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Post by fightingminime on Jan 31, 2024 23:43:48 GMT -5
Before the libero rule, middles used to dig and pass. But the middles, liberos, and setters are the specialty positions, while the OHs (including Opposite) are more the generalist positions. So I think coaches want their middles concentrating on front-row play, making them the ideal spot to use the libero on when they would rotate to the back row. I guess this is a question for old timers: How often were middles hidden on serve receive in the old days of no libero? Were opposites hidden in the backrow instead of middles more commonly? Or was the front row OH not a primary passer? I passed the 3 rotations I was in the BR. Generally opposites, outsides, middles ... whichever ones were the back row players passed and we kept the FR players out of serve receive. But also ... if you were better you passed. Never hesitated to move people around and hide people based on the day.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 31, 2024 23:48:44 GMT -5
Before the libero rule, middles used to dig and pass. But the middles, liberos, and setters are the specialty positions, while the OHs (including Opposite) are more the generalist positions. So I think coaches want their middles concentrating on front-row play, making them the ideal spot to use the libero on when they would rotate to the back row. I guess this is a question for old timers: How often were middles hidden on serve receive in the old days of no libero? Were opposites hidden in the backrow instead of middles more commonly? Or was the front row OH not a primary passer? Middles were sometimes shielded, but were rarely hidden.
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Post by NebraskaVBfan93 on Feb 1, 2024 13:00:17 GMT -5
Question about statistics.
1. When an attacker hits a ball that is out but the blocker is called for a net violation, how does that impact their hitting percentage?
2. Changing the scenario; the hitter hit the ball in, but someone on the attacking team is in the net. Again, how is that handled statistically?
3. Dumb basketball question. When someone takes a shot and misses but is fouled, how does that impact their shooting percentage?
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Post by caz on Feb 1, 2024 13:50:16 GMT -5
Question about statistics. 1. When an attacker hits a ball that is out but the blocker is called for a net violation, how does that impact their hitting percentage? 2. Changing the scenario; the hitter hit the ball in, but someone on the attacking team is in the net. Again, how is that handled statistically? 3. Dumb basketball question. When someone takes a shot and misses but is fouled, how does that impact their shooting percentage? 1. Kill for the hitter 2. Attack error on player in the net. R2 is supposed to signal the uniform number of the violator. 3. No field goal attempt is credited/recorded in this situation.
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Post by staticb on Feb 1, 2024 13:56:16 GMT -5
I guess this is a question for old timers: How often were middles hidden on serve receive in the old days of no libero? Were opposites hidden in the backrow instead of middles more commonly? Or was the front row OH not a primary passer? Opposites weren't all tall and terminal like they are now--even at high levels. Oppos could often pass, and since they were no liberos they were always the backup setter. It was often a "jack of all trades" position or they stuck whoever was left-handed there. Middles passed and many of them were shorter because they had to pass.
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Post by sec.scoob on Feb 1, 2024 14:04:30 GMT -5
Question about statistics. 1. When an attacker hits a ball that is out but the blocker is called for a net violation, how does that impact their hitting percentage? 2. Changing the scenario; the hitter hit the ball in, but someone on the attacking team is in the net. Again, how is that handled statistically? 3. Dumb basketball question. When someone takes a shot and misses but is fouled, how does that impact their shooting percentage? 1. When an attacker hits a ball that is out but the blocker is called for a net violation, how does that impact their hitting percentage? - The point goes to the attacking team, and a kill is given to the attacking player. 2. Changing the scenario; the hitter hit the ball in, but someone on the attacking team is in the net. Again, how is that handled statistically? - This would not be a call, since the other players would not be "playing the ball." 3. Dumb basketball question. When someone takes a shot and misses but is fouled, how does that impact their shooting percentage? - No clue on this one.
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Post by NebraskaVBfan93 on Feb 1, 2024 14:15:05 GMT -5
Question about statistics. 1. When an attacker hits a ball that is out but the blocker is called for a net violation, how does that impact their hitting percentage? 2. Changing the scenario; the hitter hit the ball in, but someone on the attacking team is in the net. Again, how is that handled statistically? 3. Dumb basketball question. When someone takes a shot and misses but is fouled, how does that impact their shooting percentage? 1. Kill for the hitter 2. Attack error on player in the net. R2 is supposed to signal the uniform number of the violator. 3. No field goal attempt is credited/recorded in this situation. 2. Since the error is credited to whomever was in the net even if it wasn't the attacker, what does that do to the hitting stats for the hitter?
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Post by caz on Feb 1, 2024 16:34:22 GMT -5
1. Kill for the hitter 2. Attack error on player in the net. R2 is supposed to signal the uniform number of the violator. 3. No field goal attempt is credited/recorded in this situation. 2. Since the error is credited to whomever was in the net even if it wasn't the attacker, what does that do to the hitting stats for the hitter? Then the "hitter" didn't hit. Like the basketball question. It never happened. I don't think I've ever seen that one though. It always seems to be called on the hitter, in which case, attack error.
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 1, 2024 17:43:42 GMT -5
Most likely scenario for non-attacker to be in the net would be if the setter contacts the net while attempting the set.
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Post by joetrinsey on Feb 1, 2024 18:50:59 GMT -5
Most likely scenario for non-attacker to be in the net would be if the setter contacts the net while attempting the set. And this could be counted as an attacking error for the setter but it also might be counted as a reception error for the passer.
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Post by universal on Feb 1, 2024 20:09:54 GMT -5
Regarding 2. Changing the scenario; the hitter hit the ball in, but someone on the attacking team is in the net. Again, how is that handled statistically?
Scenario: "...the hitter hit the ball in." Ruling: The attack is not a KILL until the ball hits the floor; end of rally. (Same opponent TOUCH and unplayable ball.)
If a teammate is in the net BEFORE the ball hits the floor, there is NO kill. The play ended with the DURING THE ATTACK net fault.
If the net fault happens AFTER the attacked ball hits the floor, the play has already ENDED. The teammates can do whatever they want. Dead zone. There are no net faults, or any PLAYING faults when there is no ball in play.
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Post by needcoffee222 on Feb 7, 2024 8:12:10 GMT -5
Why do club change coaches each year for all the age groups? A coach who was coaching 13 year olds last year is coaching 18 year olds this year, for example. I would think that it would make more sense to specialize on one specific age group, but we're pretty new to volleyball so don't understand a lot of things at this point.
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Post by coahc21 on Feb 7, 2024 10:25:24 GMT -5
Why do club change coaches each year for all the age groups? A coach who was coaching 13 year olds last year is coaching 18 year olds this year, for example. I would think that it would make more sense to specialize on one specific age group, but we're pretty new to volleyball so don't understand a lot of things at this point. I don't think this is super common, at least from what I've seen....typically clubs will either keep a coach at a certain level and get new girls at that age each year, or a coach starts with a team, let's say 13s and moves up with the girls, so the girls get the same coach for 5 years. In some clubs, if, say an 18s coach leaves, then maybe one of the coaches that was with 13s wants that spot? Just like moving to different positions in any job..the more qualified or experienced get the spots they want and when a desired spot opens up, they hire from within and the newbie starts at the bottom.... no clue if that is the case here
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Post by coachdavid on Feb 7, 2024 10:48:12 GMT -5
Why do club change coaches each year for all the age groups? A coach who was coaching 13 year olds last year is coaching 18 year olds this year, for example. I would think that it would make more sense to specialize on one specific age group, but we're pretty new to volleyball so don't understand a lot of things at this point. When coaching HS I want a break from HS girls so I do 13s/14s. When not coaching HS I want the better speed so I do 16s/17s. It's weird, sometimes you need a break from one age group or another. The coach may have wanted a new challenge, 13s is more technique and fundamentals, 18s is more strategy and refinement.
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Post by jammaster on Feb 7, 2024 14:17:00 GMT -5
Why do club change coaches each year for all the age groups? A coach who was coaching 13 year olds last year is coaching 18 year olds this year, for example. I would think that it would make more sense to specialize on one specific age group, but we're pretty new to volleyball so don't understand a lot of things at this point. Also consider a few more factors: Every club doesn't have stand out teams at all age groups, and may only have a few really strong coaches. The coaches bounce around a bit to match with top teams as they form. Coaches have lives and tournament schedules may not align with their personal lives. Example, a coach who had been taking 18s wouldn't do it last year as kid was senior year for football and wanted to see his games. Parents can influence program director by saying "my kid won't play for that coach again". Sometimes for good reasons, sometimes for stupid reasons. Program director can lose the kid or change the coach. Trends come and go as well. A bit ago, there was a shift to top coaches getting touches earlier with the kids (13's ish). Not sure if this will hold up or if a wide spread trend, but in SoCal it was talked about a bit. Probably 100 additional factors in play, but there are plenty of reasons for it.
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