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Post by blue-footedbooby on Aug 20, 2022 12:08:51 GMT -5
Chinese drivers are adopting EVs like gangbusters. They’re certainly trying. What does this having to do with the original topic which is, is California and other states prepared for going all electric? The answer is no. What does 99% of what you post have to do with original topics, nothing! As stated before you are just thowing sh&* at the walls hoping something sticks.
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Post by BearClause on Aug 20, 2022 12:10:35 GMT -5
Chinese drivers are adopting EVs like gangbusters. They’re certainly trying. What does this having to do with the original topic which is, is California and other states prepared for going all electric? The answer is no. You were the first in this topic to mention China. But somehow we're the ones changing to the topic. Yes - we understand your hypocrisy all too well.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Aug 20, 2022 12:33:13 GMT -5
What does this having to do with the original topic which is, is California and other states prepared for going all electric? The answer is no. You were the first in this topic to mention China. But somehow we're the ones changing to the topic. Yes - we understand your hypocrisy all too well. I mention China because you kept trying to sell me on the fact that China does not produce as much pollution and we both know better
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Aug 20, 2022 12:43:28 GMT -5
Chinese drivers are adopting EVs like gangbusters. They’re certainly trying. What does this having to do with the original topic which is, is California and other states prepared for going all electric? The answer is no. Well, the OP was that the California electrical grid was "compromised," which would be an inaccurate description. Anyway, if, say, 80% of drivers in California switched to EV's tomorrow, then yes, there could be issues with energy usage. Of course, that's not happening. In the meantime, California has and will continue to set billions aside to make improvements in the energy infrastructure in anticipation of a gradual transition to EV's over the next few decades.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Aug 20, 2022 12:44:48 GMT -5
What does this having to do with the original topic which is, is California and other states prepared for going all electric? The answer is no. Well, the OP was that the California electrical grid was "compromised," which would be an inaccurate description. Anyway, if, say, 80% of drivers in California switched to EV's tomorrow, then yes, there could be issues with energy usage. Of course, that's not happening. In the meantime, California has and will continue to set billions aside to make improvements in the energy infrastructure in anticipation of a gradual transition to EV's over the next few decades. So you do agree though that infrastructure of the electric grid needs to be updated or beefed up so to speak. Because it’s stretched to the limit now. So why don’t we do that first and then you can promote the buying of electric cars etc. Wouldn’t that make more sense?
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Aug 20, 2022 12:58:00 GMT -5
Well, the OP was that the California electrical grid was "compromised," which would be an inaccurate description. Anyway, if, say, 80% of drivers in California switched to EV's tomorrow, then yes, there could be issues with energy usage. Of course, that's not happening. In the meantime, California has and will continue to set billions aside to make improvements in the energy infrastructure in anticipation of a gradual transition to EV's over the next few decades. So you do agree though that infrastructure of the electric grid needs to be updated or beefed up so to speak. Because it’s stretched to the limit now. So why don’t we do that first and then you can promote the buying of electric cars etc. Wouldn’t that make more sense? Because both can be done at the same time, and the reality is that it will take years - a decade, at the very minimum IMO - for EV's to largely replace ICE engines. But upgrading the grid for electric vehicles isn't even the primary issue anymore. The most pressing need is to improve and harden our energy infrastructure against extreme weather events brought on by climate change. That's why there was a strain on California's power grid, and that's why people have been dying in places like Texas from extreme cold and/or extreme heat - the current energy infrastructure can't handle it, and it's not going to get any better anytime soon.
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Post by BearClause on Aug 20, 2022 12:58:53 GMT -5
Well, the OP was that the California electrical grid was "compromised," which would be an inaccurate description. Anyway, if, say, 80% of drivers in California switched to EV's tomorrow, then yes, there could be issues with energy usage. Of course, that's not happening. In the meantime, California has and will continue to set billions aside to make improvements in the energy infrastructure in anticipation of a gradual transition to EV's over the next few decades. So you do agree though that infrastructure of the electric grid needs to be updated or beefed up so to speak. Because it’s stretched to the limit now. So why don’t we do that first and then you can promote the buying of electric cars etc. Wouldn’t that make more sense? That's a no. It is not stretched to the limit. It becomes iffy when there's excessive heat and A/C sucking up tons of power, and of course that's concentrated in the. Other places are bad with that - especially Texas. www.marketplace.org/2022/07/11/texas-power-grid-operator-asks-customers-limit-afternoon-ac-use/Or New Mexico: asph.com/protecting-your-hvac-system-during-rolling-power-outages/Or Nebraska (must be a lot of electric heating): journalstar.com/news/local/rolling-blackouts-paused-for-now-as-temperatures-rebound-from-minus-31-in-lincoln/article_bbe4042b-12b2-584c-bc07-c37f08286639.htmlwww.ketv.com/article/spp-oppd-reflect-on-rolling-blackouts-one-year-later/39156157#www.beatrice.ne.gov/electric/page/rolling-blackout-faqsA lot of the issues we have now are when there are high winds and wildfire risks. But I attribute that to letting a private company like PG&E operate at will without improving their infrastructure. In the past they were using it to "improve shareholder value" rather than put money back into safety/infrastructure improvements. When I was a kid I remember PG&E was exceptionally responsive, but over the years they started thinking more about putting back money into shareholders' pockets rather than enhancing customer service/safety. But they're paying now. The last time I remember a "public safety blackout" they had "comfort stations" where we sat by and charged our portable devices and got a lot of schwag.
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 20, 2022 13:00:20 GMT -5
Well, the OP was that the California electrical grid was "compromised," which would be an inaccurate description. Anyway, if, say, 80% of drivers in California switched to EV's tomorrow, then yes, there could be issues with energy usage. Of course, that's not happening. In the meantime, California has and will continue to set billions aside to make improvements in the energy infrastructure in anticipation of a gradual transition to EV's over the next few decades. So you do agree though that infrastructure of the electric grid needs to be updated or beefed up so to speak. Because it’s stretched to the limit now. So why don’t we do that first and then you can promote the buying of electric cars etc. Wouldn’t that make more sense? Some people can walk and chew gum at the same time, huckster. Don't be mad if you can't.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Aug 20, 2022 13:02:49 GMT -5
So you do agree though that infrastructure of the electric grid needs to be updated or beefed up so to speak. Because it’s stretched to the limit now. So why don’t we do that first and then you can promote the buying of electric cars etc. Wouldn’t that make more sense? Because both can be done at the same time, and the reality is that it will take years - a decade, at the very minimum IMO - for EV's to largely replace ICE engines. But upgrading the grid for electric vehicles isn't even the primary issue anymore. The most pressing need is to improve and harden our energy infrastructure against extreme weather events brought on by climate change. That's why there was a strain on California's power grid, and that's why people have been dying in places like Texas from extreme cold and/or extreme heat - the current energy infrastructure can't handle it, and it's not going to get any better anytime soon. Well, that’s your opinion. I view everything from the lens of a farmer. We’ve had far worse droughts years and years ago, we’ve had far worse winters, 1949 is a perfect example, a few years ago we had so much rain that we couldn’t get in the fields it was so plentiful. That’s the way it is. It goes in waves. It always has. Do I think we should all do our part to take care of the environment? Absolutely. I just think the majority of environmental activist never practice what they preach. For example did you fly to Europe? You’re well aware of how much emissions a jet releases right? Your business accounts fly all over the world all the time in private jets? What have you done about that?
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Aug 20, 2022 13:05:01 GMT -5
Well, the OP was that the California electrical grid was "compromised," which would be an inaccurate description. Anyway, if, say, 80% of drivers in California switched to EV's tomorrow, then yes, there could be issues with energy usage. Of course, that's not happening. In the meantime, California has and will continue to set billions aside to make improvements in the energy infrastructure in anticipation of a gradual transition to EV's over the next few decades. So you do agree though that infrastructure of the electric grid needs to be updated or beefed up so to speak. Because it’s stretched to the limit now. So why don’t we do that first and then you can promote the buying of electric cars etc. Wouldn’t that make more sense? California almost weekly brings new power sources online to match demand. They also hold off on decommissions based on demand. To say they don't consider EV demand is hog s*(t.
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Post by moody on Aug 20, 2022 13:05:20 GMT -5
Because both can be done at the same time, and the reality is that it will take years - a decade, at the very minimum IMO - for EV's to largely replace ICE engines. But upgrading the grid for electric vehicles isn't even the primary issue anymore. The most pressing need is to improve and harden our energy infrastructure against extreme weather events brought on by climate change. That's why there was a strain on California's power grid, and that's why people have been dying in places like Texas from extreme cold and/or extreme heat - the current energy infrastructure can't handle it, and it's not going to get any better anytime soon. Well, that’s your opinion. I view everything from the lens of a farmer. We’ve had far worse droughts years and years ago, we’ve had far worse winters, 1949 is a perfect example, a few years ago we had so much rain that we couldn’t get in the fields it was so plentiful. That’s the way it is. It goes in waves. It always has. Do I think we should all do our part to take care of the environment? Absolutely. I just think the majority of environmental activist never practice what they preach. For example did you fly to Europe? You’re well aware of how much emissions a jet releases right? Your business accounts fly all over the world all the time in private jets? What have you done about that? you confuse climate with weather.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Aug 20, 2022 13:06:38 GMT -5
I honestly think if we could see a real difference in the people that preach about this? Like all flying on private jets to the climate gathering? What in the hell? These people aren’t serious.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Aug 20, 2022 13:06:59 GMT -5
So you do agree though that infrastructure of the electric grid needs to be updated or beefed up so to speak. Because it’s stretched to the limit now. So why don’t we do that first and then you can promote the buying of electric cars etc. Wouldn’t that make more sense? California almost weekly brings new power sources online to match demand. They also hold off on decommissions based on demand. To say they don't consider EV demand is hog s*(t. Good for them, now can you find places for the homeless?
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 20, 2022 13:08:36 GMT -5
California almost weekly brings new power sources online to match demand. They also hold off on decommissions based on demand. To say they don't consider EV demand is hog s*(t. Good for them, now can you find places for the homeless? Yes, we can send them back to the Midwest where they came from. It's the downside of beautify weather we get all your discards with no means to pay for them.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Aug 20, 2022 13:09:38 GMT -5
Good for them, now can you find places for the homeless? Yes, we can send them back to the Midwest where they came from. It's the downside of beautify weather we get all your discards with no means to pay for them. The homeless are now from the Midwest? Do you have any actual proof of that? I will need to see that in writing. Maybe if you had more decent people in churches, they could help? But then again California really doesn’t have much of that. So good luck.
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