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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 31, 2024 8:08:56 GMT -5
Admittedly, these are somewhat topical, so when someone digs up this thread in 5 years, they’ll look at this and wonder what the H I am asking about. Why wait five years? I already wonder what the H you are asking about.
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Post by Fight On! on Jan 31, 2024 8:29:40 GMT -5
I read that CoEd volleyball is actually the most played type of volleyball among adults. Why is there not CoEd Volleyball in the Olympics? (Either Indoor or Beach) We have mixed-doubles in tennis, we had mixed events in swimming, cycling, triathlon, judo, etc. Shouldn't volleyball be a natural? I don't think there's a lot of appetite to see a female setter trying to block Leon. There are several ways to play coed and many do not involve a woman setter having to block the guys. In most coed indoor 6s league that have competitive divisions they use a rule that allows for a male to come up and block, but not hit, in the rotations with 2 women in the front row. When I played in a good coed 6s league in the early 2010s, we used this rule, and many former and some current D1 women were playing. This was in Oregon and I played with some of the Oregon-based BYU stars, like Amy Boswell and Tia Withers Welling. Where I live now, all of the former D1 women, like the Concordia St. Paul crew who won all those nattys and the former Gophers and Melville all play R4s primarily. A lot of them almost never play women's 6s anymore. There are various R4s formats and I see regional variation/preferences in the rules. Still, the women do block the men in the "power" format when men are allowed to attack from the back row, but in the "pure" format the men can only attack by putting a distinct upward trajectory on the ball. When I lived in the PNW, I do not recall seeing the "power" format used much.
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Post by Not Me on Jan 31, 2024 9:35:03 GMT -5
Why don't women's college volleyball players sit on their benches during games as they do in basketball and every other sport? It looks stupid to see them all standing there at the end of the bench, as countless empty bench seats are there, unused. Let them sit. They are not in the game. They can get up when they enter and sit when they come off the court. This has never made sense to me. They *can* sit. But they are allowed to stand at the end of the bench, ostensibly to stay warm, stretch, etc. Basketball players also often stand, as do football and baseball players, so not sure this is a great example. Basketball players can’t stand or else they would block the view of the 23 assistant coaches every team seems to have.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 31, 2024 11:34:11 GMT -5
I don't think there's a lot of appetite to see a female setter trying to block Leon. There are several ways to play coed and many do not involve a woman setter having to block the guys. In most coed indoor 6s league that have competitive divisions they use a rule that allows for a male to come up and block, but not hit, in the rotations with 2 women in the front row. When I played in a good coed 6s league in the early 2010s, we used this rule, and many former and some current D1 women were playing. This was in Oregon and I played with some of the Oregon-based BYU stars, like Amy Boswell and Tia Withers Welling. Where I live now, all of the former D1 women, like the Concordia St. Paul crew who won all those nattys and the former Gophers and Melville all play R4s primarily. A lot of them almost never play women's 6s anymore. There are various R4s formats and I see regional variation/preferences in the rules. Still, the women do block the men in the "power" format when men are allowed to attack from the back row, but in the "pure" format the men can only attack by putting a distinct upward trajectory on the ball. When I lived in the PNW, I do not recall seeing the "power" format used much. As with the situations you discussed, competitive co-ed usually involves high-end women athletes and good/great male rec players. It would be very different if you added elite male athletes with 100% preparation and effort. (Plus, you still only have 2 male blockers in the front row in your hypo, as you are describing it). Even reverse co-ed (men only hitting back row) kinda loses its nerfing qualities when you have men who can touch 11 feet + swinging out of the back row.
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Post by haterade on Jan 31, 2024 14:23:09 GMT -5
There are several ways to play coed and many do not involve a woman setter having to block the guys. In most coed indoor 6s league that have competitive divisions they use a rule that allows for a male to come up and block, but not hit, in the rotations with 2 women in the front row. When I played in a good coed 6s league in the early 2010s, we used this rule, and many former and some current D1 women were playing. This was in Oregon and I played with some of the Oregon-based BYU stars, like Amy Boswell and Tia Withers Welling. Where I live now, all of the former D1 women, like the Concordia St. Paul crew who won all those nattys and the former Gophers and Melville all play R4s primarily. A lot of them almost never play women's 6s anymore. There are various R4s formats and I see regional variation/preferences in the rules. Still, the women do block the men in the "power" format when men are allowed to attack from the back row, but in the "pure" format the men can only attack by putting a distinct upward trajectory on the ball. When I lived in the PNW, I do not recall seeing the "power" format used much. As with the situations you discussed, competitive co-ed usually involves high-end women athletes and good/great male rec players. It would be very different if you added elite male athletes with 100% preparation and effort. (Plus, you still only have 2 male blockers in the front row in your hypo, as you are describing it). Even reverse co-ed (men only hitting back row) kinda loses its nerfing qualities when you have men who can touch 11 feet + swinging out of the back row. I've played in several reverse tournaments where men are not allowed to attack. All we do is set, block and pass. Fully nerf'd might not be the most entertaining but I'd see this as the only way to make it work.
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Post by rainbowcard on Jan 31, 2024 15:11:00 GMT -5
Not sure how dumb this is but I can’t seem to find an answer, is it not allowed / why is it not allowed for one middle to play both rotations? Is it in the rule book that there must be a second middle come in. Idk why I’ve always wondered this 😂
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Post by volleysota on Jan 31, 2024 15:27:20 GMT -5
Not sure how dumb this is but I can’t seem to find an answer, is it not allowed / why is it not allowed for one middle to play both rotations? Is it in the rule book that there must be a second middle come in. Idk why I’ve always wondered this 😂 If you're asking about why one middle can't play MB1 and MB2 (Presumably because of the libero use at those positions in the back row)... The libero is not mandated by rule to only come in for middle hitters. I've coached and played on teams where the libero comes in for the outsides and the middles play 6 rotations. They can come in for any back row player your team chooses. They are basically "replacing" that player in the back row. So if MB1 starts in front, libero replaces MB2 in the back. Then when MB2's spot in the rotation moves to front row, MB1 moves to the back row. At that point, the libero can come in and replace the MB1 in the back row. The middle blocker isn't considered a "replacing" player, so you can't do with them in the front row like you can with liberos in the back... Thus why the middles don't get to wear the different colored shirt and the libero does.
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Post by luckydawg on Jan 31, 2024 16:00:15 GMT -5
Not sure how dumb this is but I can’t seem to find an answer, is it not allowed / why is it not allowed for one middle to play both rotations? Is it in the rule book that there must be a second middle come in. Idk why I’ve always wondered this 😂 Generally considered that middles don't have the necessary passing skills to play back row. But its not unusual to see a middle that serves well not rotate out until her serving run is over.
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Post by Del Bocavista on Jan 31, 2024 16:18:07 GMT -5
So for the new two libero rule, are the two allowed to replace each other as often as they want, changing between every point if they so choose, that kind of thing?
Would the replaced MB have to come back in for the first libero and then be replaced by the 2nd libero, or anything silly like that.
Do both liberos have to be named at the beginning of the set, or could you pick the 2nd libero midset from players who had not entered yet?
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Post by vbman100 on Jan 31, 2024 18:39:26 GMT -5
So for the new two libero rule, are the two allowed to replace each other as often as they want, changing between every point if they so choose, that kind of thing? Would the replaced MB have to come back in for the first libero and then be replaced by the 2nd libero, or anything silly like that. Do both liberos have to be named at the beginning of the set, or could you pick the 2nd libero midset from players who had not entered yet? If it is like USAV, Liberos can replace each other after every point. Both liberos would have to be listed on the lineup sheet that is submitted prior to each set.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 31, 2024 20:42:35 GMT -5
Not sure how dumb this is but I can’t seem to find an answer, is it not allowed / why is it not allowed for one middle to play both rotations? Is it in the rule book that there must be a second middle come in. Idk why I’ve always wondered this 😂 Generally considered that middles don't have the necessary passing skills to play back row. But its not unusual to see a middle that serves well not rotate out until her serving run is over. Before the libero rule, middles used to dig and pass. But the middles, liberos, and setters are the specialty positions, while the OHs (including Opposite) are more the generalist positions. So I think coaches want their middles concentrating on front-row play, making them the ideal spot to use the libero on when they would rotate to the back row.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 31, 2024 20:45:24 GMT -5
So for the new two libero rule, are the two allowed to replace each other as often as they want, changing between every point if they so choose, that kind of thing? Would the replaced MB have to come back in for the first libero and then be replaced by the 2nd libero, or anything silly like that. Do both liberos have to be named at the beginning of the set, or could you pick the 2nd libero midset from players who had not entered yet? If it is like USAV, Liberos can replace each other after every point. Both liberos would have to be listed on the lineup sheet that is submitted prior to each set. Naming them in advance before the start of the set is definitely one of the drawbacks, because that prevents you from then using that player as a DS, even if you realize mid-set that you need another DS to back up the libero.
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Post by staticb on Jan 31, 2024 21:25:18 GMT -5
Before the libero rule, middles used to dig and pass. But the middles, liberos, and setters are the specialty positions, while the OHs (including Opposite) are more the generalist positions. So I think coaches want their middles concentrating on front-row play, making them the ideal spot to use the libero on when they would rotate to the back row. What everyone says is absolutely correct. But to add, playing middle (especially at a high level) is freaking exhausting. You're pretty much jumping and moving at high speeds all the time. I've played on many teams where the Middles weren't the worst passers on the team. But the coach either wanted the middles to have a break (because its so tiring) or the middles wanted it themselves.
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Post by fightingminime on Jan 31, 2024 23:29:38 GMT -5
Generally considered that middles don't have the necessary passing skills to play back row. But its not unusual to see a middle that serves well not rotate out until her serving run is over. Before the libero rule, middles used to dig and pass. But the middles, liberos, and setters are the specialty positions, while the OHs (including Opposite) are more the generalist positions. So I think coaches want their middles concentrating on front-row play, making them the ideal spot to use the libero on when they would rotate to the back row. I was a middle that played all the way around. Libero came about while I was in college.
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Post by trojansc on Jan 31, 2024 23:32:38 GMT -5
Generally considered that middles don't have the necessary passing skills to play back row. But its not unusual to see a middle that serves well not rotate out until her serving run is over. Before the libero rule, middles used to dig and pass. But the middles, liberos, and setters are the specialty positions, while the OHs (including Opposite) are more the generalist positions. So I think coaches want their middles concentrating on front-row play, making them the ideal spot to use the libero on when they would rotate to the back row. I guess this is a question for old timers: How often were middles hidden on serve receive in the old days of no libero? Were opposites hidden in the backrow instead of middles more commonly? Or was the front row OH not a primary passer?
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