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Post by JT on Oct 7, 2022 13:01:15 GMT -5
Why is over the net call a thing when the setter is in the backrow? Wouldn't it be a back row attack on the setter if the hitter is able to touch the ball at the same time the setter does? Depends on who touches the ball first, and where the ball is relative to the net (has the ball started to cross the net, making it legal for both sides to touch it). If the overpass gets hit by the other team first, the setter’s contact becomes an illegal back row block attempt. If the setter touches the overpassed ball first, and then the other team’s player touches it, the setter is guilty of an illegal back row attack. If the ball hasn’t started crossing the net, then it’s an illegal over-the-net call on the enthusiastic defender.
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Post by JT on Oct 7, 2022 13:03:59 GMT -5
If you didn’t have this rule, the (L) would become the (S) instead of a special DS. but if the setter has to take first contact, then whoever takes the 2nd contact is the "setter" (or at least tries to be one). why does the libero get treated differently than the other players with respect to this particular rule? Because if it were allowed, clever coaches would pick their best setter, and call her the “libero.” For 5-1/2 rotations, you would have your best setter in the back row, and three hitters in the front row, and it wouldn’t cost you any substitutions. (Edit to add… for the 1/2 rotation where your setting libero is out, you put in your backup setter // serving specialist.)
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Oct 7, 2022 13:04:54 GMT -5
Why is a back row left side attack not a thing? A “10”, “Biq”, “Red” “D ball” etc to the middle of the court and the right side all seem to be a thing at various levels. Is the OH in the front just always a better option based on the way rotations are built? Or do you just have your best hitter go right after the serve to space them away form the OH and make the middle commit late? Someone smarter can probably answer this better, but I’ll take a crack. No matter the rotation, you’ll always have someone running a left side route in the front row. If your setter is upfront you won’t always have someone in the middle (run the pipe), and you won’t always have someone on the right side (run the D). Depending on what your middle does in those rotations. But you will always run into traffic so to speak if you were to set a backroads left attack. Also, that’s normally where your libero is lined up, so. There’s that also. Yep. Except when the middle serves. In which case, you know you know we want the Asjia O'Neal left back attack.
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Post by mln59 on Oct 7, 2022 13:06:18 GMT -5
but if the setter has to take first contact, then whoever takes the 2nd contact is the "setter" (or at least tries to be one). why does the libero get treated differently than the other players with respect to this particular rule? Because if it were allowed, clever coaches would pick their best setter, and call her the “libero.” For 5-1/2 rotations, you would have your best setter in the back row, and three hitters in the front row, and it wouldn’t cost you any substitutions. oooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh....this makes a ton of sense now.
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Oct 7, 2022 13:07:58 GMT -5
Why is over the net call a thing when the setter is in the backrow? Wouldn't it be a back row attack on the setter if the hitter is able to touch the ball at the same time the setter does? I don't think you're allowed to block a set, regardless of whether the setter is front or back row.
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Post by jayj79 on Oct 7, 2022 13:09:35 GMT -5
Why are you allowed only 8secs to serve from when the whistle is blown. It should be 20secs minimum dang it! I vehemently disagree. 8 seconds is plenty of time.
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Post by sevb on Oct 7, 2022 13:10:18 GMT -5
Youre def the parent that starts the email to your DDs college coach with “im not that parent” and ends it with “please dont tell susie i emailed you…” I’m 26 and gay but sick burn Neither of those things disqualify you from having a child or being “that” parent…9
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Post by hornshouse23 on Oct 7, 2022 13:10:44 GMT -5
Someone smarter can probably answer this better, but I’ll take a crack. No matter the rotation, you’ll always have someone running a left side route in the front row. If your setter is upfront you won’t always have someone in the middle (run the pipe), and you won’t always have someone on the right side (run the D). Depending on what your middle does in those rotations. But you will always run into traffic so to speak if you were to set a backroads left attack. Also, that’s normally where your libero is lined up, so. There’s that also. Yep. Except when the middle serves. In which case, you know you know we want the Asjia O'Neal left back attack. Oh you are right about that.
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Post by jayj79 on Oct 7, 2022 13:13:40 GMT -5
Tennis has or had the Hawkeye for in/out challenges Even GoPro has high frame rate capability Isn’t it dumb with all the tech available now at lower price points that we don’t have video replay that is faster? Talk about disturbing the flow…schnykees! Sadly it’s about the $. Nebraska wanted to buy the system used in Omaha for the VNL but since the other 13 B1G teams wouldn’t have the same, they would have had to reduce the frame rate and render it useless. So whatever the lowest team has… everyone is stuck with. I don't understand that logic. Conferences should be able to mandate a minimum requirement for their member schools, but I don't see why a school that wants to exceed that requirement shouldn't be able to. It doesn't give them any unfair advantage, since the visiting team's challenges at that venue would benefit from the same enhanced tech
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Post by jayj79 on Oct 7, 2022 13:15:56 GMT -5
should they ban float serves because they involve a "factor of randomness"? Also, if you're comparing serving rules between tennis and volleyball, should volleyball allow a "2nd serve" if there is a fault on the first serve? You’re too smart to be obtuse What part of analogy is hard to understand? What part of analogy ‘tennis fault’ did I not extend A float over the net potentially puts the ball in play A let that drops into the court doesn’t I’d be fine calling the net touching dribblers service errors if a replay is deemed ‘wrong’ If you listen to the crowd or watch the body language of the players you know this is a correctable irregularity that would make the game better Speaking of which let serves potentially puts the ball in play too, there is just a lower probability that the receiving players are able to react to it in time. if you're bringing in a tennis analogy, then use the full tennis serving rules: which involve allowing a second serving attempt if the first serve was a fault
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Post by eotexas5 on Oct 7, 2022 13:16:12 GMT -5
Why is over the net call a thing when the setter is in the backrow? Wouldn't it be a back row attack on the setter if the hitter is able to touch the ball at the same time the setter does? I don't think you're allowed to block a set, regardless of whether the setter is front or back row. unless the set cross the plane of the net, which would then make it an attack essentially
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Post by eotexas5 on Oct 7, 2022 13:17:25 GMT -5
I'm not sure if this is dumb or not but I wonder if women's NCAA volleyball will move to international rules, with both middles serving and limiting the amount of subs per set. Additionally, I wonder if it would benefit USA volleyball as a whole if we were to adopt the Mikasa ball that is widely used internationally. Thoughts?
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Post by ndodge on Oct 7, 2022 13:19:21 GMT -5
Why is over the net call a thing when the setter is in the backrow? Wouldn't it be a back row attack on the setter if the hitter is able to touch the ball at the same time the setter does? Depends on who touches the ball first, and where the ball is relative to the net (has the ball started to cross the net, making it legal for both sides to touch it). If the overpass gets hit by the other team first, the setter’s contact becomes an illegal back row block attempt. If the setter touches the overpassed ball first, and then the other team’s player touches it, the setter is guilty of an illegal back row attack. If the ball hasn’t started crossing the net, then it’s an illegal over-the-net call on the enthusiastic defender. So why do nearly all announcers call the first two a back row attack ?
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Post by widdledumpling on Oct 7, 2022 13:21:12 GMT -5
I'm not sure if this is dumb or not but I wonder if women's NCAA volleyball will move to international rules, with both middles serving and limiting the amount of subs per set. Additionally, I wonder if it would benefit USA volleyball as a whole if we were to adopt the Mikasa ball that is widely used internationally. Thoughts? I certainly wouldn’t like this. It would pretty severely limit how much shorter players (ds) could play and make the sport even more tall woman centric
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Post by JT on Oct 7, 2022 13:21:22 GMT -5
Depends on who touches the ball first, and where the ball is relative to the net (has the ball started to cross the net, making it legal for both sides to touch it). If the overpass gets hit by the other team first, the setter’s contact becomes an illegal back row block attempt. If the setter touches the overpassed ball first, and then the other team’s player touches it, the setter is guilty of an illegal back row attack. If the ball hasn’t started crossing the net, then it’s an illegal over-the-net call on the enthusiastic defender. So why do nearly all announcers call the first two a back row attack ? Because announcers are too stupid to ask stupid questions on VT, and get edumacated.
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