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Post by veebznerd on Aug 30, 2022 10:05:28 GMT -5
Ok folks...what is the current state of the double in college volleyball? I'm speaking specifically to a double on the second contact, when the ball stays on the same side of the net. They've always been a "judgement call" by the ref. Then we heard they were doing away with doubles as long as the ball didn't cross the net...but I'm still seeing them called. Does anyone know what NCAA refs are being told to call or not call when it comes to doubles? And does it vary by division?
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Post by ineedajob on Aug 30, 2022 10:19:32 GMT -5
The experimental rule did not make its way into the new rule book. Nothing has changed. There will be incredible inconsistency from match to match.
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Post by hipsterfilth on Aug 30, 2022 10:22:29 GMT -5
There was an experimental rule in the spring where no doubles were called. This was not brought into the Fall season.
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Post by mln59 on Aug 30, 2022 10:27:18 GMT -5
i would be okay with no doubles being called when the ball stays on the same side of the net. i think the inconsistency involved with calling doubles kinda ruins the spirit of the rule
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Post by karellen on Aug 30, 2022 10:57:30 GMT -5
I have no problem with doubles being called - even happy about it.
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Post by veebznerd on Aug 30, 2022 11:47:35 GMT -5
The experimental rule did not make its way into the new rule book. Nothing has changed. There will be incredible inconsistency from match to match. Thank you! I didn't realize it had been an "experimental" rule. Now it makes sense as to why they were avoided previously and are now being called again. I personally prefer doubles to be called...just hate the inconsistency with which it happens. |
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Post by fightingminime on Aug 30, 2022 11:52:13 GMT -5
i would be okay with no doubles being called when the ball stays on the same side of the net. i think the inconsistency involved with calling doubles kinda ruins the spirit of the rule Doubles should only be called if the ball goes over the net. If you double it on the second contact to your own side, then the only people who are affected are your own teammates. But if you double a second or third contact over the net ... it poses a disadvantage for the other team. In those instances, it should be called. |
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Post by Kingsley on Aug 30, 2022 11:56:26 GMT -5
I have no problem with doubles being called - even happy about it. I am definitely worried about how our volleyball society would break down if the "DOUBLE!!" screamers don't have occasional catharsis. |
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Post by brybast on Aug 30, 2022 11:59:45 GMT -5
I have no problem with doubles being called - even happy about it. I am definitely worried about how our volleyball society would break down if the "DOUBLE!!" screamers don't have occasional catharsis. The true armageddon. I also find it humorous how frequently I hear it said a double contact that goes over the net somehow places the opponent at a grave disadvantage -- meanwhile no one seems to have a problem with setters blatantly throwing the ball straight down to the floor on the so called "dump". I guess there's no advantage there! |
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Post by slxpress on Aug 30, 2022 12:00:10 GMT -5
I have no problem with doubles being called - even happy about it. I am definitely worried about how our volleyball society would break down if the "DOUBLE!!" screamers don't have occasional catharsis. You have a generous heart. Always thinking of others! |
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Post by veebznerd on Aug 30, 2022 12:18:22 GMT -5
I have no problem with doubles being called - even happy about it. I am definitely worried about how our volleyball society would break down if the "DOUBLE!!" screamers don't have occasional catharsis. Followed by "CALL IT BOTH WAYS!" I may or may not know this from experience, lol |
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Post by karellen on Aug 30, 2022 12:53:36 GMT -5
I have no problem with doubles being called - even happy about it. I am definitely worried about how our volleyball society would break down if the "DOUBLE!!" screamers don't have occasional catharsis. They will always have "POINT" when the scoreboard flipper/operator does not properly react before the ref is done blowing the whistle. They will always have "TOUCH" when the ball goes out of bounds while not passing within 6" of any body part of any player on the opposing team. They will always have "NET" -- see same parameters above. |
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Post by vbman100 on Aug 30, 2022 19:10:20 GMT -5
I am definitely worried about how our volleyball society would break down if the "DOUBLE!!" screamers don't have occasional catharsis. The true armageddon. meanwhile no one seems to have a problem with setters blatantly throwing the ball straight down to the floor on the so called "dump". I have been saying for nearly 20 years I don’t understand how that is not illegal. So I have a problem with it. |
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Post by staticb on Aug 30, 2022 20:17:02 GMT -5
The true armageddon. meanwhile no one seems to have a problem with setters blatantly throwing the ball straight down to the floor on the so called "dump". I have been saying for nearly 20 years I don’t understand how that is not illegal. So I have a problem with it. Because every single set when you break it down frame by frame is a double. At the college level women's, it's still called inconsistently, I don't know if most refs are capable of calling a tight consistent double. It's more consistent at the international level because they usually just let them play. |
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Post by brybast on Aug 30, 2022 21:02:50 GMT -5
I have been saying for nearly 20 years I don’t understand how that is not illegal. So I have a problem with it. Because every single set when you break it down frame by frame is a double. At the college level women's, it's still called inconsistently, I don't know if most refs are capable of calling a tight consistent double. It's more consistent at the international level because they usually just let them play. As a former official, one of the hard lessons I learned early on was that the tighter you try to call doubles, the harder it is to be consistent. Never mind the impossibility of maintaining consistency from one official to another. The other point I would add to your excellent post is that the understanding of players, coaches and fans as to what constitutes a double has been hopelessly conflated with the perception of spin. No matter how much it gets preached that a double shouldn't be called based on spin, it's proven to be a losing battle. |
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