hard to find UCLA 2022 thread, WHEN will Sealy get fired???

[dunninla3]

that's right.  I'm here to comment on the fact that Mike Sealy has made UCLA women's volleyball so irrelevant that I could not find a thread on this board for this season dedicated to discussing the team, going back several pages.  Actually when I wrote this the thread was on page 9, and I only went back 8 pages.

Beginning in around mid season 2018 I was arguing for Sealy's dismissal.  People generally said I was being too hard on him, and should give him more time... after all he had had his players for only 6 seasons at that point.  And the assistants weren't his, he was given them.

Well, three more seasons have come and gone.  with his assistants.

Let's compare 3 time periods:  1) Sealy with Banachowski recruits, 2) Sealy with Sealy recruits, and 3) Banachowski with Banachowski recruits:

Here is how Sealy did with teams where a majority of the players were recruited by the prior coach Banachowski:

2010: Round of 32 (24th)
2011: National Champion (1)
2012: Round of 32 (24th)

Ave National Finish: 16.33
% Elite 8 or higher: 33%


**edit** updated to include 2022 Selection Show

The following are the 10 years where most of the starters were Sealy recruits:

2013: did not Qualify aka (64th)
2014: Sweet 16 (12th)
2015: Sweet 16 (12th)
2016: Elite 8  (6th)
2017: Sweet 16 (12th)
2018: did not Qualify aka (64th)
2019: round of 32 (24th)
2020: round of 32 (24th)
2021: round of 16 (12th)
2022: did not Qualify aka (64th)

Ave National Finish: 29.4
% Elite 8 or higher: 10%

By contrast, here are the last 10 seasons under prior coach Andy Banachowski:


2000: Elite 8 (6th)
2001: Elite 8 (6th)
2002: round of 32 (24th)
2003: Elite 8 (6th)
2004: Elite 8 (6th)
2005: Sweet 16 (12th)
2006: NCAA Semifinal (3rd)
2007: Elite 8 (6th)
2008: Sweet 16 (12th)
2009: round of 32 (24th)

Ave National Finish:  12.5
% Elite 8 or higher:   60%


So, here we have a program that over the 10 years prior to Sealy finished the season averaging nationally Top 13, and played in the Elite 8 60% of the time, and under Sealy, with Sealy recruits, did not average finish in the top 25, missed the NCAAs THREE (3) times, and has made the Elite 8 only once in 10 seasons

Recruits prior to Sealy could be shown legitimate Final Four results, and expect to reach the Elite 8 in most of their seasons at UCLA.  Now, recruits can not be reasonably assured they will even play in the NCAA tournament each year.

If anybody thinks this isn't a fireable record, please let me know why.  I'm open to input. 

In the meantime, I just cannot watch UCLA women's volleyball at all, it's just too painful to see what that man has done to the program.  The players deserve better.  The tradition of the program deserves better.

[bruinsgold]

volleytalk.proboards.com/thread/88326/ucla-2022

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Oct 10, 2022 21:47:54 GMT -5 bruinsgold said:

volleytalk.proboards.com/thread/88326/ucla-2022

i am in tears laughing rn

[brybast]

That one national championship was good for about 10-15 years of extra leeway. 

[dunninla3]

Oct 10, 2022 21:47:54 GMT -5 bruinsgold said:

volleytalk.proboards.com/thread/88326/ucla-2022

thanks, I didn't go back enough pages. I went 8 pages, and it was on page 9 ... but that in itself is the point, I think.  that the last post when I started this thread was eight days ago and was so far back I could not find it.   I will change that opening sentence and Title to reflect that.

[hornshouse23]

Points were certainly made.

[dunninla3]

Oct 10, 2022 21:57:46 GMT -5 brybast said:

That one national championship was good for about 10-15 years of extra leeway. 

and they weren't even mostly players he recruited, or developed.

[hornshouse23]

Oct 10, 2022 22:08:48 GMT -5 dunninla3 said:

Oct 10, 2022 21:57:46 GMT -5 brybast said:

That one national championship was good for about 10-15 years of extra leeway. 

and they weren't even mostly players he recruited, or developed.

*cough*Khat Bell’s knee injury*cough*

[dunninla3]

Oct 10, 2022 21:47:54 GMT -5 bruinsgold said:

volleytalk.proboards.com/thread/88326/ucla-2022

yeah, thanks, that Thread was on PAGE 9

[brybast]

Oct 10, 2022 22:08:48 GMT -5 dunninla3 said:

Oct 10, 2022 21:57:46 GMT -5 brybast said:

That one national championship was good for about 10-15 years of extra leeway. 

and they weren't even mostly players he recruited, or developed.

It's sort of like how the president gets the credit or blame for whatever good or bad stuff happens on his watch, regardless of whether his predecessor had more to do with it.

Kinda like how Reagan got to claim credit for freeing the hostages in Iran even though the captors really just held out that long out of deeply felt spite for Carter. (Fresh on my mind after watching the HBO documentary.)

[hornshouse23]

This thread is about to be surefire chaos. #following #mariekondoilovemess

[raian13]

You can search UCLA from the search bar DUH!

[ballvolley]

UCLA did not make the Final Four in 2009.

Oct 10, 2022 21:37:18 GMT -5 dunninla3 said:

that's right.  I'm here to comment on the fact that Mike Sealy has made UCLA women's volleyball so irrelevant that I could not find a thread on this board for this season dedicated to discussing the team, going back several pages.  Actually when I wrote this the thread was on page 9, and I only went back 8 pages.

Beginning in around mid season 2018 I was arguing for Sealy's dismissal.  People generally said I was being too hard on him, and should give him more time... after all he had had his players for only 6 seasons at that point.  And the assistants weren't his, he was given them.

Well, three more seasons have come and gone.  with his assistants.

Let's compare 3 time periods:  1) Sealy with Banachowski recruits, 2) Sealy with Sealy recruits, and 3) Banachowski with Banachowski recruits:

Here is how Sealy did with teams where a majority of the players were recruited by the prior coach Banachowski:

2010: Round of 32 (24th)
2011: National Champion (1)
2012: Round of 32 (24th)

Ave National Finish: 16.33
% Elite 8 or higher: 33%


The following are the years where most of the starters were Sealy recruits:

2013: did not Qualify aka (64th)
2014: Sweet 16 (12th)
2015: Sweet 16 (12th)
2016: Elite 8 (Sponcil setting) (6th)
2017: Sweet 16 (12th)
2018: did not Qualify aka (64th)
2019: round of 32 (24th)
2020: round of 32 (24th)
2021: round of 16 (12th)
2022: not sure if they will make the NCAAs.

Ave National Finish: 25.6
% Elite 8 or higher: 11%

By contrast, here are the last 10 seasons under prior coach Andy Banachowski:


2000: Elite 8 (6th)
2001: Elite 8 (6th)
2002: round of 32 (24th)
2003: Elite 8 (6th)
2004: Elite 8 (6th)
2005: Sweet 16 (12th)
2006: NCAA Semifinal (3rd)
2007: Elite 8 (6th)
2008: Sweet 16 (12th)
2009: NCAA Semifinal (3rd)

Ave National Finish:  9.6
% Elite 8 or higher:  70%


So, here we have a program that over the 10 years prior to Sealy finished the season averaging nationally Top 10, and played in the Elite 8 70% of the time, and under Sealy, with Sealy recruits, did not average finish in the top 25, and has made the Elite 8 only once in 9 seasons (thanks go out to Sarah Sponcil)

Recruits prior to Sealy could be shown legitimate Final Four results, and expect to reach the Elite 8 in most of their seasons at UCLA.  Now, recruits can not be reasonably assured they will even play in the NCAA tournament each year.

If anybody thinks this isn't a fireable record, please let me know why.  I'm open to input. 

In the meantime, I just cannot watch UCLA women's volleyball at all, it's just too painful to see what that man has done to the program.  The players deserve better.  The tradition of the program deserves better.

[babybacksets]

As someone who vouched for him and disparaged others for being incessant about his dismissal, but this season had a lot of promise, was returning great talent even with losing one of 2021's Top Offensive players. Now it just looks like poor management overall. The players I know on the team don't post about much and aren't showing the same excitement that they had before the season started.

Unfortunately, I just don't think this job can go to just anyone. It really has to be an attention drawing, revival hire or don't even bother. And until Karch decides to pull a Hugh and head an NCAA program, I don't know how many coaches out there will have the type of pull that is needed to get the program back to National relevance. Schools I follow with TONS less resources are right there with them competitively and with even more deflating things having happen to their programs.

I gave Sealy the benefit of the doubt, but now I just don't see how you take this guy another couple seasons to the head the program going into the top Volleyball conference in the country. if the season doesn't have a DRAMATIC uptick, I think this is as best of time as any to give him the boot.

[tomclen]