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Post by bruinsgold on Aug 16, 2023 12:12:19 GMT -5
I dont follow as closely as many of you so genuinely asking, have we ever seen cook, Larson, and jwo as the passing formation against top level competition? and how did it go? lots of people, including myself, are not excited about the idea but if all 3 are having 'good' passing days, I could see it possibly working Hmmm. I thought they did at same point, like VNL 2021, but it turns out the one match where Cook/Larson played together, Hill was the libero. In 2019, when we won in the VNL finals, Larson played sets 3-5 with Cook... but Courtney was the libero. The one Olympic match where Cook "played" was in set 3 against Russia. JWO and Larson had terrific passing matches (despite being swept) but Cook flatlined with her passing that set. I'm sure a better USAVB historian can find at least a couple of matches where the Nebraska Trio held down our passing line.
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Post by akinradeheaux on Aug 16, 2023 12:19:04 GMT -5
I dont follow as closely as many of you so genuinely asking, have we ever seen cook, Larson, and jwo as the passing formation against top level competition? and how did it go? lots of people, including myself, are not excited about the idea but if all 3 are having 'good' passing days, I could see it possibly working 2019 ? Here's the 2019 World Cup. Courtney was the SR libero, which means even better passing. This was also when Robinson was automatic on the pipe.
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Post by Wichsen on Aug 16, 2023 12:35:59 GMT -5
Kcook was noticeable when hill disappeared in 2019, she was starting together with larson. But mbh came and it was better because she is better overall compare to other 2, specially in offense.
Although it'll be norceca, but i hope they already have decision who are the starters and don't shuffle them lol.
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Post by donut on Aug 16, 2023 12:42:53 GMT -5
I mean, Cook-Larson-JWO isn't really that different from MBH-Larson-JWO in Tokyo. MBH wasn't starting in Tokyo for her offense (she hit sub .200).
The drop off in passing to Lanier/Skinner/Frantti isn't as big as the drop off in offense to Larson/KRob (although I'd put an * next to Larson) which is why the "3 great passers" strategy doesn't make sense to me. Not because the "3 great passers" strategy is in itself a dead-end.
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Post by basil on Aug 16, 2023 13:54:00 GMT -5
I think 2019 we were starting Krob-Larson at World Cup but that ended when we got flattened by China
if I remember correctly
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Post by donut on Aug 16, 2023 14:10:30 GMT -5
I think 2019 we were starting Krob-Larson at World Cup but that ended when we got flattened by China if I remember correctly Looks like we started with Larson-KRob-Courtney, ended with Larson-MBH-JWO
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Post by Reach on Aug 16, 2023 14:13:23 GMT -5
I mean, Cook-Larson-JWO isn't really that different from MBH-Larson-JWO in Tokyo. MBH wasn't starting in Tokyo for her offense (she hit sub .200). The drop off in passing to Lanier/Skinner/Frantti isn't as big as the drop off in offense to Larson/KRob (although I'd put an * next to Larson) which is why the "3 great passers" strategy doesn't make sense to me. Not because the "3 great passers" strategy is in itself a dead-end. Correct, however MBH came up big at crucial points in big matches in a way that Kelsey has never. Against Serbia and Brazil specifically.
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Post by baneb103 on Aug 16, 2023 14:15:09 GMT -5
for those who watched or have volley metrics, how did fleck do at pan ams? how close/far is she from hentz? right now, Hentz is pretty obviously better by eye test Fleck passed a 2.29 to Hentz's 2.36 against better competition (Fleck has a higher GP% but gets aced more). I don't know how much to trust the "dig percentage" stat but Zoe dug like 87% of the balls she touched? while Hentz was around 72%. I don't really trust that dig stat though idk of course, there is also the massive gulf in experience and sheer playtime at international level I think Morgan is safely ahead of Zoe. Zoe had more serve receive errors than anyone on the team(12) really unheard of for a libero. JWO only had 7 errors the entire VNL and that was against much better competition (Morgan only had 1 the entire VNL season). A liberos ability to pass with few to no errors is a MUST skill. Also not a fan of the dig stat but Morgan’s percentage may be a little lower because she appears to attempt to play a lot more territory than Zoe. In my opinion, JWO and Hentz are secure in their positions.
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Post by jwvolley on Aug 16, 2023 14:19:24 GMT -5
right now, Hentz is pretty obviously better by eye test Fleck passed a 2.29 to Hentz's 2.36 against better competition (Fleck has a higher GP% but gets aced more). I don't know how much to trust the "dig percentage" stat but Zoe dug like 87% of the balls she touched? while Hentz was around 72%. I don't really trust that dig stat though idk of course, there is also the massive gulf in experience and sheer playtime at international level I think Morgan is safely ahead of Zoe. Zoe had more serving errors than anyone on the team(12) really unheard of for a libero. JWO only had 7 errors the entire VNL and that was against much better competition (Morgan only had 1 the entire VNL season). A liberos ability to pass with few to no errors is a MUST skill. Also not a fan of the dig stat but Morgan’s percentage may be a little lower because she appears to attempt to play a lot more territory than Zoe. In my opinion, JWO and Hentz are secure in their positions. I was so confused for a second reading the first couple of sentences before realizing you meant reception errors, not serving errors lol.
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Post by baneb103 on Aug 16, 2023 14:31:28 GMT -5
I think Morgan is safely ahead of Zoe. Zoe had more serve receive errors than anyone on the team(12) really unheard of for a libero. JWO only had 7 errors the entire VNL and that was against much better competition (Morgan only had 1 the entire VNL season). A liberos ability to pass with few to no errors is a MUST skill. Also not a fan of the dig stat but Morgan’s percentage may be a little lower because she appears to attempt to play a lot more territory than Zoe. In my opinion, JWO and Hentz are secure in their positions. I was so confused for a second reading the first couple of sentences before realizing you meant reception errors, not serving errors lol. You’re totally right-sorry about that. Definitely meant reception! Fixed it!
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Post by donut on Aug 16, 2023 14:39:13 GMT -5
I mean, Cook-Larson-JWO isn't really that different from MBH-Larson-JWO in Tokyo. MBH wasn't starting in Tokyo for her offense (she hit sub .200). The drop off in passing to Lanier/Skinner/Frantti isn't as big as the drop off in offense to Larson/KRob (although I'd put an * next to Larson) which is why the "3 great passers" strategy doesn't make sense to me. Not because the "3 great passers" strategy is in itself a dead-end. Correct, however MBH came up big at crucial points in big matches in a way that Kelsey has never. Against Serbia and Brazil specifically. Against Serbia? She hit .040.
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Post by memorybankrupt on Aug 16, 2023 14:52:00 GMT -5
I mean, Cook-Larson-JWO isn't really that different from MBH-Larson-JWO in Tokyo. MBH wasn't starting in Tokyo for her offense (she hit sub .200). The drop off in passing to Lanier/Skinner/Frantti isn't as big as the drop off in offense to Larson/KRob (although I'd put an * next to Larson) which is why the "3 great passers" strategy doesn't make sense to me. Not because the "3 great passers" strategy is in itself a dead-end. Correct, however MBH came up big at crucial points in big matches in a way that Kelsey has never. Against Serbia and Brazil specifically. I agree. I think people underrate MBH's contributions in Tokyo. She was an offensive threat that opposing blockers/defenders needed to take seriously. Perhaps MBH's presence opened up the right side attack moreso.
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Post by barnacle on Aug 16, 2023 16:31:33 GMT -5
Hmm Larson and KCook. This is the OH2 offense Karch was flirting with in last quad's Olympic qualifier. I don't blame him. Our passing and overall offense has been a mess. The whole identity of Team USA from last quad was superior serving, superior passing, fast offense. This quad our opponents are outserving us. Our passing is horrendous such that we can't run a credible offense. The team needs to regain their mojo. That's cool. I blame him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2023 16:56:46 GMT -5
Butler getting the most stuff blocks doesn’t mean she was the best blocker, there’s a reason she was left off the finals roster To me out of the following Washington is last and I put Dana before Washington based on VNL and being a game changer...she went hard...Washington isn't a factor IMO 1)Chiaka 2) O'neal 3) Butler 4) Dana 5) Washington You are kidding yourself if you think Chi and Haleigh aren't going to be the starters. Dana and Brionne are too damn slow to the pins and EVERY other NT coach knows it. I think they are the future but not until after Paris. I'm pretty shocked Hall isn't in the mix. I thought she was in the gym at least.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2023 16:57:43 GMT -5
So we got:
Carlini, Hancock Thompson, Drews Larson, Cook, Frantti, Lanier Ogbogu, Washington, Rettke, Butler JWO, Hentz
I ain't mad at it.
That's probably the best roster Karch can produce this summer.
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