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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2023 17:02:53 GMT -5
I'm calling it now, Larson has been the spark this team has needed since 2021. It would be even more sweet if Foluke were still around.
I'm hoping this team can qualify at the IOQT. I'll be happy even if they get 2nd in the pool. The team's morale needs a boost.
Italy and Poland have both leveled up since the VNL with the additions of Antropova, Egonu, Lubian, Orro, Pietrini and Cate for Italy and Wolosz for Poland.
I'd like to think that this USA roster can at least beat Poland but we simply cannot play the way we did in the VNL finals.
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Post by donut on Aug 16, 2023 17:19:53 GMT -5
Correct, however MBH came up big at crucial points in big matches in a way that Kelsey has never. Against Serbia and Brazil specifically. I agree. I think people underrate MBH's contributions in Tokyo. She was an offensive threat that opposing blockers/defenders needed to take seriously. Perhaps MBH's presence opened up the right side attack moreso. I don't think anyone is underrating her contributions in Tokyo. They just weren't mostly on offense. I don't think her presence opened up the rightsize attack more, her passing did. Given the passing USA had, if her offense wasn't on the decline, she would have hit much higher than like .180 (I forget the exact number).
I think people should go back and watch MBH in Tokyo. For 90% of her career, she was on the court because of her terminal hitting (what an arm!). Tokyo was when her offense was declining, and MBH being the incredible volleyball player she is, really stepped up her passing in 2019-2020, so much so, she was a starting OH for USA at the Olympics largely because of her passing.
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Post by widdledumpling on Aug 16, 2023 17:24:19 GMT -5
To me out of the following Washington is last and I put Dana before Washington based on VNL and being a game changer...she went hard...Washington isn't a factor IMO 1)Chiaka 2) O'neal 3) Butler 4) Dana 5) Washington You are kidding yourself if you think Chi and Haleigh aren't going to be the starters. Dana and Brionne are too damn slow to the pins and EVERY other NT coach knows it. I think they are the future but not until after Paris. I'm pretty shocked Hall isn't in the mix. I thought she was in the gym at least. I think Dana did a great job off the bench, which is super hard to do. I wonder if she’ll be in a relief role mainly for her USA career
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Post by widdledumpling on Aug 16, 2023 17:26:09 GMT -5
You are kidding yourself if you think Chi and Haleigh aren't going to be the starters. Dana and Brionne are too damn slow to the pins and EVERY other NT coach knows it. I think they are the future but not until after Paris. I'm pretty shocked Hall isn't in the mix. I thought she was in the gym at least. I think Dana did a great job off the bench, which is super hard to do. I wonder if she’ll be in a relief role mainly for her USA career Also, is there a reason she’s not being considered to train at Opp? She’s got Ebrar-tier length
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2023 17:26:44 GMT -5
You are kidding yourself if you think Chi and Haleigh aren't going to be the starters. Dana and Brionne are too damn slow to the pins and EVERY other NT coach knows it. I think they are the future but not until after Paris. I'm pretty shocked Hall isn't in the mix. I thought she was in the gym at least. I think Dana did a great job off the bench, which is super hard to do. I wonder if she’ll be in a relief role mainly for her USA career Once she starts getting closer to closing the block and really asserting herself as a shut down blocker on this level, she will become a starter. Her offense is probably what is getting her on rosters and why Karch continues to invest in her development. Plummer on the other hand is probably on the outside looking in now that Lanier is in the picture. Her passing has to improve drastically this next year or she probably is looking at being an Olympic alternate two games in a row.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2023 17:28:33 GMT -5
I think Dana did a great job off the bench, which is super hard to do. I wonder if she’ll be in a relief role mainly for her USA career Also, is there a reason she’s not being considered to train at Opp? She’s got Ebrar-tier length I'm here for it tbh but I doubt it will happen. I could see Plummer taking on that role but that probably is just as likely as Dana moving to Opposite.
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Post by memorybankrupt on Aug 16, 2023 17:47:02 GMT -5
I agree. I think people underrate MBH's contributions in Tokyo. She was an offensive threat that opposing blockers/defenders needed to take seriously. Perhaps MBH's presence opened up the right side attack moreso. I don't think anyone is underrating her contributions in Tokyo. They just weren't mostly on offense. I don't think her presence opened up the rightsize attack more, her passing did. Given the passing USA had, if her offense wasn't on the decline, she would have hit much higher than like .180 (I forget the exact number).
I think people should go back and watch MBH in Tokyo. For 90% of her career, she was on the court because of her terminal hitting (what an arm!). Tokyo was when her offense was declining, and MBH being the incredible volleyball player she is, really stepped up her passing in 2019-2020, so much so, she was a starting OH for USA at the Olympics largely because of her passing. I'm mostly in agreement but I'm saying MBH was a bigger threat than Robinson. I don't think opposing blockers would or should have given Robinson the same attention.
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Post by memorybankrupt on Aug 16, 2023 17:54:08 GMT -5
To me out of the following Washington is last and I put Dana before Washington based on VNL and being a game changer...she went hard...Washington isn't a factor IMO 1)Chiaka 2) O'neal 3) Butler 4) Dana 5) Washington You are kidding yourself if you think Chi and Haleigh aren't going to be the starters. Dana and Brionne are too damn slow to the pins and EVERY other NT coach knows it. I think they are the future but not until after Paris. I'm pretty shocked Hall isn't in the mix. I thought she was in the gym at least. I'm also a bit surprised Hall isn't more of a factor. Albeit she had a miserable VNL. She had a pretty good pro season. She's decent at closing the block. Runs the fastest slide on the team. Has a really quick snap. I hope she can work her way up. Rettke is just so slow to close blocks. Late at reading. Doesn't press over the net well. Very slow arm. Not much of a wrist snap. Very different from her tall counterparts for China and Poland.
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Post by volleyballwriter on Aug 16, 2023 18:36:51 GMT -5
To me out of the following Washington is last and I put Dana before Washington based on VNL and being a game changer...she went hard...Washington isn't a factor IMO 1)Chiaka 2) O'neal 3) Butler 4) Dana 5) Washington You are kidding yourself if you think Chi and Haleigh aren't going to be the starters. Dana and Brionne are too damn slow to the pins and EVERY other NT coach knows it. I think they are the future but not until after Paris. I'm pretty shocked Hall isn't in the mix. I thought she was in the gym at least. Washington has been on the decline, she started the VNL well and then went down...her spot is not guaranteed IMO
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Post by akinradeheaux on Aug 16, 2023 23:17:50 GMT -5
Italy and Poland have both leveled up since the VNL with the additions of Antropova, Egonu, Lubian, Orro, Pietrini and Cate for Italy and Wolosz for Poland. Bosetti isn't on this CEV squad, Pietrini isn't looking great (from our sample size of one match), and I'm not sure Orro is much of an upgrade from Bosio (who looked decent at this VNL). But point still stands, Italy and especially Poland with Wolosz are stronger.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2023 23:42:14 GMT -5
So we got: Carlini, Hancock Thompson, Drews Larson, Cook, Frantti, Lanier Ogbogu, Washington, Rettke, Butler JWO, Hentz I ain't mad at it. That's probably the best roster Karch can produce this summer. I don't know how, but we better see Skinner added to this roster. She is too valuable, even coming off the bench. Larson and Cook should never start together, like ever!!
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Post by Fe Gaslay on Aug 17, 2023 1:25:28 GMT -5
Italy and Poland have both leveled up since the VNL with the additions of Antropova, Egonu, Lubian, Orro, Pietrini and Cate for Italy and Wolosz for Poland. Bosetti isn't on this CEV squad, Pietrini isn't looking great (from our sample size of one match), and I'm not sure Orro is much of an upgrade from Bosio (who looked decent at this VNL). But point still stands, Italy and especially Poland with Wolosz are stronger. I just got mad all over again at Bosetti being cut from the Euros roster… like who does that
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Post by Reach on Aug 17, 2023 6:44:35 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is underrating her contributions in Tokyo. They just weren't mostly on offense. I don't think her presence opened up the rightsize attack more, her passing did. Given the passing USA had, if her offense wasn't on the decline, she would have hit much higher than like .180 (I forget the exact number).
I think people should go back and watch MBH in Tokyo. For 90% of her career, she was on the court because of her terminal hitting (what an arm!). Tokyo was when her offense was declining, and MBH being the incredible volleyball player she is, really stepped up her passing in 2019-2020, so much so, she was a starting OH for USA at the Olympics largely because of her passing. I'm mostly in agreement but I'm saying MBH was a bigger threat than Robinson. I don't think opposing blockers would or should have given Robinson the same attention. Well one wasn’t really an option since she was injured on arrival.
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Post by bruinsgold on Aug 17, 2023 7:02:42 GMT -5
I'm mostly in agreement but I'm saying MBH was a bigger threat than Robinson. I don't think opposing blockers would or should have given Robinson the same attention. Well one wasn’t really an option since she was injured on arrival.
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Post by Reach on Aug 21, 2023 13:35:43 GMT -5
Bump
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