansas state), #95 (Omaha)
Worst loss to RPI: #61 (Iowa state)
Losses to RPI: #11 (UCF), #1 (Texas), #31 (Baylor), #61 (Iowa State)
Texas Tech RPI # 44
Record:13-4
The red raiders were undefeated til they ran into a solid Rice team 10 in the RPI. They schedule well and while they have no top 25 wins they have several wins within the 25-100 range. This along with their great RPI makes me believe they are a tournament team. While the red raiders have a terrible loss to Oral Roberts , I don’t believe it will be enough to leave them out of the tournament.
Significant wins over RPI: #49 (Georgia)
Wins over RPI: #54 (SMU), #68 (UTRGV), #73 (K-State)
Worst LOSS: #262 (Oral Roberts)🫠
Losses to RPI: #1 (Texas), #10 (Rice), #64 (TCU)
Iowa State RPI #61
Record: 10-7
The cyclones are a much better team than their record May lead you to believe. With several quality wins and no major losses outside of the top 100. The cyclones can make a push to be included in the tournament with some more upsets in conference play, and are a team I could see in the last four in/ first four out category.
Significant wins over RPI:#29 (Kansas), #31 (Baylor)
Wins over RPI: # 78 (wright State), #88 (Drake), #93 (Iowa)
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Post by houstonbear15 on Oct 11, 2022 19:17:04 GMT -5
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Post by nellynel on Oct 12, 2022 12:05:31 GMT -5
Another match I’ll be monitoring is TCU-Kansas. After a ruff pre-season TCU is playing much better under the new HC. This is not a gimme for Kansas.
They are 3-2 in-conference with only losses to Texas and Baylor and were 2 points from taking Baylor to 5 sets in the loss.
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Post by brybast on Oct 12, 2022 21:17:23 GMT -5
Iowa State gets the reverse sweep over West Virginia, coming back from 5-8 in set 5 to win 17-15.
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Post by slxpress on Oct 12, 2022 22:10:47 GMT -5
Iowa State gets the reverse sweep over West Virginia, coming back from 5-8 in set 5 to win 17-15. Good for Iowa State, but honestly, that's not a good look. |
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Post by mln59 on Oct 12, 2022 22:13:51 GMT -5
tech beats ou 3-1
baylor beats rice 3-0
kansas beats tcu 3-0
iowa state beats wvu 3-2
Texas beats kstate 3-0
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Post by playaplease on Oct 12, 2022 22:17:09 GMT -5
Iowa State gets the reverse sweep over West Virginia, coming back from 5-8 in set 5 to win 17-15. Good for Iowa State, but honestly, that's not a good look. WVU shoulda woulda coulda won this match easily. |
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Post by brybast on Oct 12, 2022 22:27:17 GMT -5
Iowa State gets the reverse sweep over West Virginia, coming back from 5-8 in set 5 to win 17-15. Good for Iowa State, but honestly, that's not a good look. Yeah, I have no idea how the same team that barely beats WV could have beaten Baylor in 4. |
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Post by slxpress on Oct 12, 2022 23:28:57 GMT -5
Well, from what I've watched Baylor plays like you'd expect from such a young team that depends on its middle attack. I think they're without a doubt the second most talented team in the Big 12, but so much of the talent are freshmen. I'd be shocked if there's another top 25 type team depending on as many freshmen for big contributions as Baylor has this year.
KU is the second most talented team by my eye. But they've got holes, so they're not unbeatable.
Iowa State has a lot of pride as a program, and they have some players. I feel like they've done better going to the 6-2, but I didn't watch any of the West Virginia match, so I have no idea what's going on there.
OU looks better than they did last year, for sure. But they're young, too. Texas Tech is a solid top 50 RPI type team that could squeak into the tournament, but nothing more. TCU has the new coach, the former assistant from Baylor. It looks like maybe he'll get that culture turned around. Dunno. It's his first year, and his team already has a couple of nice wins. We'll see if he can build off of that.
K-State has often been pretty good. Texas just steamrolled them in their most dominant win this year, so it's tough for me to say how good they are. It would be better if I watched their 5 setter against Kansas.
If suddenly Texas disappeared into a wormhole it would be a fascinating conference race. As it is, Baylor has a chance to shock the nation this Saturday when they host Texas. We'll see if they can pull it off. They have better production at middle, so that will be fun to watch how McGee and Talbert fare. Their libero has been super impressive. Maybe not as highlight worthy as Fleck, but her passing has been insane. Elise McGee was playing out of her mind against Rice. She and Harrison will have their hands full on the pin. Carlson as a freshman seems like everything she was advertised as.
Honestly, I expect a 3 set sweep by Texas, but if Baylor can get out to an early lead in a set and lead through the scoring teens, it changes things. But if they let Texas create a gap and then try to catch up by scoring points on their serve rotation, they're in trouble. Which is what tends to happen to opponents. Even in sets that are relatively close, once Texas gets a lead by the midpoint of the set, it tends to be lights out.
I don't know. I go 'round and 'round with nellynel about it, but this conference "don't impress me much" this year. I didn't expect to be impressed going into the season, and it's followed my expectation pretty much to a T. I do like what some of the programs are doing, but it's simply not going to show on the court in a spectacular way this year, and that's okay.
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Post by isu40 on Oct 13, 2022 17:34:21 GMT -5
Was at the WVU/ISU game and it was like ISU's UNI game all over again. They got out to a 7-1 lead in the first and lost it. Then couldn't do anything right in the second set. The third set ISU got out to a 12-0 lead and didn't look back. Eleanor had a bad night, expect serving, which everyone else struggled. WVU always seemed to be in the right place at the right time. Pretty sure neither team hit over .100. On to the next.
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