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Post by gibbyb1 on Oct 3, 2022 15:53:20 GMT -5
It’s all of that but attackers definitely also under performed. Honestly I feel like the awful setting just got in their heads. They are top 5 level attackers, if they’re that fragile mentally, they’re in trouble. Setting was bad, they weren’t very good either |
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Post by gibbyb1 on Oct 3, 2022 15:54:28 GMT -5
imo it’s just mental right now, as a setter if there’s any hesitation or doubt the ball won’t come cleanly out of your hands no matter how technically sound you are Yea I think it’s absolutely a case of the “yips” right now. She’s not only battling with the thoughts about her knee but she’s trying to run an offense for a team with the biggest fan base in the country. Even a healthy athlete would have a hard time grinding through that. I’m hopeful she’ll get back to her former self, she seems like a fantastic young lady that you want to root for. Agree. |
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Post by volleyaudience on Oct 3, 2022 16:47:13 GMT -5
Did Orr have trouble with doubles in club/HS ball? 7 doubles is absolutely insane for a setter at any collegiate level, mind you someone like Orr who set for 6 years of varsity high school ball, and is the former #1 recruit in the country. And it's worth noting she's only setting half of the time! I've never seen someone with good hands and several years of experience struggle so much to set a clean ball. IMO I think the answer to that is very long and we lack a lot of inside information. |
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Post by rjaege on Oct 3, 2022 16:52:44 GMT -5
In his post game with the radio station Coach Cook said (I think I was busy with other things) that Orr was doubling on high balls because she is jumping into them, and she just needs to stay on her feet and wait for them. Does that make sense? I know nothing about setting technique. He said they practiced it a lot, but ...
Anyway it's a technique issue they are working on. Hopefully bear fruit in next few games.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Oct 3, 2022 18:16:37 GMT -5
In his post game with the radio station Coach Cook said (I think I was busy with other things) that Orr was doubling on high balls because she is jumping into them, and she just needs to stay on her feet and wait for them. Does that make sense? I know nothing about setting technique. He said they practiced it a lot, but ... Anyway it's a technique issue they are working on. Hopefully bear fruit in next few games. Well I’m not sure he clearly explained what the exact issue was, whether he just doesn’t want her to jump set those balls, or he’d like her to stay on the floor longer and not be descending as she takes the ball(common error) ideally setters should be jump setting every chance they can, but need to be taking the ball at the top of their jump. Obviously harder to time, a higher pass or dig. Either way, I still don’t believe it’s just a technical issue, although that could play a small role. Setters do not like the ball to be played really high, hard to get in a rhythm, and it makes them a little antsy/anxious. |
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Post by photos1 on Oct 3, 2022 18:58:30 GMT -5
In his post game with the radio station Coach Cook said (I think I was busy with other things) that Orr was doubling on high balls because she is jumping into them, and she just needs to stay on her feet and wait for them. Does that make sense? I know nothing about setting technique. He said they practiced it a lot, but ... Anyway it's a technique issue they are working on. Hopefully bear fruit in next few games. Cook’s post match comments said it all, didn’t they? Orr is giving up a couple points in every game and over the course of a match, a season, where so many matches are determined by deuce games, Cook knows in the long run this is gonna result in an early exit from the tournament. . . aka2011 They have been working on her same technical glitch, setting a high ball, since the day she got to Nebraska-she wants to make off balance jumps sets instead of keeping her feet on the ground. And she’s not changing-if the officials were consistent they could call double touches twice as much as they have. She doesn’t make legal sets much of the time. The only thing I thought of Sunday when she was on the court is what team she will be playing for in 2023-I don’t see this experiment lasting in Lincoln beyond the 2022 season or Hames returning. So far she only continues to play because of the huge reservoir of perceived potential she has had since she was in high school-and because Hames is apparently injured. And all of this without discussing her seeming lack of desire to set the middles and inability to make hitable sets. I don’t know if she would be better if Tyler was still here, but she’s not improving. This is a team with elite talent at 5 of the six spots in every rotation, and the weak link is the setter in all 6 rotations, and Orr’s 3 rotations are the weakest. Evans is not as physically gifted as Orr, but she generally sets the ball away from the block and tries to set the middles. Orr is turning Hord into a MB who is a skilled blocker without being much of an offensive threat. There are at least ten B1G teams who have had better setting than Nebraska this fall. We are getting by with great defense and highly skilled attackers. We’ll see how it goes from here, but Cook is not gonna sit still if we start to lose matches. And he sure won’t go into 2023 with this nonsense. It’s tragic to see the talent on this team being wasted by remedial setting. It’s tragic to see 2022 being sacrificed due to substandard setting. At least in 2023 help is on the way. |
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Post by rjaege on Oct 3, 2022 19:42:14 GMT -5
In his post game with the radio station Coach Cook said (I think I was busy with other things) that Orr was doubling on high balls because she is jumping into them, and she just needs to stay on her feet and wait for them. Does that make sense? I know nothing about setting technique. He said they practiced it a lot, but ... Anyway it's a technique issue they are working on. Hopefully bear fruit in next few games. Cook’s post match comments said it all, didn’t they? Orr is giving up a couple points in every game and over the course of a match, a season, where so many matches are determined by deuce games, Cook knows in the long run this is gonna result in an early exit from the tournament. . . aka2011 They have been working on her same technical glitch, setting a high ball, since the day she got to Nebraska-she wants to make off balance jumps sets instead of keeping her feet on the ground. And she’s not changing-if the officials were consistent they could call double touches twice as much as they have. She doesn’t make legal sets much of the time. The only thing I thought of Sunday when she was on the court is what team she will be playing for in 2023-I don’t see this experiment lasting in Lincoln beyond the 2022 season or Hames returning. So far she only continues to play because of the huge reservoir of perceived potential she has had since she was in high school-and because Hames is apparently injured. And all of this without discussing her seeming lack of desire to set the middles and inability to make hitable sets. I don’t know if she would be better if Tyler was still here, but she’s not improving. This is a team with elite talent at 5 of the six spots in every rotation, and the weak link is the setter in all 6 rotations, and Orr’s 3 rotations are the weakest. Evans is not as physically gifted as Orr, but she generally sets the ball away from the block and tries to set the middles. Orr is turning Hord into a MB who is a skilled blocker without being much of an offensive threat. There are at least ten B1G teams who have had better setting than Nebraska this fall. We are getting by with great defense and highly skilled attackers. We’ll see how it goes from here, but Cook is not gonna sit still if we start to lose matches. And he sure won’t go into 2023 with this nonsense. It’s tragic to see the talent on this team being wasted by remedial setting. It’s tragic to see 2022 being sacrificed due to substandard setting. At least in 2023 help is on the way. Mark you down as not optimistic, then? |
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Post by volleyball303 on Oct 3, 2022 21:29:30 GMT -5
In his post game with the radio station Coach Cook said (I think I was busy with other things) that Orr was doubling on high balls because she is jumping into them, and she just needs to stay on her feet and wait for them. Does that make sense? I know nothing about setting technique. He said they practiced it a lot, but ... Anyway it's a technique issue they are working on. Hopefully bear fruit in next few games. Cook’s post match comments said it all, didn’t they? Orr is giving up a couple points in every game and over the course of a match, a season, where so many matches are determined by deuce games, Cook knows in the long run this is gonna result in an early exit from the tournament. . . aka2011 They have been working on her same technical glitch, setting a high ball, since the day she got to Nebraska-she wants to make off balance jumps sets instead of keeping her feet on the ground. And she’s not changing-if the officials were consistent they could call double touches twice as much as they have. She doesn’t make legal sets much of the time. The only thing I thought of Sunday when she was on the court is what team she will be playing for in 2023-I don’t see this experiment lasting in Lincoln beyond the 2022 season or Hames returning. So far she only continues to play because of the huge reservoir of perceived potential she has had since she was in high school-and because Hames is apparently injured. And all of this without discussing her seeming lack of desire to set the middles and inability to make hitable sets. I don’t know if she would be better if Tyler was still here, but she’s not improving. This is a team with elite talent at 5 of the six spots in every rotation, and the weak link is the setter in all 6 rotations, and Orr’s 3 rotations are the weakest. Evans is not as physically gifted as Orr, but she generally sets the ball away from the block and tries to set the middles. Orr is turning Hord into a MB who is a skilled blocker without being much of an offensive threat. There are at least ten B1G teams who have had better setting than Nebraska this fall. We are getting by with great defense and highly skilled attackers. We’ll see how it goes from here, but Cook is not gonna sit still if we start to lose matches. And he sure won’t go into 2023 with this nonsense. It’s tragic to see the talent on this team being wasted by remedial setting. It’s tragic to see 2022 being sacrificed due to substandard setting. At least in 2023 help is on the way. What’s the deal with Hames? She is more that capable of setting this team if she is/can get healthy. |
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Post by gibbyb1 on Oct 3, 2022 22:01:09 GMT -5
Cook’s post match comments said it all, didn’t they? Orr is giving up a couple points in every game and over the course of a match, a season, where so many matches are determined by deuce games, Cook knows in the long run this is gonna result in an early exit from the tournament. . . aka2011 They have been working on her same technical glitch, setting a high ball, since the day she got to Nebraska-she wants to make off balance jumps sets instead of keeping her feet on the ground. And she’s not changing-if the officials were consistent they could call double touches twice as much as they have. She doesn’t make legal sets much of the time. The only thing I thought of Sunday when she was on the court is what team she will be playing for in 2023-I don’t see this experiment lasting in Lincoln beyond the 2022 season or Hames returning. So far she only continues to play because of the huge reservoir of perceived potential she has had since she was in high school-and because Hames is apparently injured. And all of this without discussing her seeming lack of desire to set the middles and inability to make hitable sets. I don’t know if she would be better if Tyler was still here, but she’s not improving. This is a team with elite talent at 5 of the six spots in every rotation, and the weak link is the setter in all 6 rotations, and Orr’s 3 rotations are the weakest. Evans is not as physically gifted as Orr, but she generally sets the ball away from the block and tries to set the middles. Orr is turning Hord into a MB who is a skilled blocker without being much of an offensive threat. There are at least ten B1G teams who have had better setting than Nebraska this fall. We are getting by with great defense and highly skilled attackers. We’ll see how it goes from here, but Cook is not gonna sit still if we start to lose matches. And he sure won’t go into 2023 with this nonsense. It’s tragic to see the talent on this team being wasted by remedial setting. It’s tragic to see 2022 being sacrificed due to substandard setting. At least in 2023 help is on the way. Mark you down as not optimistic, then? Ha! It’s a pretty dramatic post. Ukraine is tragic, the hurricane was tragic, orr is simply not playing well, And a gifted and experienced setter just happens to be injured. This team is 12 and one and still has a ton of room for improvement which they almost always do. Someone needs talked off the ledge. |
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Post by photos1 on Oct 4, 2022 0:32:15 GMT -5
Mark you down as not optimistic, then? Ha! It’s a pretty dramatic post. Ukraine is tragic, the hurricane was tragic, orr is simply not playing well, And a gifted and experienced setter just happens to be injured. This team is 12 and one and still has a ton of room for improvement which they almost always do. Someone needs talked off the ledge. idk, not really dramatic. Sad really. “Not playing well” is one thing, and it happens to everyone occasionally, but having to conclude someone is not capable of meeting a well formed expectation-well that’s deeper. That conclusion is now becoming more firm with each match. It’s as if the game is too fast at this level. I hope I am wrong and she comes out this week in Michigan and performs at high level…I’m just no longer assuming she is capable. It’s like getting a ring thinking it’s a real Diamond and then finding out it’s fake. . . We’ll see how it goes. . . 🏐 |
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Oct 4, 2022 0:38:36 GMT -5
Mark you down as not optimistic, then? Ha! It’s a pretty dramatic post... Someone needs talked off the ledge. Let him jump. |
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Oct 4, 2022 0:42:15 GMT -5
Did Orr have trouble with doubles in club/HS ball? 7 doubles is absolutely insane for a setter at any collegiate level, mind you someone like Orr who set for 6 years of varsity high school ball, and is the former #1 recruit in the country. And it's worth noting she's only setting half of the time! I've never seen someone with good hands and several years of experience struggle so much to set a clean ball. Rarely. Serving was inconsistent but doubles were never a problem. |
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